Spec. Zoo Design questions

Paul.Haerle said:
Is it possible to keep other birds than peafowl free without clipped wings in a zoo?
I know it works with other galliformes (Eared pheasants, Helmted Guineafowl, Wild Turkeys).
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Some zoos keep their flamingos unclipped, this does occasionally lead to one taking off and leaving though.
 
Is it reasonable and doable for a North American spec zoo to hold Mountain Tapir and Asian Pangolin (Chinese or Sunda). These species have no problem kept in captivity, but the Mountain Tapir is not sustainable, Asian Pangolin is currently absent in North America, and imports might be legally restricted
 
Mr Gharial said:
Tinamous and rheas of course. I don't know how "loyal" pelicans, geese and swans would be, but those could certainly be options.

I know Wildlands' squirrel monkeys, for example, can fully leave the zoo grounds but don't because they want to stay close to their food source, and Avifauna does have a few fully flighted pelicans free-roaming, but they presumably stay in the zoo because of the rest of the (non-flighted) pelicans that have to stay in the lake. Beekse Bergen, on the other hand, has had issues with a few of their pelicans escaping very often.

Apenheul has free-flying macaws that technically stay close, but "close" in this scenario does include the entire city of Apeldoorn
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I found escapee stories from two other zoos with free-ranging pelicans, Artis and Pairi Daiza. I don't know what the set-up art Artis is, although one of the articles did mention they did trim the flight feathers of their pelicans, but did not do it in time at least once. I'm not sure whether Pairi Daiza has any non-flighted pelicans, but they might. They also have very large lakes and a "hub" area for pelicans with holding where they presumably are fed.

It seems like even in an close to ideal as possible set-up having flighted pelicans still carries substantial risks.
 
KevinB said:
I found escapee stories from two other zoos with free-ranging pelicans, Artis and Pairi Daiza. I don't know what the set-up art Artis is, although one of the articles did mention they did trim the flight feathers of their pelicans, but did not do it in time at least once. I'm not sure whether Pairi Daiza has any non-flighted pelicans, but they might. They also have very large lakes and a "hub" area for pelicans with holding where they presumably are fed.

It seems like even in an close to ideal as possible set-up having flighted pelicans still carries substantial risks.
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There was also an escaped pelican of Planckendael some years ago. The animal was saved by the fire department of Mechelen the day after.
 
Should outdoor aviaries that house tropical birds like fruit doves, cocks-of-the-rock or birds-of-paradise in warm weather months have a winter stock?
 
Paul.Haerle said:
Should outdoor aviaries that house tropical birds like fruit doves, cocks-of-the-rock or birds-of-paradise in warm weather months have a winter stock?
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In a European climate these type of largely non-cold tolerant tropical birds would only use their outdoor space for a few months out of the year, so an indoor area close to as large, if not larger and with similar amenities than the outdoor space would be desirable. Ideally an indoor visitor/viewing space would also be present.
 
Would something like the Grand Reef at Discovery Cove or Predator Lagoon at Atlantis Paradise Island work in a climate like SE Texas' (paticularly in Sugar Land)? Perhaps said setup could contain colder water species?
 
Would a 12m x 20m x 6m open-top outdoor enclosure (excluding indoor enclosures) be enough for a troop of 6 Javan Langurs?
 
How dangerous does a primate have to be to be able to be in a walk thru exhibit, because I have commonly seen lemurs, Tamarins, Marmosets, Saki which are considered reasonably safe, but at London zoo they have colobus, and at trentham they have Barbary macaques, where is the line drawn?
 
Iguana_Cabana said:
Would something like the Grand Reef at Discovery Cove or Predator Lagoon at Atlantis Paradise Island work in a climate like SE Texas' (paticularly in Sugar Land)? Perhaps said setup could contain colder water species?
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There would be some challenges. To maintain large outdoor, cold-water exhibits, you would need industrial-grade chillers, insulated tanks/lagoons, and shading. The operational costs would be too large. A more practical option would be a warm/tropical marine lagoon that could focus on the Gulf of Mexico (semi-outdoors)>
Mossman Joe said:
Would a 12m x 20m x 6m open-top outdoor enclosure (excluding indoor enclosures) be enough for a troop of 6 Javan Langurs?
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It would be on the smaller end. 325-500 sq. m would be better. If it's open-topped, there should be no leaping points near the boundaries and it would have an overhang
DCzootripper said:
How dangerous does a primate have to be to be able to be in a walk thru exhibit, because I have commonly seen lemurs, Tamarins, Marmosets, Saki which are considered reasonably safe, but at London zoo they have colobus, and at trentham they have Barbary macaques, where is the line drawn?
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The risk should be somewhat low and the welfare of the animals shouldn't be compromised. Most macaques, baboons, guenons, langurs, great apes, gibbons, and primates with zoonotic risks wouldn't work
 
Iguana_Cabana said:
Could a Great Barrier Reef/South Pacific/Hawaii/ or Galápagos themed one work?
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The Great Barrier Reef/South Pacific/Hawaii would work (I would personally do the Great Barrier Reef or Melanesia theme). For the Galapagos, the marine species live in cooler water due to the Humboldt Current so that wouldn't be suitable
 
Question regarding SSPs and other breeding value.
Is there any preference in the AZA between Bornean and Sumatran Orangutans, and if so is the preference based in the same kind of distribution as tree-kangaroos and sifaka (particular species focused in Europe, others in North America), or is there another reason?
 
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