If you are going to write about such a serious subject, could you at least write intelligibly?
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This does not answer my question at all. I do not understand what your post is suggesting this xenophobia caused.
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This is a zoo forum, not a politics/foreign relations forum. I understand that to a certain extent anything with pandas is related to politics, it'd be really nice if we tried to keep this site politics-free.
I also think that it is important to note that there is a big difference between xenophobia/racism and criticism of the actions of a government. There are legitimate ways to criticize the government of China (and the governments of just about every other country too- including the US), but these criticisms don't equate to criticisms of the people of that country. Xenophobia, racism, and other forms of hate are wrong- but I don't think most criticisms of China's panda politics programs are inherently xenophobic.
I agree with all of this, but I want to add the posts should always be comprehensible. I suspect the conversation would not have turned political if the post were not so confusing.
This may be referring to a typo in my post in which I said "his" when I intended "this", my bad.
While their messaging is usually misleading, Zoochatters might actually agree with them here - the leadership at SF Zoo needs to go.
Animal activists ramp up pressure on SF Zoo amid ongoing investigation Animal activists ramp up pressure on SF Zoo amid ongoing investigation | KRON4
Animal activists ramp up pressure on SF Zoo amid ongoing investigation Animal activists ramp up pressure on SF Zoo amid ongoing investigation | KRON4
The Zoo's leadership isn't the only leadership that needs to go. It was the mayors reckless idea to get Pandas; and she did so without thoroughly investigating whether or not the Zoo is up to the task of having them. She also had the braindead idea of turning a downtown San Francisco mall into a Soccer Stadium (San Francisco had a professional Soccer team for 1 season a few years ago before the team collapsed due to lack of game attendance).
I hope the zoo raises the money, but the Chinese government decides the Zoo isn't the right fit. The Zoo can then spend the money on badly needed exhibit updates for the species it already has.
San Francisco recently received five (2.3) young Yellow-naped Amazon Parrots that were confiscated by U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service after being illegally trafficked. They are currently being cared for in their quarantine facility and some of the birds will be moved to other accredited zoos - reported on their FB page.
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Based on the photos, they are another batch of yellow-crowned Amazons.
Yellow-naped Amazon chicks are stockier and chunky when compared to young yellow-crowns. Yellow-naped chicks have darker eyes and beaks.
I've been around and handled enough yellow-naped babies to know the difference.
While they correctly state Yellow-naped Amazons are "Critically Endangered" in the wild, they are NOT a South American species. They are native from tropical Mexico (Chiapas) south to northwestern Costa Rica with subspecies native to northeastern Honduras and Nicaragua and the nearby Bay Islands.
Yellow-crowns are native to both Central (Panama) and South America.
From my last visit to the San Francisco Zoo, I'm speculating that last batch of yellow-crowns were the xantholaema subspecies (the Marajó Amazon) because of the large amount of yellow not only on the crown but it also extended to the face.
UPDATE: I consulted with the premier parrot aviculturist to check if I ID'd them correctly (I wanted to cover my bases and not just go off my own experience) and he stated that I did. I'll contact the zoo tomorrow to point this out to them.
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Zoo-Lover-1-2-3
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Hi I’m planning on going to the San Fran Zoo soon and I probably go once a year and I was wondering where exactly would the giant panda exhibit go if everything worked out for Mayor Breeds plan? Also does anyone know when the Madagascar section of the zoo is supposed to be completed? I know it’s been delayed multiple times.
The temporary exhibit until a new exhibit would be built would most likely be the big cat grotto next to the lions that was supposed to be for the jaguar.
My best guess is that the new panda exhibit would be built in the section of the zoo east of the big cat house which used to house hoofstock.
The Madagascar project has been downscaled several times because of underfunding and the zoos general ineptitude on following through on its plans. Its current scaled back plans are pretty humble, and I actually think it'll be finished before the end of the year.
But just a reality check. The reality is is that the Pandas are very unlikely to come. The Mayors delusional idea of bringing in Pandas is unlikely to materialize due to the zoos general disfunction lack of funding and its bad/peculiar record of human/animal safety. The idea of bringing Pandas to the zoo was based on her idea that it would bring back tourists to the city as well as an attempt to pander to the 25% of San Franciscans who are Chinese American, thinking it will help her win them over as she seeks a tough reelection bid.
Zoo-Lover-1-2-3
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I agree. The zoo is definitely not capable of safely or humanely caring for Giant Pandas. They can’t even give decent care or exhibits to their current collection!
Female red panda arrives:
Red panda ‘Mebo’ arrives at San Francisco Zoo
Little Mebo joined the zoo’s male red panda, “Tenzing,” and an older female, “Hunter,” at the Red Panda Treehouse located at the Zoo’s Youth Exploration Zone.
Red panda ‘Mebo’ arrives at San Francisco Zoo
Little Mebo joined the zoo’s male red panda, “Tenzing,” and an older female, “Hunter,” at the Red Panda Treehouse located at the Zoo’s Youth Exploration Zone.
BearBoy
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Just catching up on this thread. Sharing the latest article -- The worst-run city zoo in America in the SF Standard. Seems like most on this thread would agree it's time for managment change at SF Zoo?
You could have mentioned that you are the author of the article...
Also, judging from several online pieces, you are clearly not a fan of zoos. That being said, San Francisco Zoo has been so poorly run for such a lengthy period of time that I applaud your efforts to affect change. It's a facility that has squandered its potential and it's been aggravating to see the decline.
