Any developments on the Asian lion front? When is the export of Asians to Europe due (as has been planned, the last info .. had it it had been deferred .. but since some time lapse perhaps info anew).
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interesting. I guess they somehow thought they were Angolan when they imported them?? The WRS' own publications say they were Angolan. I wonder when they found out they were actually Cape giraffes?Kifaru Bwana said:Chlidonias, the 2 females Tamar and Roni are most definitely Cape giraffe (as their entire breeding herd is made up of the giraffa subspecies). The founder stock were directly imported from S.Africa - Umfolozi.
They only ever held a male reticulated till late 1987.
I guess it is a case of mistaken id / public announcement.
zooboy28
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Chlidonias, the 2 females Tamar and Roni are most definitely Cape giraffe (as their entire breeding herd is made up of the giraffa subspecies). The founder stock were directly imported from S.Africa - Umfolozi.
They only ever held a male reticulated till late 1987.
I guess it is a case of mistaken id / public announcement.
So just to clarify, the Zoo and Night Safari hold just Cape Giraffes? Or are there also some hybrids, but definitely no other pure subspecies? And are the Capes at just one or both parks?
Clearly, they hold ONLY Cape giraffe giraffa. Even their own original founder stock originated from South Africa (the ones' breeding now were 1.1 + 0.2 female imports from Jerusalem).
zooboy28
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Thank you for the confirmation KB.
Jackwow
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This is otherwise known as Grant's Zebra, yes?
Jackwow
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So all three in Sing Zoo are South African (Cape) Giraffe, thank you.
Yes, Grant's zebra Equus quagga boehmi, being a subspecies of the common zebra.
Frozen Tundra opens to the public tomorrow. As expected, the polar bear enclosure housing the lone male Inuka is no where near the standards of Denver, Columbus or Toronto. It is a decent size but there is no natural substrate nor live plants. The pool is large and is chilled with ice blocks, and there is a bedroom-sized indoor "cave" (maintained at about 18 degrees Celsius) where the polar bear can retire to at any time. The wolverine and raccoon dog exhibits are entirely indoors and as some zoochatters have pointed out, are essentially glass tanks. You'll find photos of the exhibit in the news article:
Polar bear Inuka moves into new home at the Singapore Zoo
Polar bear Inuka moves into new home at the Singapore Zoo
I don't wanna bring in more confusion, but I still have my doubt that ALL 3 (!) giraffes at Singapore ZOO are Cape Giraffes. According to an older media anouncement (published when they arrived) and also according how the pattern looks like, I would say that one (the male?) is a Baringo or a hybrid.
And yes Grant's zebra = Boehms zebra: I chose the term E. q. boehmi because afaik this subspecies was named after the german explorer/researcher earlier then after his british counterpart Grant. But it seems that some of the anglo-americans can't accept that fact (or are still not able to speak the "ö" correctly - as the germans and others has their difficulties with "th"...
Singapore imported their original pair in 1993 direct from NPB, South Africa. The other 2 females followed in 2005.
Right into 2010+ they were still only breeding from the original gene pool + the Israeli females. This was always visible in the tallies of ISIS till 2011.
Along the way they did import a male Baringo Marco in 2005. However, this one was never in recent years listed on ISIS.
Are you sure you are not making a mistake?
Now, I do understand people would like to know ... (the plot thickens).
What I would like to know: the Asian lion import to Europe???? What is happening with Indian rhino breeding (after importing the new female from US)? Any interesting breedings lately, particularly Asian fauna like tapir, babirusa, anoa, orangs, langurs?????
And new exhibits at the zoo proper?
in 2005 the zoo opened their new giraffe exhibit (after not having displayed giraffes for the previous 11 years). The giraffes were the two females from Tisch in Israel (Lucy and Roni, called Angolan giraffes at the time but apparently actually Cape giraffes...) and a male Rothschilds from Burgers called Growie. All three are still at WRS as I understand it.
Perhaps Growie was called Marco at Burgers?
Jackwow
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I don't have a clue, just quoting something stated in the SZ gallery.
Growie = Marco (his adopters requested the name change).
When ISIS was last publicly viewable, all the other giraffes held by WRS were listed as Cape.
The confusion may stem from the fact that the Night Safari exhibits pure Cape giraffe. It is a breeding pair + 2 offspring since 2008.
It puzzles me what a zoo like Singapore Zoo would do with breeding hybrids.
It puzzles me what a zoo like Singapore Zoo would do with breeding hybrids.
only the Night Safari giraffes are breeding (as you say, two young, in 2008 and 2011). I'm not sure if the Rothschild's at the zoo has been rendered incapable or if the females there are on contraceptives, but the zoo hasn't bred from them at all. They are certainly old enough (the three are all about eight years old I believe) so I guess the WRS must be deliberately not breeding from them. I do wonder why they imported the Rothschild's in the first place though.
Probably a matter of availability. The zoo needed giraffes young enough to be transported easily. So perhaps Marco was the only one available for transfer at that point in time and small enough to fit in a plane.
You Aussies and Kiwis can have him and good on you all. I really do hope Singapore can be a conduit to provide you lot with pure-bred Rothschild's giraffe, so we can stop churning out mumbo jumbo crossbreeds / hybrids that are not found in the wilds.
OK, perhaps the SZ females are on contraceptives?