Snowleopard's 2010 Road Trip

Thanks to both SnowLeopard and Baldur for your votes of confidence. We are very, very glad that you like our book and are finding it useful.

Baldur, we'll all enjoy hearing about your epic journey in September. It will be especially interesting to hear how a European enjoys encountering many of America's best zoos.
 
My own reviews are different and brutally honest, as I trash the many horrible enclosures that still abound in American zoos and also highly praise the truly world-class habitats. Then there is "geomorph" on this website, who ranks every single zoo and every single zoo exhibit that he sees with intricately written reviews.

That is fine here; most Zoochat users have seen dozens of zoos and many have been visiting zoos for decades in a number of countries; thus they have knowledge and understanding needed to go through a harsh critical review of a zoo without jumping to emotional conclusions. But the average family driving through the US on their summer holiday may not know any more than their own local zoo and may even think all zoos are the same so why bother with a new zoo during their travel when the zoo back home awaits them. This family has money that can help a small regional zoo in a different part of the US to improve their facilities; and a too harsh review might scare them away from visiting as they don't have the knowledge or understanding that we have. Much as I like your reviews, Snowleopard, I don't think they'd be suitable for a book (at least not without being 'softened up' a bit ;))
 
Baldur really understands the "science" of writing a travel guidebook! Maybe he should write a book someday.
 
Baldur really understands the "science" of writing a travel guidebook! Maybe he should write a book someday.

Thank you Allen; this coming from the author of two travel guidebooks is certainly an ego kick for me! :D However, I think I'll start with a few reviews on Zoochat and keep the book as a goal for later! :p
 
Baldur really understands the "science" of writing a travel guidebook! Maybe he should write a book someday.

@Anyhuis,

How about a "World zoo guidebook" with some input from say two other people per courty or region?, maybe a few from the forum could help out for zoos in Europe ,USA, Asia, ect. :cool:
 
@Anyhuis,

How about a "World zoo guidebook" with some input from say two other people per courty or region?, maybe a few from the forum could help out for zoos in Europe ,USA, Asia, ect. :cool:

Count me in on this project! :D
 
@Anyhuis,
How about a "World zoo guidebook" with some input from say two other people per courty or region?, maybe a few from the forum could help out for zoos in Europe ,USA, Asia, ect. :cool:

Great idea, but I'll be honest -- the biggest problem is getting a publisher. Quite frankly, book sales are down significantly across the board these days with this horrible recession. During an economic downturn, there are two things that consumers don't do: buy books and travel (and we have a travel book). While I won't deny that I have other zoo guidebooks in the back of my mind, right now our immediate goal is to increase the sales of our current book -- so that our publisher will want us to write more.
 
I guess we just missed each other Snowleopard. I went to the Philly Zoo and Independence Hall on Thursday and Friday. Looking forward to your reviews of the mid-Atlantic facilities.
 
In 1992 Anthony D. Marshall wrote 'Zoo: Profiles of 102 Zoos, Aquariums and Wildlife Parks in the United States' but it was way too subjective and critical. A guidebook should be as neutral or objective as possible.

Of course, he's in prison now for embezzling millions of US$ from his mother, Mary Astor... but that's not connected to his book.BTW, he was on the Board of Trustees of WCS (Bronx Zoo, etc) for years.

Add to your zoo reviewers' trivia file :D
 
Of course, he's in prison now for embezzling millions of US$ from his mother, Mary Astor... but that's not connected to his book.BTW, he was on the Board of Trustees of WCS (Bronx Zoo, etc) for years. Add to your zoo reviewers' trivia file :D

I was going to add this, but I thought it might be piling on! Actually his mother was Brooke Astor, who died in 2007 at the ripe old age of 105. Her late husband was Vincent Astor, whose father died on the Titanic. Brooke was a major donor to the Bronx Zoo, which is how Anthony (the author who's in prison) got involved with zoos.
 
I was going to add this, but I thought it might be piling on! Actually his mother was Brooke Astor, who died in 2007 at the ripe old age of 105. Her late husband was Vincent Astor, whose father died on the Titanic. Brooke was a major donor to the Bronx Zoo, which is how Anthony (the author who's in prison) got involved with zoos.

Oh so right. I wasn't thinking

As to piling it on: maybe I was making an observation of the moral perils of becoming a zoo reviewer ;)
 
Of course, he's in prison now for embezzling millions of US$ from his mother, Mary Astor... but that's not connected to his book.BTW, he was on the Board of Trustees of WCS (Bronx Zoo, etc) for years.

