Species no longer held/nearly gone from US zoos
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Thanks! I thought that wasn't definite, but I guess not.
Can you post the text to this article? It is behind a pay-wall. Thanks!
I don't think any zoos are currently keeping Ruffed Grouse, although I have seen the species at multiple collections in the past.
It's not pay-walled for me!
Posting the entire article would not be permissible, but here are the opening paragraphs containing a summary of all relevant information:
The National Zoo said Monday that all three of its giant pandas will be going to China at the end of 2023, according to a new agreement struck with Chinese officials.
The agreement grants a three-year extension to the stay of the adult giant pandas, Mei Xiang, a female, and Tian Tian, a male, who have been at the zoo for 20 years, the zoo said.
But they and their 4-month-old cub, Xiao Qi Ji, a male, are to go to China by the end of the extension on Dec. 7, 2023.
The article is two years old, so this is not "new" news!
I'd be strongly inclined to disbelieve you on this point, given a) your lack of a source b) your general record of reliability and c) the unlikelihood of a species as massive as Clawless breeding with Short-clawed rather than feeding *on* them.
Do any US facilities hold northern tamandua or is it all southern?
All southern.
I asked a friend from college who who formerly worked at this facility. I don't remember what species of otter the African clawless otters hybridized with, but I assumed that it is the Asian small-clawed otter because it is the only other species in the genus.
EDIT: I googled it and was wrong. There is another animal in the genus.
I am on vacation for the holidays so I have not been regularly checking the thread for updates. Just because I haven't presented a source doesn't mean I don't have one. Also, more out of curiosity than anything, when have I posted information that was false. There are a few instances where I have posted my interpretation of facts, which may not have been the right move. I don't think it makes my statements false. They just need to be explained.
In this forum, I wrote that Pacific white-sided dolphins had a decreasing population. I am and was aware of the current status of the population, but think that this will not be the long term trajectory because of United States representatives like Adam Schiff and Jared Huffman, who frequently introduce legislation that has growing support with each new congress.
Also, there are several cases where I am taking incorrect information from the forum and stating it again, incorrectly. I don't think it fair to say that what I post should be thrown into question in the way you suggest when it isn't criticized elsewhere. Mentions of red slender lorises and Sumatran elephants in the United States come to mind.
I am not denying that I have made mistakes, but I encourage you to think about how there is a common interest between all Zoochatters, no matter how much knowledge of wildlife and zoos we possess. It is disheartening to see that I, and a couple others as I've noticed, who have interest in acquiring more knowledge are met with condescending statements, instead of welcome. This is only how I interpreted your claim, and I could be making a big deal out of nothing, but it doesn't not make my suggestion to Zoochatters any less valid because more serious issues involving mocking and rude commentary are not infrequent here.
If it is preferred, I will stop using this website.
Cough
In the same post no less. Yes you have edited with a correction, but that really didn't help your argument about posting incorrect information.
You posted an assumption, not a fact. The population is currently doing about as good as it can be right now, and given there is not currently any legislation to prevent breeding your original statement is not exactly grounded as the population is not declining.
Read around before you post on stuff like this. Often things like this may be discussed in one area but not another. It is not uncommon for things to slip by and mistakes made by people not seeing it at the time.
As a new member here, you need to give us a reason to trust you about information without sources. People who are trusted here have spent years creating that trust with the community. You have made numerous incorrect claims about holders since joining, almost all of which are easy to disprove by searching the forum.
The entire second part of your post is pointless, given your glaring error in the first part. You took info from someone at a place with a bad reputation to begin with, forgot what they had said (so why would you trust you on the part you say you remember?) and then made an incorrect statement. Another thing this week that caught my attention:
That isn't what you had written. That is what you edited the post to say, after Neil said something. Editing a post doesn't change what's in a quote if you edit it after the quoted part is posted. Instead of saying you forgot to include that part or something similar, you made it out to sound like Neil hadn't read what you wrote.
What are some examples of you stating incorrect information that you had seen on here?
You have been here for two months. You do not know the dynamics between members, things that have been said in the past, how people come about their information. In addition to that, David is a moderator here, he does not say anything lightly.
It seems to me as if the population isn't doing as well as it could be, because of the five? deaths in the past couple of years.
This doesn't make sense to me. I and I am sure everyone else on the planet sometimes forgets little details that are a part of a true statement. I do remember that these animals are hybrids, but am foggy on the details concerning the second species.
I had already written "I will fix this" and I try not to use the same exact wording when stating the same thing because it becomes tedious, to me at least. I do know that the bare-eyed pigeon is behind-the-scenes, as I just made a donation of $300 to the zoo so that I could see it.
Another example would be how the population of "blue-crowned" motmots in the United States is unidentified because of new species splits.
An entire species isn't a "little detail", though, given where we are! If you're not sure, try not to speculate.
I'm not understanding your first sentence here. Paying to see animals BTS is a pretty frowned-upon thing here.
Corangurilla
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Why?
Because it makes it much harder for anyone else to see the animals, now that a precedent has been set for a price point. The same as any other well-off person paying for some sort of special exclusive thing somewhere.
Corangurilla
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Ok, that answers my question. Don't do bribery, kids.