Savannah cats banned from Australia
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If the govt was serious they would do something about the feral cats and the issue of pet shops allowing the sale of animals that are not desexed.
I'm totally against the sale of pets in pet shops. The animals are usually bought on impulse and end up in animal shelters or dumped in the wild. Animals shelters, by law, must desex all animals that leave the shelters so why shouldn't pet shops have the same responsibility.
I personally, don't believe the Savanah cat is any more of a problem than any other breed allowed in the country.
I'm totally against the sale of pets in pet shops. The animals are usually bought on impulse and end up in animal shelters or dumped in the wild. Animals shelters, by law, must desex all animals that leave the shelters so why shouldn't pet shops have the same responsibility.
I personally, don't believe the Savanah cat is any more of a problem than any other breed allowed in the country.
ZYBen
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Its a bit risky desexing young animals and costly, its in much better interest of the animal to have it done later in life (6 months ish, i'm talking cats and dogs here.)
Most pet shops sell dogs and cats with desexing discount vouchers. and i will say most because theres some figures in PIAA books somewhere.
Most pet shops sell dogs and cats with desexing discount vouchers. and i will say most because theres some figures in PIAA books somewhere.
I purchased a kitten from a pet shop over ten years and received nothing (and I have a couple of friends who have purchased kitten and also received nothing). In fact, she died within five months (initial blood tests showed she had low white and red cell count and low in platelets...it would have cost $200 for extra test to determine what was wrong with her...this would be added to cost of euthanasing her as she couldn't be saved.)
But I live Victoria so things might be different here. Pet shops offer free vet checks which are worthless. My dying kitten was given the all clear and she was obviously sick.
I found a kitten four years ago and initially left her in a shelter and I adopted her one week later (it was a week before Christmas) as I was told she would probably be euthanased and I felt sorry for her. She was desexed before I could take her home (at about 12 weeks old). My family has always had cats and we've always desexed them at about six months.
My mother found a kitten and I was told by the vet to bring her back at six months. I questioned them and asked why my kitten had to be desexed (by law) before leaving the shelter and I was told the shelters had special equipment for desexing smaller animals and a lot of local vets couldn't afford this equipment.
I wonder how many people 'forget' to go back to the vet at six months and before you know it......more kittens.
But I live Victoria so things might be different here. Pet shops offer free vet checks which are worthless. My dying kitten was given the all clear and she was obviously sick.
I found a kitten four years ago and initially left her in a shelter and I adopted her one week later (it was a week before Christmas) as I was told she would probably be euthanased and I felt sorry for her. She was desexed before I could take her home (at about 12 weeks old). My family has always had cats and we've always desexed them at about six months.
My mother found a kitten and I was told by the vet to bring her back at six months. I questioned them and asked why my kitten had to be desexed (by law) before leaving the shelter and I was told the shelters had special equipment for desexing smaller animals and a lot of local vets couldn't afford this equipment.
I wonder how many people 'forget' to go back to the vet at six months and before you know it......more kittens.
thorney_devil
Well-Known Member
Everyone is entitled to there own opinion but what do all these people raving about the (poor supposably neglected) animals? All of these people see the horrible normally overseas images, images of the animals in pounds/shelters animals in the most disgusting conditions (yes im not saying cases dont happen).
Have you ever really seen a pet shop neglecting animals, there staff not caring or responsible for the animals welfare or environment? These animals in most cases are kept within the state rules and regulations to the ethics of animals in pet stores. All animals within NSW must be sold microchipped, vaccinated & vet checked with most keeping up to date with heartworm, intestinal worm & flea treatments...
How can you say the animals are bought on impulse? Have you ever asked the prices on most animals, considered we sell all the products (extra) + they are signing up to commit to the care of this animal with ongoing costs... Now unless these people have some mental issue there all perfectly capable of understanding this! Most stores refuse to sell animals to people under the age of 18 years of age and I believe this should be brought into effect across the country...