Add to your zoo reviewers' trivia file :D

You don't say! :D I hope he was allowed to bring a copy of his own book to lift his spirit a bit while doing time ... :rolleyes:
 
The zoo looks overseas for pure dingoes because they are not being bred in United States zoos... Although they look like domestic dogs, the latest research shows that dingoes are a subspecies of the wolf.

I have news for you - domestic dogs are a subspecies of wolf also (Canis lupus familiaris). Dingos are feral domestic dogs and not native to Australia or neighboring islands (where dingo variants such as the New Guinea Singing Dog are found). They have just been there a lot longer than most human-introduced non-native animals. As far as I know (I am NOT an expert on this), they were largely responsible for the extinction of the thylacine on the mainland. The thylacine was, of course, the top predator and looked very dog-like. Whether or not dingos are a suitable substitute to fill in the ecological niche of the thylacine is beyond my limited knowledge. But I am very skeptical of zoos wasting their valuable space and money on any domestic animal, even a feral one that is well established in the wild.
 
So I wonder what's up with the SnowLeopard family? Hope they're all right. They were scheduled for: Providence RI (Roger Williams) on Friday, Philadelphia on Saturday, and Baltimore (Maryland Zoo and National Aquarium) on Sunday. I just checked and they had nice weather (mid 80s, no rain) over the weekend.

I'm just guessing that they haven't had a good hotel with internet access -- Eastern hotels tend to be more expensive, so maybe they're saving a few bucks and foregoing wifi. Also they were planning on a couple of busy days, adding the Philadelphia historical sites (Liberty Bell, Independence Hall) to the Philly Zoo, and doing both the Maryland Zoo and National Aquarium on the same day. So perhaps they're worn out.
 
DAY 19: Friday, July 30th

Zoo/Aquarium Review # 15: Roger Williams Park Zoo

Roger Williams Park Zoo’s website:

RWP Zoo : Home

Zoo Map:

http://rwpzoo.org/images/RWPZ_map.pdf

Roger Williams Park Zoo is a small zoo in Providence, Rhode Island, a tiny American state on the east coast. In the states deemed as “New England” territory (Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut Massachusetts and Rhode Island) there are not many notable zoological collections, and thus Roger Williams Park Zoo is regarded as perhaps the best of the few major zoos that exist in that part of the country. I found my visit to my highly enjoyable, and even though the zoo only took 2.5 hours to see there are a number of high-profile species and high-quality exhibits within the grounds. There are somewhat surprisingly no lions, tigers or great apes, but there are enough animals to keep even hardcore ZooChatters content!

THE BEST:

Plains of Africa – A decent African elephant enclosure for 3 pachyderms contains a large pool, at least 5 Masai giraffe are next door in a rock-lined enclosure (including a 3 week-old baby giraffe that was galloping around its exhibit), West African crowned cranes have a spacious enclosure, wildebeest and zebras share a paddock, aoudad reside in a rocky yard, and African wild dogs have a very large and grassy enclosure to roam. This part of the zoo is the first section that all visitors see, and while it only has 6 exhibits all of them are perfectly acceptable and offer an exciting entrance to a small zoo.

Marco Polo Silk Road – This themed area has 5 exhibits, where coincidentally all of the animals come in twos, and it features the best snow leopard exhibit that I’ve seen on this road trip. It is a thousand times better than the tiny cages that these big cats reside in at the Cleveland and Tulsa zoos. The enclosure is not huge, but it is heavily planted and features a steep cliff where the two cats were extremely active in the shade. This zone also features an above average Asiatic black bear exhibit that is rocky and also lush with vegetation for the two bears, a red panda exhibit where visitors strangely look directly down upon the two animals, two red-naped cranes in an ugly yard and a pair of dromedaries in an average paddock.

THE AVERAGE:

Australasia – A small building has Matshie’s tree kangaroos and average tanks for crayfish, fish and some invertebrates. There is an indoor aviary with these species: Bali mynah, Jambu fruit dove, Wonga pigeon and Silver-eared mesia. Outside are average enclosures for babirusa, binturongs, white-cheeked gibbons, parma wallabies, Chinese alligators (new for 2010), a large emu/eastern grey kangaroo yard and a very impressive kookaburra aviary. There is also a walk-through aviary for birds, and in general this entire area is fairly small and unspectacular.

