Southport Zoo Mandrills.
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mjmorg89
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Yes i heard that, but apparently something went wrong there as well and i don't think they could get a license to open, don't quote me on that though as i read about it a while ago and i can't remember where. I think people like them should never be allowed to keep animals again
zoogiraffe
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They did move to a falconry centre and are still running it as a falconry centre they applied to have a zoo licence for the site but were turned down.
thanks hornbill. Not bad pictures- I imagine that's the male they got from America(they imported 2.2 to add new blood to the group-he is dead now but his son is the breeding male at Trotters World of Animals)
Despite the fairly basic housing, Southport were quite famous for their Mandrills, they bred loads of them over the years- all starting with a single pair they(accidentally I think) obtained from a dealer...
Despite the fairly basic housing, Southport were quite famous for their Mandrills, they bred loads of them over the years- all starting with a single pair they(accidentally I think) obtained from a dealer...
keeper19er
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Not sure if anyone will be interested but found the original notes that were taken for the paper that was produced for IZN based on the mandrills at Southport.
At the time the notes were written there were 12 mandrill at Southport. 2.2 on the American side
and 3.5 on the other side.
american side consitsted of
Name/ Sex/ Date of birth.
Charlie M DoB = 07/06/96 Dominant
Kalvin M DoB = 18/09/97
Mich F DoB = 04/09/99
Miki F DoB = 13/04/95
Large Group
Name/ Sex/ Date of birth.
Markus M DoB = 15/09/94 Dominant
Whitebell F DoB = Jan 83
Pixie F DoB = 20/01/87
Della F DoB = 03/10/92 (mother of Tofu and Millie)
Millie F DoB = 14/11/00
Male 1 M DoB = 24/09/95
Male 2 M DoB = 08/12/00 (Son of Tofu)
Tofu F DoB = 22/03/97
found some pics as well so will try to upload them. Got a nice one of Mica
At the time the notes were written there were 12 mandrill at Southport. 2.2 on the American side
and 3.5 on the other side.
american side consitsted of
Name/ Sex/ Date of birth.
Charlie M DoB = 07/06/96 Dominant
Kalvin M DoB = 18/09/97
Mich F DoB = 04/09/99
Miki F DoB = 13/04/95
Large Group
Name/ Sex/ Date of birth.
Markus M DoB = 15/09/94 Dominant
Whitebell F DoB = Jan 83
Pixie F DoB = 20/01/87
Della F DoB = 03/10/92 (mother of Tofu and Millie)
Millie F DoB = 14/11/00
Male 1 M DoB = 24/09/95
Male 2 M DoB = 08/12/00 (Son of Tofu)
Tofu F DoB = 22/03/97
found some pics as well so will try to upload them. Got a nice one of Mica
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Yes, I am very interested in this. Thanks for listing them.
You don't happen to know which ones went to Trotters and which to Heythrop do you. I believe the male 'Charlie'(son of Mica?) is at Trotters along with females which may have come from the larger (original) group but have no other details.
keeper19er
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have to bare with me. just trying to compare my orininal notes with those on isis.
your assumption however about charlie being placed with the females from the other group is correct.
Apparently Markus was sent to Colchester zoo (according to ISIS.)
at present i have
Della
Millie
Tofu
Charlie
Unknown Female date of birth 14/06/02 Sire = Markus. Dam = Tofu
Unknown Male date of birth 28/09/03 Sire = Markus. Dam = Tofu.
Still looking for the ohthers on my original paperwork.
your assumption however about charlie being placed with the females from the other group is correct.
Apparently Markus was sent to Colchester zoo (according to ISIS.)
at present i have
Della
Millie
Tofu
Charlie
Unknown Female date of birth 14/06/02 Sire = Markus. Dam = Tofu
Unknown Male date of birth 28/09/03 Sire = Markus. Dam = Tofu.
Still looking for the ohthers on my original paperwork.
Thanks. Unfortunately I can't access the more detailed ISIS information. It would be excellent to know exactly which animals from Southport went to Trotters & which ones went to Heythrop.
keeper19er
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I think there must be a mistake here. Are you certain you got millie as I dont think you have?. I have looked back at trotters using the in depth isis and they have only southport mandrill with the birthdate of 14/11/2000
Baring in mind that the notes I originally have with these dates of births on were written in 2001 by me using Southport zoos record cards. and there was only one born on 14/11/2000
Trotters also list six more mandrills. 5 apparently appeared on 1st January 2006 and one in march 07.
I was unable to find out about the rest, but between you guys and some earlier posts here it seems as though the unacounted ones went to heythorp.
I must point out though that I left in 2001 so do not know how many were around when they were finally moved off.