Zoo-Lover-1-2-3
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You could have mentioned that you are the author of the article...
Also, judging from several online pieces, you are clearly not a fan of zoos. That being said, San Francisco Zoo has been so poorly run for such a lengthy period of time that I applaud your efforts to affect change. It's a facility that has squandered its potential and it's been aggravating to see the decline.
I agree. I don’t say that many zoos need a change in leadership but the San Francisco zoo desperately does. They need to figure out a way to get rid of Tanya Peterson. She’s worsening the zoo more then making it better!
It would have been fair to mention you are the Author for the news feature in the SF Standard. As a piece of journalism it is both healthily informative as well as it takes an in-depth look at all the issues surrounding the SF Zoo and its Society and management.
Having said that ... I assume not many SF and central Californian zoo and wildlife enthousiasts would disagree with your spot on going for the neck collar approach and naming all of the issues surrounding the mismanagement, nepotism and divide et impere reign at the top of the SF Zoo and disservicing the animals, keeper and other zoo staff (both past and present), the general visiting public and the tax paying citizens of the SF municipal area and its surrounding counties.
I applaud your drive, positive attitude and expert handling of this highly politicised subject and hope this and other actions or media outlets use in a similar vein will actually promote the much needed change the SF Zoo has been clamoring out for since the fateful events of 2008!
BTW: I would say senior management starting with Ms. Tanya Petterson along with the senior directors on the Zoo Board are primarily a self congratulatory mob maffia that needs putting them as far away from any power base nor fit to run the Zoological Society or its Zoo Presidency.
I would further favour and advocate that given all the infringements relating to animal welfare and management and treatment of staff present and former, all the cover ups and sweeping under the carpet by Director and senior management and Board, the clear intimidation of present and former staff and absolute abuse of power by Director c.s. .... that they preferably all be prosecuted in Law for the mismanagement, deriliction of duty, incompetence, general cover up of all the issues you mentioned and the subterfuge over the Zoo's running since 2008 and the financial as well as zoo business mismanagement having befallen the place.
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The management is tone deaf to a lot of the issues the zoo currently has.
So many exhibits are empty or under utilized- this is something that I hear whenever people I know visit the zoo. Where are all the animals? Monkeys? The Zoo has normalized empty animal exhibits as a regular feature of the Zoo.
The Australian Walkabout exhibit is a great example. It used to be home to well over a dozen macropods (Red Kangaroos, Grey Kangaroos, Bennetts Wallabies and Wallaroos. Now it's home (to just 4?) Wallaroos and an Emu. The emu is easy to find, but you're lucky if you get to see even one of the wallaroos.
The Patas Monkey yard. It's one of the best older enclosures the zoo has- It's large, well planted and has many good viewing areas. For a while it was home to a single bald Eagle that never moved, then briefly a grey fox which you could never find. now it sits empty. Why not fill it with a new monkey species?
The River Otter Exhibit. Also not a bad exhibit (a bit small maybe). Right now it's home to a a couple of pond turtles that are nearly impossible to find. The Zoo has multiple other areas to see Turtles. Why not bring in new Otters? Otters are usually crowd-pleaser.
Puente Exhibit and South America Rainforest building... South America is home to an incredible variety of charismatic animal species. The Puente exhibit has just 5- 1 Braids Tapir, 1 Black necked Swan, 2 Spotted Owls, 1 Andean Condor and 1 Giant Anteater. Why not bring in/back Rhea, Capybara or Mara into the Puente yard?
Also, the Rainforest buildings Anaconda passed away almost half a year. Maybe get a new one or a Caiman? Maybe a South American Monkey species could go somewhere. The Zoo used to have 4 south American monkey species, including 2 species of Tamarins.
So many exhibits are empty or under utilized- this is something that I hear whenever people I know visit the zoo. Where are all the animals? Monkeys? The Zoo has normalized empty animal exhibits as a regular feature of the Zoo.
The Australian Walkabout exhibit is a great example. It used to be home to well over a dozen macropods (Red Kangaroos, Grey Kangaroos, Bennetts Wallabies and Wallaroos. Now it's home (to just 4?) Wallaroos and an Emu. The emu is easy to find, but you're lucky if you get to see even one of the wallaroos.
The Patas Monkey yard. It's one of the best older enclosures the zoo has- It's large, well planted and has many good viewing areas. For a while it was home to a single bald Eagle that never moved, then briefly a grey fox which you could never find. now it sits empty. Why not fill it with a new monkey species?
The River Otter Exhibit. Also not a bad exhibit (a bit small maybe). Right now it's home to a a couple of pond turtles that are nearly impossible to find. The Zoo has multiple other areas to see Turtles. Why not bring in new Otters? Otters are usually crowd-pleaser.
Puente Exhibit and South America Rainforest building... South America is home to an incredible variety of charismatic animal species. The Puente exhibit has just 5- 1 Braids Tapir, 1 Black necked Swan, 2 Spotted Owls, 1 Andean Condor and 1 Giant Anteater. Why not bring in/back Rhea, Capybara or Mara into the Puente yard?
Also, the Rainforest buildings Anaconda passed away almost half a year. Maybe get a new one or a Caiman? Maybe a South American Monkey species could go somewhere. The Zoo used to have 4 south American monkey species, including 2 species of Tamarins.
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