Species you'd like to see in zoos

Brayden Delashmutt said:
Marbled Cat

Flat Headed Cat

Saiga

Chiru

Sumatran Rhinoceros

Andean Cat

Pampas Cat

Short Eared Dog

Crab Eating Fox

Chinese Mountain Cat

Lowland Streaked Tenrec
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Brayden Delashmutt said:
Which species? I’d like to know more
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Marbled cats were at a private facility in England until just a year or two ago. There are a fair handful scattered about Asian facilities and this is one that might turn up again.

ifesbob said:
Saiga have been tried and failed in zoos because they're skittish, I don't know more detail or about the others
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This is incorrect. One of the biggest issues with the Saigas kept in North America and Europe was their sensitivity to climatic factors. They dislike cold and humid, and it causes health issues which they are very prone to. Saiga are also extremely prone to parasite infection. Several places that formerly kept saigas had breeding success but very low infant survival rates. Added on with shortened lifespans of the adults due to other issues mentioned and most groups didn't last all that long.

Corangurilla said:
Sumatran Rhino only has 80 something individuals left in the world. The last one to be kept at a public zoo was transferred to Asia to help the population.
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Harapan at Cincinnati, the last of several rhinos in both NA and Europe. Seems crazy to think this was still less than a decade ago...
Sumatran Rhino is unlikely to ever return unless something extremely major turns around for the species.

Pampas cat has been kept on both continents in the not too distant past, I think it was mostly lack of interest that saw them disappear.

Streaked Tenrecs have also been kept on both continents, I think Europe has only just recently lost them. My understanding is the conditions for successful breeding were not often met, and as such breeding was limited.

I do know Flat-headed Cat, Andean Cat, Chinese Mountain Cat, Short-eared Dog, and Crab-eating Fox have all been kept in Europe at least occasionally within the last century. Chiru is the only species I'm not aware of having been kept.
 
Great Argus said:
Marbled cats were at a private facility in England until just a year or two ago. There are a fair handful scattered about Asian facilities and this is one that might turn up again.



This is incorrect. One of the biggest issues with the Saigas kept in North America and Europe was their sensitivity to climatic factors. They dislike cold and humid, and it causes health issues which they are very prone to. Saiga are also extremely prone to parasite infection. Several places that formerly kept saigas had breeding success but very low infant survival rates. Added on with shortened lifespans of the adults due to other issues mentioned and most groups didn't last all that long.



Harapan at Cincinnati, the last of several rhinos in both NA and Europe. Seems crazy to think this was still less than a decade ago...
Sumatran Rhino is unlikely to ever return unless something extremely major turns around for the species.

Pampas cat has been kept on both continents in the not too distant past, I think it was mostly lack of interest that saw them disappear.

Streaked Tenrecs have also been kept on both continents, I think Europe has only just recently lost them. My understanding is the conditions for successful breeding were not often met, and as such breeding was limited.

I do know Flat-headed Cat, Andean Cat, Chinese Mountain Cat, Short-eared Dog, and Crab-eating Fox have all been kept in Europe at least occasionally within the last century. Chiru is the only species I'm not aware of having been kept.
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Surely with Chiru I would imagine there would be a similar problem to Saiga with foreign climate / parasites?

+Altitude too?
 
Great Argus said:
I do know Flat-headed Cat, Andean Cat, Chinese Mountain Cat, Short-eared Dog, and Crab-eating Fox have all been kept in Europe at least occasionally within the last century. Chiru is the only species I'm not aware of having been kept.
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Crab-eating fox were kept and bred at London Zoo in the 1960s
 
There have historically been crab-eating fox in the US as well (referenced in Alan Green's "Animal Underworld"). Not beyond the realm of possibility that the species could be reestablished - I'd say lack of interest to make it worth the expense and permit hassle is the main issue. It was lack of interest that caused them to fade out in the first place, if I recall correctly.
 
There are a few I'd like to see, but most are unrealistic due to multiple factors like climate, altitude, and simply rarity. Still, hopefully I'll see these guys somewhere someday.

Tibetan Sand Fox (highly unlikely due to climate and altitude)

Ruppell's Fox (Possible, seeing as Fennec Fox and Bat-Eared Fox do well)

Maned Rat (I'm not sure if these could or would end up in captivity, but I would love to see them)

Darwin's Fox (Maybe? Not sure what they're current status is, pretty sure they're rare)

Culpeo (I know they've been in a few European collections, can't recall which, however)

Diademed Sifaka (Unlikely, I believe they were held in some collections during the 1950's or 60's)

Indri (Unlikely, they were kept in Jardin des Plantes but I have no other info besides that)

Marbled Cat (Posssible, using info above, some Asian zoos and private collections obtain them)

Fork-Marked Lemurs (Pale & Masoala, not sure of eithers status in captivity, I'll say unlikely)

Eastern Falanouc (Highly unlikely, for what I know, they've never been kept in captivity)

Spotted Linsang (I know of one posted on here from Chengdu Zanhuayan Zoo, lived in some really crappy conditions and I think it died)

Chinese Mountain Cat (Hihgly unlikely, apprently a few were kept in Asian collections but that's about it)
 
Tibetan Sand Fox: Was kept at Amsterdam in 1892

Ruppell's Fox : Was kept at 9 ZTL collections

Maned Rat: Was kept at 7 ZTL collections I have seen one at a European zoo.