One of the things I am finding to my dislike more and more often on this forum is statements of fact from people who clearly don't know. I will try and type what, I think, I can remember. This was 5 years ago.
1.3 Mandrills arrived as a group from Southport at Heythrop. The male being Kelvin. Miki and Mich being two of the females and another much younger one (cant remember name) who was very strongly bonded to the one of the older two.
On the day of arrival or shortly after the then girlfriend of the person who fed and cleaned them came round with friends and between them gave names. Cookie & Molly? and something else. Cookie Im pretty sure being the name given to the young female.
Before the 1.3 arrived there was 2.2 Skip (dom. male) Xena and Millie, and seperated male Jackson.
I could possibly have my Millies and Mollys mixed up. Anyway only Kelvin retained his original Southport name.
1.3 Mandrills arrived as a group from Southport at Heythrop. The male being Kelvin. Miki and Mich being two of the females and another much younger one (cant remember name) who was very strongly bonded to the one of the older two.
On the day of arrival or shortly after the then girlfriend of the person who fed and cleaned them came round with friends and between them gave names. Cookie & Molly? and something else. Cookie Im pretty sure being the name given to the young female.
Before the 1.3 arrived there was 2.2 Skip (dom. male) Xena and Millie, and seperated male Jackson.
I could possibly have my Millies and Mollys mixed up. Anyway only Kelvin retained his original Southport name.
Mandrills at Heythrop & Trotters.
Its certainly confusing....
Do you know where the previous 2.2. Mandrills at Heythrop originated from and are any of those still present now?
It seems Heythrop received 1.3 of the 'American' line Mandrills from Southport including a daughter of one of the two other females(probably Miki's) Miki is the only survivor of the 2.2 they imported from American zoos,(Mica, Miki, Bill, Opal) the others were born from these.
I would like to know exactly which ones Heythrop still have if anyone knows.
The name 'Millie' has possibly been used for more than one animal.
Trotters- I believe a number have been born there from the original Southport animals they received (Charlie(mica x miki) plus females from the original Southport group)- possibly this is the reason for the increase shown on ISIS?
Again, I would be interested if anyone can confirm exactly which the founder animals at Trotters were.
Its certainly confusing....
Do you know where the previous 2.2. Mandrills at Heythrop originated from and are any of those still present now?
It seems Heythrop received 1.3 of the 'American' line Mandrills from Southport including a daughter of one of the two other females(probably Miki's) Miki is the only survivor of the 2.2 they imported from American zoos,(Mica, Miki, Bill, Opal) the others were born from these.
I would like to know exactly which ones Heythrop still have if anyone knows.
The name 'Millie' has possibly been used for more than one animal.
Trotters- I believe a number have been born there from the original Southport animals they received (Charlie(mica x miki) plus females from the original Southport group)- possibly this is the reason for the increase shown on ISIS?
Again, I would be interested if anyone can confirm exactly which the founder animals at Trotters were.
twycrosszoo
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Southport zoo was not actually closed down by the council. There was a "mix-up" by their lawyer who failed to renew the lease which led to the site having to close. Doug and Carol have a long list of establishments they have worked in including Flamingo Park, St Asaph Zoo, Wellingborough etc and to be fair to them they ran a very nice little collection which was hampered by a lack of space and a theme park in the background. As to leaving zoos in the hands of bigger and wealthier organisations I can only dis-agree entirely with that comment. We have had many so called "tinpot" zoos which have been excellently run i.e Kilverstone, Hamerton, Banham etc. I know Kilverstone closed down but that was due to the lack of visitors not due to the state of the collection which was first rate including species we may never see again on these shores including Pampas cat, Tassle eared marmosets etc. The big zoos with all their money are not always the best run or the best to utilise it.!!!
Waddi
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Speaking to Jim Clubb yesterday at Heythrops open day, we spoke about the 2 Mandrills that were held there, he told me that they were 1.1 called Jackson and Millie and that Millie was ex-Southport and the other ex-southport Mandrills had gone to Budapest.
Does that clear anything up or does it just add a piece to the puzzle.
Does that clear anything up or does it just add a piece to the puzzle.
It does explain a bit more but begs a few more questions too;
Other people on here have said Heythrop received 'several' Mandrills from Southport. Have some since died or did they in fact only ever receive one(Millie)?
Where did 'Jackson' come from? And have they only currently got a pair?
If some were sent from Southport to Budapest, it would explain what happened to the others Southport still held when they closed. One small group(1.3?) went to Trotters World of Animals where they have since increased considerably, but apart from Heythrop, Mandrills from Southport didn't reappear at any other UK collections. (apart from a handraised female that went earlier to the Welsh Monkey Sanctuary)