Aswell as the taking of details from some form of identification such as a driver's licence, proof of age or personal document to prove most details are correct. Such as address and full name... also a secondary owner should sign to confirm that the animal has two permenant carers always caring for it. I have turned away numerous people who have wanted to purchase a animal showing very little care or concern, and any sales person can do this!
Yes all buisnesses are for profit, who isnt? But at the end of the day why would we invest our lifes, time and profession in something we had little if any concern for the correct knowledge, healthy animals and quality products, aswell as experienced (animal loving) staff members. Would you work in something u were not interested in?
Yes the government should do something but banning the sale of animals is not the way to go about it. More tougher restrictions should go into store checks of compliance, animal purchasing, animal care, sale procedures & product quaility. If stores fail to fines or staff restricted from working within the industry & on more than one occasion of failure to comply they should be shut down.
It is not a law of shelters and rescues to de-sex thier animals. The problem with de-sexing is the actual procedure which can be very risky to carry out on animals under the age of six months hence the reason pet shops usually dont do it! Now days many offer discount de-sexing and highly promote the need, Many are happy to follow through. Most vet's will refuse to de-sex animals under 6 months due to this risk.
The Savannah Cat had not even arrived in Australia when it caused a huge stir within the environmental & animal activist community... People worrying about the Koala population and the risk of these animals hunting & killing them. Never mind the bilbies, possums, birds & reptiles constantly predated on by these feral and domesticated animals yes it's natural instinct but something should be done and more government funding is needed...
Yes it's not a great excuse or idea but we can only try its better than wasting millions on building a law suit against Japan and it's whalers only to be hushed up and slid under the covers, due to economic relations... We can stop illegal fisherman within Australian waters but the whalers are given the greenlight to cruise right through, re-fuel and dock on Australian waters. I say next time request them to stop, seize thier vessels, and take all personel into custody and charge them. Not only do they dis-obey Australians or International laws but they have so much dis-respect for the environment and its future.
Have you ever really seen a pet shop neglecting animals, there staff not caring or responsible for the animals welfare or environment? These animals in most cases are kept within the state rules and regulations to the ethics of animals in pet stores. All animals within NSW must be sold microchipped, vaccinated & vet checked with most keeping up to date with heartworm, intestinal worm & flea treatments...
How can you say the animals are bought on impulse? Have you ever asked the prices on most animals, considered we sell all the products (extra) + they are signing up to commit to the care of this animal with ongoing costs... Now unless these people have some mental issue there all perfectly capable of understanding this! Most stores refuse to sell animals to people under the age of 18 years of age and I believe this should be brought into effect across the country...
Aswell as the taking of details from some form of identification such as a driver's licence, proof of age or personal document to prove most details are correct. Such as address and full name... also a secondary owner should sign to confirm that the animal has two permenant carers always caring for it. I have turned away numerous people who have wanted to purchase a animal showing very little care or concern, and any sales person can do this!
Yes all buisnesses are for profit, who isnt? But at the end of the day why would we invest our lifes, time and profession in something we had little if any concern for the correct knowledge, healthy animals and quality products, aswell as experienced (animal loving) staff members. Would you work in something u were not interested in?
Yes the government should do something but banning the sale of animals is not the way to go about it. More tougher restrictions should go into store checks of compliance, animal purchasing, animal care, sale procedures & product quaility. If stores fail to fines or staff restricted from working within the industry & on more than one occasion of failure to comply they should be shut down.
It is not a law of shelters and rescues to de-sex thier animals. The problem with de-sexing is the actual procedure which can be very risky to carry out on animals under the age of six months hence the reason pet shops usually dont do it! Now days many offer discount de-sexing and highly promote the need, Many are happy to follow through. Most vet's will refuse to de-sex animals under 6 months due to this risk.
The Savannah Cat had not even arrived in Australia when it caused a huge stir within the environmental & animal activist community... People worrying about the Koala population and the risk of these animals hunting & killing them. Never mind the bilbies, possums, birds & reptiles constantly predated on by these feral and domesticated animals yes it's natural instinct but something should be done and more government funding is needed...
