MOG2012
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- Daisy's ricefish
- Sarasin's ricefish
- Licorice gouramis
- Snakehead betta
- Whitemargin betta
- Red-wine betta
- Emerald dwarf danio
- Burmese Rummy nose
- Neon Blue Rasbora
Speculative Zoo Species List Help
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Thanks for the help!
Van Beal
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I've got quite the list of species I'm looking for. Could anyone find me species that would fit one or more of the following conditions, while also being either found in North American facilities or being relatively easy to come by in Europe:
Long list... I know. Regardless, any amount of help (large or small) would be appreciated, but if possible could anyone replying to this please insert the quote of which specific mix you're trying to add to and then the species you'd add simply to make my own processing easier, that would be great!
Thank you in advance!
- #1 - African rainforest bird or mammal which could cohabitate with Yellow-backed Duiker, Western Plantain-eater, Blue-naped Mousebird, and Superb Starling
- #2 - African rainforest bird which could cohabitate with Black Crake, Purple-crested Turaco, and Red-and-Yellow Barbet
- #3 - African rainforest bird or mammal which could cohabitate with Black-and-Rufous Sengi
- #4 - African rainforest bird or mammal which could cohabitate with Bearded Barbet, Blue-bellied Roller, Red-crested Turaco, and Okapi
- #5 - African savanna bird or mammal which could cohabitate with Northern Carmine Bee-eater and Vulturine Guineafowl
- #6 - Mediterranean shorebird which could cohabitate with Greater Flamingo and Eurasian Oystercatcher
- #7 - European/West Asian bird or mammal which is walkthrough-friendly and could mix with Western Capercaillie, European Green Woodpecker, Eurasian Bullfinch, Marginated Tortoise, European Goldfinch, and European Collared Dove
- #8 - Indian bird which could cohabitate with Indian Peafowl, Nicobar Pigeon, and Indian Star Tortoise
- #9 - walkthrough-friendly Southeast Asian bird/mammal compatible with Maleo, Chestnut-naped Imperial Pigeon, and Asian Fairy Bluebird
- #10 - smaller Southeast Asian bird which could be housed with Komodo Dragon (well aware of the risks)
- #11 - Southeast Asian bird able to mix with Luzon Bleeding-heart and Bali Myna
- #12 - larger New Guinea-native mammals/herptiles
- #13 - fourth macropod to live alongside Brush-tailed Rock-wallaby, Emu, Swamp and Parma Wallabies
- #14 - smaller African primate which could live with any of the following: Mantled Guereza, Western Lowland Gorilla, Golden-bellied Mangabey, Congo Wolf's Guenon, Lesser Spot-nosed Guenon
- #15 - African turtle which could live with Slender-snouted Crocodile and African Helmeted Turtle
- #16 - any African rainforest, Eurasian, Southeast Asian, or Oceanian terrarium species (reptile, amphibian, invertebrate)
- #17 - walkthrough-friendly Southeast Asian bird or mammal which could live in a Fragile Forest-esque habitat alongside Red-necked Flying Fox, Beautiful Fruit-dove, Pink-necked Green Dove, Red-billed Leiothrix, White-breasted Woodswallow, Palawan Peacock-Pheasant, Crested Wood Partridge, and Greater Indo-Malayan Chevrotain
Long list... I know. Regardless, any amount of help (large or small) would be appreciated, but if possible could anyone replying to this please insert the quote of which specific mix you're trying to add to and then the species you'd add simply to make my own processing easier, that would be great!
Thank you in advance!
MOG2012
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African brush-tailed porcupine, white-throated bee-eater, go-away bird
African pygmy goose, hamerkop, hadada ibis, tambourine dove, snowy-crowned robin-chat, most kingfishers (rare)
African dormice, cordon-bleu, emerald starlings
Congo Peafowl, great blue turaco, tinkerbirds
Kirk's dik-dik, spotted dikkop, speckled mousebird
Pied avocet, marbled teal, black-winged stilt
Eurasian Jay, European hoopoe
Red junglefowl, Indian rose-ringed parakeet, zebra dove
Crested wood partridge, green junglefowl
Red adavat, scaly-breasted munia, oriental magpie robin, oriental white-eye, java finch, zebra finch
Emerald dove, Asian glossy starling, Palawan peacock-pheasant
Matschie's tree kangaroo, dusky pademelon, short-beaked echidna, new guinea ground cuscus, boelen's python, pig-nosed turtle
Tammar wallaby
DeBrazza's monkey, allen's swamp monkey, blue monkey
Pelusios sp. like west African mud turtle
African rainforest: Look at Bronx Zoo's Congo rainforest animals, gaboon viper
Eurasian: Fire salamander, Armenian viper, European glass lizard, Mediterranean house gecko, Italian wall lizard, jeweled Lacerta, Iberian ribbed newt
SE Asia: King Cobra, tokay gecko, Malayan horned frog, Vietnamese mossy frog, Asian water monitor, stick insects
White-rumped shama, hill myna
Van Beal
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Could I house multiple of the above species in the same space shared with the Komodo Dragon?
Paul.Haerle
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If the feeding stations are placed outside the dragon's rage, it should work. Sooty-headed Bulbuls could be added there too.
Adamawa Turtle Dove, Guinea Turaco, African Green Pigeon and African Golden Oriole would possible too.
Given to barbet's agressive behaviour towards smaller birds (especially if they breed in tree hollows) I personally would add only bigger birds like Hadada Ibises or Hamerkops (like @MOG2012 said) as well as Eastern Bronze-naped Pigeons, Dusky Turtle Doves or African Golden Orioles.