North America – A polar bear is on this zoo’s logo, and the gift shop is packed with everything imaginable that contains photos of polar bears. However, a few years ago the zoo decided to send its bears elsewhere rather than live in an outdated bear pit, which has since been converted into a pleasant, open-topped bald eagle exhibit. There is a sign posted up where the future polar bear habitat will go, but the zoo is waiting on funding and a set time frame for the expensive plans. In this area are pronghorns, bison, red wolves (with a chain-link enclosure with terrible viewing opportunities) and nearby enclosures for muntjacs and African spurred tortoises. This whole area, except for the new bald eagle exhibit, is going to be slightly renovated once the polar bear exhibit actually gets constructed in a few years. There has already been the removal of both peccaries and Arctic foxes from the zoo.

Farmyard – Another children’s farm at a major American zoo, and this one is no better or worse than all the others.

THE WORST:

Tropical America – A Humboldt penguin/white-breasted cormorant pool is terrible, an adjacent mara enclosure is disappointing, a pretty pool with Chilean flamingos, Chiloe wigeons and White-faced whistling ducks is average, and a nearby harbor seal pool has underwater viewing but a bare, cement pool that looks as if it was built by the same design firm that constructed most of the Milwaukee County Zoo. There is a new, excellent and rather lushly planted giant anteater exhibit next to the mini-indoor rainforest building.

The indoor rainforest building is within the tiny confines of what seems to be an ancient, 100 year-old, creaking structure that has puddles on the floor and appears to leak water on unsuspecting zoo visitors. A green anaconda is shoved into a small exhibit, and alongside an emerald tree boa also has a dirty tank as its home. There is a white-faced saki monkey enclosure, a green aracari enclosure, a Jamaican fruit bat enclosure and a small aviary, but it appears that most of these other animals are free-roaming: cotton-top tamarins, golden lion tamarins, two-toed sloths, prehensile-tailed porcupines, yellow-rumped caciques, sunbitterns, blue-crowned motmots, South American red-footed tortoises, red-crested cardinals, silver-beaked tanagers and elegant crested tinamous. I can’t confirm that they were all free to explore wherever they wanted to, as the tortoises were definitely confined to their own area, but I did see many of the birds, a sloth and it was a treat to have tamarins run around directly over my head. The small building is almost too tiny to contain the number of species that it has, and everything inside has an amateurish, haphazard feel to it.

OVERALL:

Roger Williams Park Zoo is a small zoo that nevertheless is well worth a visit. One surprising thing is the almost complete lack of interactive children’s activities, as well as a notable playground. That is all changing in the future as the “Wetlands Trail” is currently only half open due to construction on a new Children’s Zoo (sponsored by Hasbro) that is opening in 2012. There is a new Veterinary Hospital under construction for 2011, and of course the future polar bear exhibit will finally bring that animal (the zoo’s logo) back to the collection. Occasionally it is really quite enjoyable to tour a limited zoo, spend just 2-3 hours admiring an intimate collection, and then move on down the road. I would rather visit a small zoo with solid exhibits over a larger zoo with countless pits, grottoes and metal cages any day of the week.
 
DAY 20: Saturday, July 31st

Zoo/Aquarium Review # 16: Philadelphia Zoo

Philadelphia Zoo’s website:

Philadelphia Zoo - Home

Zoo Map:

http://www.philadelphiazoo.org/PhiladelphiaZoo/files/a8/a8b7b95c-2c71-465a-bf7e-123ef99cc74b.pdf

Philadelphia Zoo is undoubtedly worth a visit just to see the wonderfully rare creatures that are found there and at very few other establishments in North America. On my visit I saw 2 Bornean bearded pigs, a Russian red squirrel, 2 blue-eyed lemurs, a baby Titi monkey, an Asiatic black bear, 2 aardvarks, 4 giant river otters, 2 species of elephant shrews, an echidna, an African striped weasel, Madagascar giant jumping rats, mongoose lemurs, 3 douc langurs (the only 3 on the continent) and an incredibly active aye-aye. What a list!

The zoo displays its animals taxonomically and there are 9 cat species, 4 bear species, a large bird collection, around 120 species of reptiles and amphibians, and all sorts of primates, hoofstock and other creatures. The animal collection is superb, the historic element of the almost 150 year-old zoo (fountains, sculptures, buildings, plaques, etc) is impressive, and it is immensely popular as illustrated with about 1.3 million visitors annually. On our visit my wife, daughter and I were plagued with massive crowds, and of all my lifetime zoo visits I think that this zoo was perhaps the busiest ever. Disney’s Animal Kingdom was also a challenge to get around, as are most major zoos on the weekend, but Philly was stuffed to the rafters and all of the large buildings were packed with rows of visitors. The enormous crowds tainted the day a little, but I will forget about them as I write an impartial review.