Culpeo: Was kept at 2 ZTL collections

Diademed Sifaka: Was kept at London Zoo. One was kept at the Duke University Lemur Center until 2012

Indri: It was kept at a zoo in Madagascar a few years ago. I saw an enclosure in the Andasibe Reserve, which kept indris to see if they could be exported. All the indris died.

Marbled Cat: It was kept behind the scenes at Howletts

Flat-headed cat: Was kept in 5 ZTL collections

Fork-Marked Lemurs: I saw one at Paris Vincennes in 1988.

Spotted Linsang: Was kept at 3 ZTL collections

Chinese Mountain Cat: Was kept at 3 ZTL collections
 
Newt said:
Indri (Unlikely, they were kept in Jardin des Plantes but I have no other info besides that)
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The indri in Paris have been discussed elsewhere on ZooChat; "eight or ten" were acquired by the Jardin des Plantes Menagerie in 1939 but, sadly, all died within a month.

More recently, San Diego had a short lived indri between 4th and 11th September 1965.
 
Have there been any specific investigations or studies into why Indri continually haven't been successful? Diet is the main factor I've heard cited, but what's the reason there? Most folivores have been successful with the right knowledge, but Indri seems to be something more.
 
Great Argus said:
Have there been any specific investigations or studies into why Indri continually haven't been successful? Diet is the main factor I've heard cited, but what's the reason there? Most folivores have been successful with the right knowledge, but Indri seems to be something more.
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Yeah, I’d be curious as well. Surely they wouldn’t all die that quickly if diet was the only factor?
 
Dassie rat said:
Ruppell's Fox : Was kept at 9 ZTL collections
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There are Ruppell's fox in Europe and any European zoo could acquire them if they want. But when planning for a small African canid Fennecs are for several reasons the easier choice.
 
Apart from zoo nerds most people will consider a spotty cat, a spotty cat or a small grey fox, a small grey fox.

Unless they are in some conservation need, the days of box ticking as many species as possible are, for the visitor and the zoo, thankfully long gone.
 
I would have to say :
' White' Tigers ( I know it's a mutation , there just beautiful creatures)
Water Buffalo
Springbok
Beaver ( American or European)
Giant Panda
Silky Anteater
Tayra
Red Wolf
Blue Wildebeest
Pangolins ( any species)
And finally : Orcas, Honey Badgers and Manatees
 
Brayden Delashmutt said:
In addition to the ones you've stated, a few species I'd like to see in European and North American zoos would be these:

Marbled Cat

Flat Headed Cat

Saiga

Chiru

Sumatran Rhinoceros

Andean Cat

Pampas Cat

Short Eared Dog

Crab Eating Fox

Chinese Mountain Cat

Lowland Streaked Tenrec
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There used to be saiga around but there was a huge stink when an animal from Oklahoma Zoo ended up at a livestock auction. In days before microchips it could be hard to identify animals esp with a missing ear tag for instance, In this case I believe the animal was identified by the fact he had tennis balls glued to tips of his horns to lessen damage to other animals. I believe males were extremely aggressive in a zoo setting. Here's a link to the article I just found. It was also the start of AZA's long road toward extreme caution regarding where animals ended up because it caused a real stir. Fate of Antelope Sold by Zoo Draws Attention
 
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- Bennett's tree-kangaroo;
- Black tree-kangaroo;
- Dingiso;
- Tenkile;

- Kob (white-eared);
- Mongalla gazelle;
- Cape buffalo (short-horned);
- Tsessebe (tiang).

Zoos outside their native range:
- Grizzled tree-kangaroo.
 
Manatees stand out to me. They are held at no less than ten continental collections, seven of which acquired them this century, and yet they haven't been held in the UK since London kept them in the sixties. Given that they move far less, and thus require less space, than, for example, pinnipeds, it is a genuine mystery to me why nowhere keeps them. I understand that they don't breed near as regularly in captivity as pinnipeds, but manatee births are hardly that rare, with all but two of the European holders (three including Duisburg, which feels unfair given which they have only held them for a year) having bred them, and Beauval even having a group of 14! I am sure that there is some complex welfare requirement that I am missing, but there are certainly some zoos in the country with the budget and ambition to keep them regardless. Hopefully, it is a matter of time before somewhere changes this...
 
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