Snowleopard's Florida Road Trip

Oh boy, this is fun! I happened to be on-line the very minute when snowleopard started uploading his DAK pictures, so I have stayed on-line ever since, checking out picture after picture as they appear! Only trouble is that I am in a different time zone and eventually it will get pretty late here in Sweden. Oh well, maybe he will take a lunch break so that I can go to bed, work tomorrow and catch up again tomorrow night? Don´t think my employer would like me to spend my entire working day browsing ZooChat... :o :p ;)

Anyway... also very interesting to read all the new posts coming in on this thread. "Disney" is indeed a strange and fascinating cultural phenomenon, especially for a European like me who hasn´t travelled a lot and never been to America.

And I can´t help but to be astonished by the fact that many hundreds of millions of dollars must have been poured into the creation of what is essentially (to 99 percent of the "paying customers") a 20-minute joy ride for vacationing thrill-seekers, albeit - almost as if by chance - with a zoological theme.

Please don´t be offended anyone, if I for the second time (I think) on this website use the expression "Only in America"....

Yes, indeed: ONLY IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool:

Now I gotta get back to check what new photos have been uploaded while I wrote this post...
 
Redpanda, please supply us with a link to the video on YouTube!

Mstickmanp has already given the links to these videos but if you are interested, then type into YouTube AK pangani trail then there is a 24 minute long tour and if you type in disney world maharaja jungle trek - full exhibit there are two 12-minute videos and finally disney's animal kingdom oasis has a few videos of a couple of minutes (I can't work out how to do links, hence the addresses). Also if you type in any other attraction that you are interested in, plus disney's animal kingdom, it generally comes up - although you sometimes have to change the wording round a bit.

And finally, in order to make comparisons between disney's safari and busch gardens', type into YouTube Busch Gardens Rhino Rally.

BTW, be sure to listen to the commentary. Whereas at Busch Gardens it seems pretty much all animal name and weight, animal kingdom's seems far more informal and interesting.

And sorry, Dan, for interrupting your browsing!
 
San Diego's gorilla exhibit is pretty good, except for the horrible view of the holding building wall with a pointless mural painted on it. LA's lacks any sense of mature forest, and is surrounded by some of the worst "mock rock" walls I've ever seen. Congo Gorilla Forest is the best, Seattle's still works beautifully, and I like it and Busch Gardens' gorilla habitat more than either of the California exhibits. Disney has more trees/shrubs, better disguised containment and a more exciting viewing situation (the wooden bridge) than LA or San Diego too. Just my opinion!

I most definitely like San Diego's gorilla exhibit better than Busch Gardens. I was really not as impressed with Myombe Reserve as I was with Gorilla Tropics. Every time I go to Busch about three times a year ,there are only two gorillas in view. They are always way at the other end of their field waiting by the door to go into their night house. I like Disney's better than Busch and LA's better than Disney's and san Dieo's better than LA's. I am sure that Bronx's Congo Gorilla Forest tops all of these.
 
And sorry, Dan, for interrupting your browsing!

No problem - I keep checking this thread at the same time that I look at the photos that snowleopard is constantly uploding. :D This is indeed a bit of an "interactive" experience - great fun!

Thanks for the links!

But the more I think about it, I am starting to view this "20-minute safari" as something of a "Monty Pythonesque-thing".

I don´t remember if I used the following phrase earlier in this thread or in a commentary to one of snowleopard´s newly uploaded pictures, but never mind... here I go again:

ONLY IN AMERICA!

Hundreds of millions of dollars spent to thrill sensation-seekers (as well as the odd but rightly dissatisfied zoo enthusiast) for 20 minutes ?!

In a sense it is almost disgusting.... and yet I keep being fascinated by every new picture shown. Come to think about it, I should probably shut up now and possibly come back with more thought through opinions in a day or two? :rolleyes:

Yep; think I will try to do that.
 