With so many terrific elements one would think that Philadelphia Zoo is one of the best in the United States, but the real reason why almost no one rates the zoo as a top contender is that the quality of exhibitry is lacking in many places. There are plenty of decent enclosures, but nothing that is a real knockout and several that are subpar. The zoo has renovated its old buildings over the years (such as the Reptile House and recently the Feline and Bird Houses) but the results, while very good, are not as spectacular as what could have been achieved by constructing an entirely new piece of infrastructure. However, the zoo did build a brand new primate building about a decade ago, but in my opinion it is a total disaster. More on that later…

THE BEST:

Big Cat Falls – This is a renovation of the old Feline House, and there are 5 spacious exhibits featuring 6 cat species. This area won the AZA Best Exhibit of the year award for 2007, and the complex opened to the public in 2006. I found the area to be quite impressive, but I was also expecting more from the renovation. The lion, tiger and puma enclosures are fairly large but in all honesty they are not as good as many other similar cat exhibits across the country. The jaguar enclosure has a low-key temple theme to it, and while impressive it is not as great as jaguar exhibits at Woodland Park or Jacksonville. The best part of Big Cat Falls is the Amur leopard/snow leopard exhibit, where the two species rotate. On my visit it was the Amur leopard in the enclosure, and the habitat is so lushly planted that it was fantastic to see the cat prowl around the perimeter of the exhibit. There is a cascading waterfall, and the only puzzling aspect is that the enclosure appears to be a thick, lush jungle while the cats that rotate through it are from much higher altitudes. There is also a large theater room and a researcher’s station that are both top-notch, and while Big Cat Falls is a worthy addition to the zoo it is not the world-class complex that I was expecting.

Bear Country – These 30 year-old enclosures actually hold up quite well in the modern zoo world, and I saw one bear of each of these species in the 4 habitats: polar, spectacled, Asiatic black and sloth. The polar bear exhibit has a huge pool and a large grassy area, and the other three habitats are all large and lush. The only downside is that the sloth bear was showing horrible stereotypical behavior on my visit. Compared to some of the absolutely horrendous bear pits that I’ve seen (Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Cheyenne Mountain, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Buffalo, Denver, etc) the bear exhibits in Philadelphia are excellent and spacious.

THE AVERAGE:

Carnivore Kingdom – The giant otters are the stars of the show here, and they have a terrific exhibit and a huge pool to splash around in. Other good enclosures are here for brown pelicans, hyacinth macaws and coatis, but too small habitats are here for these species: dwarf caiman, snow leopard, fishing cat and Canadian lynx. The snow leopard one in particular is a joke in terms of size, and the fishing cat enclosure had its pool drained of water.

African Plains – A reticulated giraffe paddock is narrow and barren, white rhinos share space with zebras, there is a saddle-billed stork/Mhorr gazelle/addax/African crowned crane exhibit that is huge and a bare ostrich yard. The average hoofstock yards that are seen at many other zoos.

Rare Animal Conservation Centre – Douc langurs! There are two older monkeys that live together and they never once moved in my two visits to this building, and one younger langur that lives next door but does not coexist in the same space as his two elders. It was a real treat to see the only 3 douc langurs in North America, and the rest of the species in this building include: naked mole rat, golden lion tamarin, kea, titi monkey, Rodrigues fruit pat, Goeldi’s monkey, mongoose lemur, Madagascar giant jumping rat, dwarf mongoose, prehensile-tailed porcupine, giant elephant shrew, red-capped mangabey, blue-eyed lemur and pied tamarin. This building would be much better if the larger primates had access to the outdoors, but all of them are confined to the cement of this 1960’s structure.

Small Mammal House – It was cool to see two aardvarks sharing the same habitat as meerkats, and another mixed-species exhibit had two-toed sloths with Brazilian agoutis. The rest of the small and fairly outdated building resembled the far superior “Mouse House” at the Bronx Zoo, and here are some of the species: chinchilla, Merriam’s kangaroo rat, European harvest mouse, short-eared elephant shrew, common tree shrew, bushy-tailed jird, pygmy marmoset, degu, damaraland mole rat, and Madagascar giant jumping rat. A very good but tiny nocturnal wing had these species, amongst others: African striped weasel, vampire bat, fruit bat, pygmy loris, sugar glider and echidna. Like much of the Philadelphia Zoo there is a great animal collection in average enclosures.