Yes it's not a great excuse or idea but we can only try its better than wasting millions on building a law suit against Japan and it's whalers only to be hushed up and slid under the covers, due to economic relations... We can stop illegal fisherman within Australian waters but the whalers are given the greenlight to cruise right through, re-fuel and dock on Australian waters. I say next time request them to stop, seize thier vessels, and take all personel into custody and charge them. Not only do they dis-obey Australians or International laws but they have so much dis-respect for the environment and its future.
Hi Thorny Devil
I agree with all that you've said (particulary regaring whaling and illegal fishing).
I haven't said that pet shops animals are neglected only that the one I bought was obviously very sick.
When I went back to the vet shop and the vet that did her 'free' vet check I was dismissed. I honestly believe that my kitten (a chinchilla) had a chronic condition that she inherited from her mother. I wanted someone to have a look at where this kitten was sourced so the queen could be checked and further heartbreak be avoided. On top of paying a lot for the kitten I paid a small fortune on vet bills only to have to let her go.
Re: desexing: I believe the laws in Victoria are different to those of NSW and SA (and possibly other states).
Pet shops (Vic) are under no obligation to provide certificates or discounts for animal desexing whereas all Victorian shelters MUST desex their animals before onselling them and unfortunately, it's the shelters that pick up the excess from the animals that are not desexed. I think it should be consistent for all facilities that sell animals.
As far as checks, or registration at point of sale, much more can be done here. There was a case in Vic earlier this year of a 15 yo purchasing a puppy (from a pet shop) which ended up at the RSPCA shelter days later because her parents said she can't have it.
Over 40,000 cats are destroyed annually in Victoria, which in my mind is disgusting and totall unacceptable in a supposedly civilised society. Unfortunately, it's the role of people who love and care for animals to have the horrible duty of destroying them.
Councils, who make a lot of money from registrations of cats and dogs, I believe, should be putting some of that money back into funds to assist in desexing animals.
Councils and state govts could provide assistance to low income earners to assist with desexing and pensioners should be able to have their pets desexed for FREE at any vet.
Anyway, there's a lot more to be said but it has nothing to do with Savannah cats so I'm logging out now.
I agree with all that you've said (particulary regaring whaling and illegal fishing).
I haven't said that pet shops animals are neglected only that the one I bought was obviously very sick.
When I went back to the vet shop and the vet that did her 'free' vet check I was dismissed. I honestly believe that my kitten (a chinchilla) had a chronic condition that she inherited from her mother. I wanted someone to have a look at where this kitten was sourced so the queen could be checked and further heartbreak be avoided. On top of paying a lot for the kitten I paid a small fortune on vet bills only to have to let her go.
Re: desexing: I believe the laws in Victoria are different to those of NSW and SA (and possibly other states).
Pet shops (Vic) are under no obligation to provide certificates or discounts for animal desexing whereas all Victorian shelters MUST desex their animals before onselling them and unfortunately, it's the shelters that pick up the excess from the animals that are not desexed. I think it should be consistent for all facilities that sell animals.
As far as checks, or registration at point of sale, much more can be done here. There was a case in Vic earlier this year of a 15 yo purchasing a puppy (from a pet shop) which ended up at the RSPCA shelter days later because her parents said she can't have it.
Over 40,000 cats are destroyed annually in Victoria, which in my mind is disgusting and totall unacceptable in a supposedly civilised society. Unfortunately, it's the role of people who love and care for animals to have the horrible duty of destroying them.
Councils, who make a lot of money from registrations of cats and dogs, I believe, should be putting some of that money back into funds to assist in desexing animals.
Councils and state govts could provide assistance to low income earners to assist with desexing and pensioners should be able to have their pets desexed for FREE at any vet.
Anyway, there's a lot more to be said but it has nothing to do with Savannah cats so I'm logging out now.