I've taken a break from uploading photos to find a plethora of comments and questions on many photos and on this thread. I've answered most of them by now via commenting on my Disney photos, and I enjoyed the input from others in regards to Busch Gardens and other zoological collections. For those that don't know it, there is another thread (although it is a massive one) called "Snowleopard's Epic Road Trip" that has reviews of 30 zoos and aquariums across North America from last summer. One last thing: I've noticed when I scan through the gallery that it appears that some photos are being repeated...and I have no idea why as everything is fine on my end and so perhaps Sim can eventually delete them from the system.
 
Not to rush you or anything, but I am extremely eager to read your review of Miami Metrozoo, and Jacksonville Zoo. It will be interesting to see what you think of two of the best South American Exhibits in the world. I think I will be visiting Miami Metrozoo at the end of this month so when I saw you rated 6 I was extremely excited as we have very similar taste in zoos, except when it comes to elephants. You and I both are huge San Diego fans, and you list two zoos that I have not been to but what kill to go to in your top 5 (Woodland Park and Bronx).
 
And finally, in order to make comparisons between disney's safari and busch gardens', type into YouTube Busch Gardens Rhino Rally.

BTW, be sure to listen to the commentary. Whereas at Busch Gardens it seems pretty much all animal name and weight, animal kingdom's seems far more informal and interesting.

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If you want a comparison you would need to find a video of the entire train safari at Busch Africa, as it is this which gives the info and covers the whole safari. Rhino rally covers a very small portion of the African plains and is essentially a ride that show cases a couple of animals before the bridge you are crossing gives way and cleverally carries your landrover down a river. Rhino rally is not trying to achieve the same goals as the kilimanjaro safari at AK
 
Hundreds of millions of dollars spent to thrill sensation-seekers (as well as the odd but rightly dissatisfied zoo enthusiast) for 20 minutes ?!

The thing is that Disney wanted to build a park inspired by the original Jungle Cruise ride at Disneyland. When the park was first built, the company clearly stated that they were not building a zoo. DAK is now well respected as a zoological facility, even though the company never intended to built a zoo. All this was mentioned in a special program about the park that aired on the Travel Channel a long time ago.
 
Interesting stuff. having read the thread, and watched the Youtube stuff, I have to say that DAK looks like, possibly, the most ghastly zoo in Christendom. For all the obvious reasons - no thank you! Give me a good, old-fashioned, Northern European zoo anyday. Tierpark Berlin may not believe in such new fangled ideas as enrichment, or much space for the animals, but at least it doesn't have inane commentary and over-excited people not being able to see an okapi.
 
Interesting stuff. having read the thread, and watched the Youtube stuff, I have to say that DAK looks like, possibly, the most ghastly zoo in Christendom. For all the obvious reasons - no thank you! Give me a good, old-fashioned, Northern European zoo anyday. Tierpark Berlin may not believe in such new fangled ideas as enrichment, or much space for the animals, but at least it doesn't have inane commentary and over-excited people not being able to see an okapi.

Go on scott tell us what you really think:p
 
And finally, in order to make comparisons between disney's safari and busch gardens', type into YouTube Busch Gardens Rhino Rally.

BTW, be sure to listen to the commentary. Whereas at Busch Gardens it seems pretty much all animal name and weight, animal kingdom's seems far more informal and interesting.

QUOTE]

If you want a comparison you would need to find a video of the entire train safari at Busch Africa, as it is this which gives the info and covers the whole safari. Rhino rally covers a very small portion of the African plains and is essentially a ride that show cases a couple of animals before the bridge you are crossing gives way and cleverally carries your landrover down a river. Rhino rally is not trying to achieve the same goals as the kilimanjaro safari at AK

Great videos, thanks for the links.
 
The thing is that Disney wanted to build a park inspired by the original Jungle Cruise ride at Disneyland. When the park was first built, the company clearly stated that they were not building a zoo. DAK is now well respected as a zoological facility, even though the company never intended to built a zoo. All this was mentioned in a special program about the park that aired on the Travel Channel a long time ago.

Didn't they use to use a fake african phrase called "Nahtazu" in advertisements? When said aloud, it says "Not a Zoo"...

Can't remember were I read this though...
 