Reptile/Amphibian House – There are around 120 species here and the collection is hugely impressive, but the quality of the exhibits again lets the zoo down. A massive king cobra area is surrounded by galleries of smaller tanks, including disappointingly tiny and bare pools for American alligators, West African dwarf crocodiles and Nile crocodiles. A large southwestern display features Mexican beaded lizards and desert tortoises, and I took photos of excellent exhibits for prehensile-tailed skinks and black tree monitors. By far the best part of the house is the attached yard outside (“Tortoise Trail”), as there were Galapagos and Aldabra tortoises in a huge paddock that was very popular with visitors. A mating session was going on, and there were at least 8-10 of the massive tortoises in the spacious yard.

African Outpost – An enormous mesh enclosure for colobus monkeys, a small cage for red pandas, and two spacious yards for cheetahs and African wild dogs are somewhat randomly placed at the northwest corner of the zoo.

McNeil Avian Centre – A renovated bird house (a 1916 structure) featuring a great variety of smaller birds. Rhinoceros hornbills have a large aviary, and the walk-through area is pleasant but there is nothing to interest a non-bird lover here.

THE WORST:

Children’s Zoo – This is possibly the worst children’s zoo that I’ve seen on my current epic road trip, and it is no wonder that there are plans to update it in time for the zoo’s 150th anniversary in 2014. A puny insect zoo, a small stage with peeling paint and rusty metal poles, a few barns and farm animals scattered around the grounds, and a decrepit duck pond where visitors can toss food to the waterfowl. Ugh.

Zoo Layout – I’m not a huge fan of the taxonomic distribution of animal exhibits in zoos, as I’d much prefer an organized group centred around geographical areas or biomes. Philadelphia Zoo is an historic establishment and thus it has embraced the idea of keeping all the cats, bears, primates, birds, etc in complexes. However, the zoo is also haphazardly arranged, with exhibits of bald eagles, black-tailed prairie dogs, spider monkeys (white-bellied and Columbian black in the same large mesh enclosure), Andean condors, Bornean bearded pigs, giant anteaters, a capybara/mara enclosure, lorikeets, Russian red squirrels, macaws, black-and-white ruffed lemurs and golden lion tamarins in random areas with no attachment to anything around them. While weaving through the pathways I’d come across such exhibits and wonder if they were remnants of the past. With no set trails or organized loops it means that reading the zoo map takes on an even greater importance.

Bird Valley – A Humboldt penguin exhibit is not bad but somewhat outdated, and then there is a long line of ugly brick walls that feature a lengthy row of bird enclosures. Species include: black swan, black-necked swan, Coscoroba swan, turkey vulture, Cape barren goose, canvasback and a pretty Caribbean flamingo enclosure nearby.

Pachyderm House – Thank goodness there are no more elephants here, as their old enclosure would have been horrendous for such large mammals. The elephants were sent to a sanctuary where they have over 700 acres to roam, and their barren paddock at the zoo is now occupied by Poitou donkeys. Poor bastards! There are also crappy, dusty yards for okapi, Indian rhino and Nile hippos, in an area that is badly outdated. A southern ground hornbill lives in a yard right across from the hippos. The zoo even acknowledges the archaic zone, as there is a huge, double-paneled sign that details the fact that the elephants were in subpar conditions and were sent to a terrific new home. I’m sure that somewhere in the long-range plans there are suggestions to overhaul this desolate area of the zoo.

Primate Reserve – I realize that the decision to put a large primate complex that just opened a decade ago in my “worst” category might seem shocking to my faithful readers as often new exhibits are praiseworthy, but this building gets just about everything wrong. The entrance sign is pleasant and there is a well-planted ring-tailed lemur island that offers up an attractive offering as visitors file into the area. The outdoor gorilla yard is simply a large field, with the only vegetation hotwired off in the centre of the space. There are a couple of small climbing structures, but for the most part it resembles a soccer field and none of the apes were interested in venturing out on my visit. The Sumatran orangutans and white-handed gibbons have a large outdoor yard that is great for the gibbons as they have access to some massive trees, but I’m not sure that the orangs can scale the ropes to also spend time in the treetops. There is a metal structure lumped into the exhibit right near the glass viewing windows, and it is ugly as anything I’ve seen in an ape enclosure. Maybe the orangs hang their laundry on it?

