Parque de la Naturaleza de Cabarceno Somali wild ass

okapikpr said:
The US population of Somali Wild Ass is expanding this year with the addition of many institutions. The following institutions will be holding SWA in the next year (*new holder):

White Oak Conservation Center
CRC - Front Royal, VA*
Bronx Zoo*
Shadow Nursery (Winchester, TN)
St Louis Zoo
Los Angeles Zoo*
SDWAP


The Oklahoma City Zoo will no longer be holding SWA (due to Asia construction?) and are sending them to other zoos.
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hi okapikpr,

Is not White Oak now holding a breeding group?

Re the Bill Gruenerwald collection ... Any chance that those kulan and onager they had might somehow be integrated back into the AZA SSP (maybe by USFWS ... intervention)?

Regards,

Jelle
 
White Oak does have a breeding herd, however our new male received from Marwell is not fully matured. So we are to receive a breeding male from St Louis until our male is old enough.

About the Gruenerwald collection, USFWS probably would not intervene...they really wouldnt have any jurisdiction over any transaction from this facility..unless it was an international transaction. I also dont have any news from here.
 
okapikpr said:
White Oak does have a breeding herd, however our new male received from Marwell is not fully matured. So we are to receive a breeding male from St Louis until our male is old enough.

About the Gruenerwald collection, USFWS probably would not intervene...they really wouldnt have any jurisdiction over any transaction from this facility..unless it was an international transaction. I also dont have any news from here.
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Any idea on numbers for them in zoos worldwide
 
Safari Park said:
I'm a private individual and i try to keep up with these kinds of animals. I have seen the Nubian Wild Asses from Catskill, they were moved to another private facility and are doing great. I'm not sure about the genetic diversity in those animals but they are all healthy anways. As for CCES it is almost unbelievable what has happened to the collection that Bill Gruenerwald spent his life building. Quite a few have ended up at San Diego but nearly all of the Hartmann's, Grevys, Kulans, P-horses have ended up with one facility and are being dispearced througout the country. Most of these places have no idea what a Kulan is and i've been told quite a few time the males were so hard to handle they were shot. I tried to acquire a great deal of these animals but large amounts of $$$ are the only thing on their minds.
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What is actually the CCES disbandment story and why can these endangered wild ass be traded?

I am pretty sure that this constitutes an infringement on all stipulated CITES regulations - which not only apply across nations, but also in-country to sell these for profit (or is the Bush admin to blame for a lacklustre endangered species enactment)-?
 
I dont quite think, I can be very wrong though - but remember we are talking about America, selling an endangered species is an infringement on CITES regulations. I know the parties involved must have permits to hold such animals, which are not to hard to obtain if you give the USFWS a reasonable reason, ie captive propagation, education, research (very broad reasons).

Quote from CITES website:
Do animals that were bred in captivity also require permits?
Yes. However, if a commercial breeder of a CITES Appendix-I species fulfils certain conditions and is registered with the CITES Secretariat, specimens from the breeding operation may be treated as if they are of Appendix-II species, meaning that they can be traded commercially (permit requirement is not waived). If the animals were not bred for commercial purposes they may be traded simply with a certificate of captive breeding
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Animal laws are relatively relaxed in the US compared to other western nations. This is not a reason (one of the few) to blame the Bush Administration, but more capitalistic America...these procedures have been around quite awhile.

I dont know the full CCES story, but Im sure the owner is older in age and may want to retire...this is what I assume, like the Catskill Game Farm.
 
okapikpr said:
I dont quite think, I can be very wrong though - but remember we are talking about America, selling an endangered species is an infringement on CITES regulations. I know the parties involved must have permits to hold such animals, which are not to hard to obtain if you give the USFWS a reasonable reason, ie captive propagation, education, research (very broad reasons).

Quote from CITES website:


Animal laws are relatively relaxed in the US compared to other western nations. This is not a reason (one of the few) to blame the Bush Administration, but more capitalistic America...these procedures have been around quite awhile.

I dont know the full CCES story, but Im sure the owner is older in age and may want to retire...this is what I assume, like the Catskill Game Farm.
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OK, thanx for clearing that up. I still think it is peculiar that a collection of endangered equids is being actioned off for top dollar. I hope you may understand that one.

Besides if captive-breeding where the aim why have quite a few receiving collectors/ locations shot their stallions. This could be termed an animal welfare infringement - a measure of how these wild equids are being improperly handled or kept by the new location(s) -. Perhaps then, it really does not constitute a captive-breeding project at all ...?

What is the SSP Equid TAG stance on the CCES/Gruenerwald disbandment? Have there been any approaches from the AZA zoo community to absorb individuals from them?
 
To clear up some of the understanding, the collection was sent to alot of dealers who were willing to take great number of these animals and they were the ones with $ in mind. The AZA community for the most part doesn't care about these animals. How many vistors care to see a herd of kulan, kiang, takhi, and onager. The animals they want to see are zebras(Grevy's and Hartmann's) and many zoos recieved them and will be recieving more but for the most part there were 600-700+ equids how many institutions could take that many animals. Most zoos don't breed zebras or others as lack of space and interest
 
I do not understand that makes this thread here, it´s must be at general forum.:)
 
Frankly, Europe could support hundreds or thousands of wild horses, kulan and Somali wild ass. Only release them in open wildlife reserves with need of grazing.

Kulan and wild ass as replacements of extinct European wild ass (Equus hydruntinus) which was actually more related to kulans than true asses.

There are some projects just outside Berlin, elsewhere in Germany and in Hungarian steppes. Could be more. What about Somali asses somewhere in Spanish steppes? or even in Morocco? Wild asses lived in North Africa until Roman times.
 
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