Didn't they use to use a fake african phrase called "Nahtazu" in advertisements? When said aloud, it says "Not a Zoo"...

Can't remember were I read this though...

I, also, read this. It was in the first volume of a series of books called: Encyclopedia of the World's Zoos‎, by Catherine E. Bell.

If you want a comparison you would need to find a video of the entire train safari at Busch Africa, as it is this which gives the info and covers the whole safari. Rhino rally covers a very small portion of the African plains and is essentially a ride that show cases a couple of animals before the bridge you are crossing gives way and cleverally carries your landrover down a river. Rhino rally is not trying to achieve the same goals as the kilimanjaro safari at AK

I'm afraid i'm more read up on DAK than busch so thought that this was the main safari. Is the actual safari called the Serengeti Safari? If so, i have conducted a number of searches for it but all i can find is a 39 second long video of some people feeding giraffes. If you're interested, here it is: busch gardens africa safari, it's the fourth one down.

Or, are you talking about that ride all around the park - i think i have seen a video of that but i would have to find it.
 
I, also, read this. It was in the first volume of a series of books called: Encyclopedia of the World's Zoos‎, by Catherine E. Bell.



I'm afraid i'm more read up on DAK than busch so thought that this was the main safari. Is the actual safari called the Serengeti Safari? If so, i have conducted a number of searches for it but all i can find is a 39 second long video of some people feeding giraffes. If you're interested, here it is: busch gardens africa safari, it's the fourth one down.

Or, are you talking about that ride all around the park - i think i have seen a video of that but i would have to find it.

The train follows the perimeter of the serengeti safari but also then goes onto other areas of the park so is also its internal transport system. The giraffe feeding is an extra activity where you can pay about $50 to go and hand feed the giraffes and get a close up of some of the other animals. Both Seaworld and Busch gardens offer reasonably priced behind the scenes type tours I have done three of four of the seaworld ones which where very interesting and let you get a lot closer to the animals.
 
The train follows the perimeter of the serengeti safari but also then goes onto other areas of the park so is also its internal transport system. The giraffe feeding is an extra activity where you can pay about $50 to go and hand feed the giraffes and get a close up of some of the other animals. Both Seaworld and Busch gardens offer reasonably priced behind the scenes type tours I have done three of four of the seaworld ones which where very interesting and let you get a lot closer to the animals.

Thanks for the info. There are a number of videos of the train ride although none more than 7 minutes long - either the ride is very short or there isn't a good video. Most combinations involving the phrases "train ride" and "Busch Gardens" yield a result.

Now i will stop hijacking snowleopard's thread and turning this site into ZooTube!
 
Jacksonville Zoo & Gardens Review - 3.5 hours

The Jacksonville Zoo is set on a beautiful tract of land, with gorgeous plants and flowers in all directions. It's not a particularly large zoo, but there is a ton of potential there due to the upcoming Asian section that should be opening in bits and pieces over the next few years. There is already construction on what appears to be an Asian pavilion, and in 2009 a bamboo garden and komodo dragon exhibit both open...and then in the next few years there are proposals for gibbons, tigers, sun bears and more Asian species to be added to the zoo.

The Australian section of the zoo was closed due to renovation of the wallaby exhibit, and the cassowary was in hiding in its small enclosure.

The Best:

Range of the Jaguar - this is the best zoo in North America for South American animals, just shading it past Miami Metrozoo's brand new "Amazon & Beyond". Jacksonville has a superb jaguar exhibit that is photogenic as it contains a lush assortment of plants, a deep pool, crashing waterfalls and countless hiding opportunites for the big cats. One of the habitats isn't very large, but it does have a lot of vertical room for the jaguars. It's the best jaguar exhibit I've ever seen, and this zoo also has more of the big cats than any other zoo in North America.