The great ape outdoor yards were disappointing, but the indoor area of the primate house is a disaster. The decision was made in the late 1990’s (after the original primate house burned to the ground on Christmas Eve of 1995) to construct a type of “retro” building, as almost all of the floor space is hard cement, the walls are murals from another era, and few of the primates have any outdoor areas. There are steel beams, ladders and metal pipes in the exhibit that are used for climbing, but if someone had shown me photos and told me that I was looking at a monkey house from the 1950’s I would have believed every word. Everything is harsh metal and cement, and the ladders and steel poles make me cringe. The species list: spectacled langurs, squirrel monkeys, Sumatran orangutans/white-handed gibbons, gorillas, colobus monkeys, aye-ayes (a male and pregnant female in a separate nocturnal area) and Coquerel’s sifakas and golden lion tamarins in basic outdoor cages.

OVERALL:

Philadelphia Zoo reminds me of the Los Angeles Zoo, and while I prefer Philly both zoos have amazing animal collections in what I deem to be subpar exhibits. Philadelphia has decent big cat and bear complexes, but the entire rest of the zoo is either average or weak in terms of how the animals are displayed. I would definitely recommend this zoo due to the rare species that are within the collection, but I often think that it is almost pointless for a zoo to showcase exotic animals in below average enclosures. If given the choice I’m convinced that the vast majority of the zoo-going public would prefer to see naturalistic habitats containing mysterious creatures rather than indoor fish bowls where the occupants never even get to feel fresh air.

Postscript:

I always re-read my reviews at least once or twice before I post them, and I don’t want to be too cynical as I really enjoyed visiting the Philadelphia Zoo and as I said I would urge people to tour the grounds. One of my main issues with many of the American zoos that I’ve been visiting is that there are large mammals being kept indoors for their entire lives. Some folks on ZooChat don’t seem to mind that and they like to be able to easily see the animals if they are indoors with zero hiding places and large viewing windows for the public. I have no problem with many smaller mammals (golden lion tamarins, elephant shrews, lorises, etc) living in well-furnished enclosures with loads of natural substrate within a building. But in my mind highly active, intelligent, mid-sized mammals such as colobus monkeys, mangabeys, red pandas, Pallas’ cats, fossas, etc, should have some type of access to outdoor areas. It is an absolute tragedy that I have seen all of those species, and countless more, in many zoos where the animals are in tiny cubicles until they die. Even a tiny yard built adjacent to a building would suffice, as it would surely be better than seeing African rainforest primates bouncing around from tile to metal to glass without even knowing what grass is.
 
I think you are being a bit harsh on the Philadelphia Zoo.

The primate house is disappointing considering it's relatively new, but I don't think it's awful. I think it's getting penalized for something I've mentioned a few times on here, and that's having their indoor holdings visible to the public. Some people on here clearly rate exhibits better if they don't see the indoor holdings compared to a zoo with public indoor holdings that are no worse. I agree that the outdoor exhibits can be better and I'd rate them as being about average. The aye-aye exhibit is cool to see as well.

I think Big Cat Falls is a little better than you as well, but I know you don't like the use of the old building, which I don't mind as much.

I actually really enjoyed the McNeil Avian Center, and I'm not a big bird guy. I've had some of my best bird experiences there. It seems like part of your criticism for it is that there's nothing for non-bird lover, which I think is odd considering what it is. Did you expect there to be something for the non-bird lover? My date the other day actually loved it as well, and she was not anticipating that at all due to her apathy to birds. Maybe the big crowds had a negative effect on you in what can be a cramped aviary.

I think the zoo is pretty easily better than LA. However, that may be about to change.
 
@mweb08: I loved visiting the Philadelphia Zoo, but overall the level of exhibitry is not what it is at the truly great American zoos. At least we both agree that it is better than Los Angeles, which is a zoo that really disappointed me when I visited in 2008. I will quibble on one fact, and that is the new Primate House does actually show not just the indoor holding areas for some primates, but the ENTIRE exhibit for many of them. Squirrel monkeys, spectacled langurs, colobus monkeys and others have zero outdoor access at all, and so they are left living with metal bars, yellow steel frames and nothing but harsh cement and tile in all directions. There was some natural substrate in some of the enclosures, but that entire building is lifted directly from the 1960's.;)
 
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