The aviary full of South American birds is impressive and scenic; the giant otter enclosure is decent and comes with an extremely deep pool; the baird's tapir/black howler monkey/saki monkey/capybara exhibit is not large enough for its inhabitants; and the giant anteater/black howler monkey enclosure is okay for the anteaters but seriously lacks climbing limbs for the primates. The true gem of the South American section, besides the fountain, statues and tiny town atmosphere that is created at the entrance, is the Mayan Temple which holds a surprising number of glass-fronted exhibits. There are all sorts of primates, reptiles, amphibians and insects in nicely designed habitats that are set in a dark hallway with ancient-looking bricks all around the passageways. It would make a cool haunted house at Halloween, and it is a really neat way to showcase some of the fauna from the "new world".

Miami Metrozoo has the better giant anteater, giant river otter and harpy eagle exhibits, but Jacksonville has the better jaguar enclosure, walk-through aviary, and smaller reptile and amphibian tanks. It's a tough call, but these two zoos are the two best I've been to for South American animals.

Plains of East Africa - this section of the zoo has an impressively long boardwalk that takes visitors past a series of spacious, naturalistic habitats. The nile crocodile, cheetah, cape buffalo and warthog enclosures are good but average; the bongo/ground hornbill/impala paddock is outstanding as it is enormous; and the 2.5 acre white rhino/ostrich/antelope habitat is also extremely large for an urban zoo. The reptile house is tiny and average at best, and the elephant paddock is also too ordinary and bare for the world's largest land mammals. The leopard and colobus monkey exhibits are also fairly routine, but overall the African section of the zoo has a large variety of species (including being the only North American zoo to showcase Africa's "big five") and I really enjoyed the boardwalk that curves around many of the enclosures. The 2.5 acre giraffe/kudu exhibit is also a real highlight of the zoo.

Play Park - the kids zoo here is top notch, with a cool river otter exhibit, a fantastic yet small squirrel monkey enclosure, a splash zone park, hedge mazes, a discovery building, and a playground. Built in 2006 and an impressive addition to the zoo.

The Average:

Wild Florida - some of the enclosures in this section of the zoo are pitifully small, and the mountain lions, black bears, bobcat and river otters all have very little room to explore. However, the reptiles and amphibians on display are varied and well exhibited, and enclosures for alligators, bald eagles, whooping cranes, white-tailed deer and red wolves are all adequate. A so-so area of the zoo that should have been more impressive as it showcases the native flora and fauna that surround the zoo.

The Worst:

Great Apes - a diabolical gorilla enclosure is the first thing to greet visitors as they stroll down the path from the end of the zoo. I covered up the exhibit's sign and got my wife to guess what animal resided in the large field. She was choosing any number of antelope or species of deer before I uncovered the gorilla sign. The zookeeper there told us that there are only 3 gorillas at the zoo, and a large male silverback spends 24-7 alone and never is put in with the other 2 gorillas due to conflict. This lone male has a quite large enclosure, but it is flat as a pancake and contains zero climbing opportunities, zero browse, and thus the great ape was leaning against the ugly cement wall and continually pounding his palm against his grey backdrop. Brutal, boring surroundings for such a splendid creature.

The bonobos have an enclosure that has a small climbing platform and then a lot of flat grassland surrounded by a massive grey wall. The second gorilla habitat is much more lushly planted than the first enclosure, but all the trees are hotwired and so once again it's basically a barren field. The lemurs also have an awful enclosure, the siamangs are surrounded by ugly wire, and the one truly impressive habitat is for the mandrills. Those lucky monkeys have loads of hiding places, climbing opportunities and rocky outlooks in the only decent primate exhibit at the zoo.

Overall:

After passing through the excellent African and South American sections of this zoo, and admiring the nicely planted gardens, I was prepared to rate this establishment very high on my list of great collections. However, the primate area is devoid of life and needs to be drastically overhauled, and the Florida section is disappointing due to the lack of space given to many of the animals. I'd have to say that about 60% of the zoo is above average and very impressive, while the other 40% could use some work and refurbishment. It's well worth visiting and better than the majority of the zoos in North America, but not yet a contender for the upper echelon of truly great collections.
 
Is Jacksonville's better than Seattle for jaguars? It seems like Seattle has the best because there is no mesh and is not all temple-like.
 
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