Western Crested Guineafowl, Hartlaub's Duck, Blue-headed Wood Dove, African Green Pigeon, African Golden Oriole, a blue turaco species, Green Woodhoopoe and Yellow-crowned Gonolek could be added.
Bruce's Green Pigeons, Blue-billed Teals, Hartlaub's Turacos, Barn Swallows and maybe another bee-eater species would be possible
Squacco Herons, White-headed Ducks, European Bee-eater, Eared Grebe and Red-knobbed Coot would be possible.
A walkthrough with Western Capercaillies is because of their agressive behavior not the best idea and they're very susceptible to disease (like all grouse species), so I would separate them together with the Green Woodpecker and replace them with Grey Partridges or Alpine Stone Partridge. Eurasian Song Thrush or Rock Thrush, Eurasian Siskin and Common Linnets could be added.
Crested Myans could be added to them and the birds @MOG2012 suggested.
If the Asian Fairy Bluebird moves into another aviary, Sulawesi Tarictic Hornbills and Sulawesi Mynas could be added. If you don't want to move the bluebird, Orneate Lorikeets, Grosbeak Starling, Black-naped and Superb Fruit Dove could be added.
The Luzon Bleeding-heart could be mixed with Yellow-breasted Fruit Dove, White-eared Brown Dove and Blue-naped Parrot or Spotted Imperial Pigeon, Luzon Tarictic Hornbill and Coleto. The Bali Myna could be mixed with Green Junglefowl, Pink-headed Imperial Pigeon, Pink-necked Fruit Dove and Mitchell's Lorikeet. If you want to have Bali Myna and Luzon Bleeding-heart in the same aviary, Pink-headed Imperial Pigeon, Yellow-breasted Fruit Dove, White-eared Brown Dove, Mitchell's Lorikeet and Blue-naped Parrot are possible.
Chestnut-backed Thrush, Spotted Imperial Pigeon, Collared Imperial Pigeon, Pinon's Imperial Pigeon, Yellow-breasted Fruit Dove, Mindanao Lorikeet, Orneate Lorikeet, Goldie's Lorikeet, Grosbeak Starling, Ruby-throated Bulbul, Chestnut-bellied Partridge and Black-winged Myna could be added.
Van Beal
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I had previously been told that the Capercaillie and the Woodpecker would be fine in a walkthrough display with the other species I'd already had in the mix, but I imagine separating the capercaillie for precautionary reasons would not be a terrible idea.
jopif
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Are there any small/medium sized bird species found in Europe (zoos or private breeders) that could be added to a mixed aviary about the tropical forests of Western Africa, near the Atlantic (Cameroon, southeastern Nigeria, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon) ? For now I only thought about Tambourine dove, Bearded barbet, Splendid starling and Hartlaub's duck. Could these species be mixed with White-crested turaco or Red-fronted parrot ?
Paul.Haerle
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The turaco should work, the parrot would attack smaller birds. African Golden Oriole, Allen's Gallinule, Violet-backed Starling (non-breeding), Yellow-crowned Gonolek (non-breeding), Adamawa Turtle Dove, Bruce's Green Pigeon and Violet Turaco (non-breeding) could be added there too.
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Paul.Haerle
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Can Ural Owls be mixed with any non-owl spcies?
The woodpeckers aren’t easy to keep and might need that extra attention. Capercaillie, in addition to being disease prone, are notorious for attacking people
Paul.Haerle
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Which birds would work together with Gelada, Nubian Ibex and Rock Hyrax?
And what smaller (Abessinian/Ethiopian highland) animals would work in exhibits (terrariums or aviaries) around ?
And what smaller (Abessinian/Ethiopian highland) animals would work in exhibits (terrariums or aviaries) around ?
MOG2012
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Birds - hadada ibis, speckled pigeon, white-cheeked turaco, blue-winged goose
Small Animals - Ethopian Mountain Viper
As MOG mentioned, medium-sized ground birds would work (Blue-winged goose and formerly Yellow-necked francolin were held with Gelada in Blijdorp), as well as any birds that stay out of the Gelada's way (Weavers, Starlings, Turaco)
Some additional birds:
- Yellow-necked francolin
- Vulturine guineafowl
- Blacksmith lapwing
- Northern bald ibis
- African collared dove
- Bruce's green pigeon
- Superb starling
- Golden-breasted starling
- Black-winged lovebird
- White-headed buffalo weaver
All of these should also work for a smaller side aviary
Some smaller enclosure / terrarium options:
- Four-toed hedgehog
- Naked mole-rat
- Neumann's grass rat / African grass rat
- Lesser Egyptian jerboa
- Ocellated skink
- Sudan plated lizard
- Ringed wall gecko
- Savanna monitor
- African spurred tortoise
- Leopard tortoise / Bell’s hinge-back tortoise
- Crested porcupine
- Dwarf mongoose
Paul.Haerle
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Thank you both very much!
Would Hooded Vultures (or even bigger vultures) work in there too? There would be enough space outside the Gelada‘s range.
The current bird species list includes Erckel‘s Spurfowl, Blue-winged Goose, African Black Duck, Speckled Pigeon, Dusky Turtle Dove, African Collared Dove, White-cheeked Turaco, Northern Bald Ibis, Hadada Ibis, Hamerkop, Speckled Mousebird, Northern Grey Hornbill, Common Bulbul, Red-winged Starling and Superb Starling. The terrariums house Ethiopian Mountain Viper, Four-toed Hedgehog, Ocellated Skink, African Grass Rat, Lesser Egyptian Jerboa together with Grey-headed Silverbill, Red-billed Firefinch, Orange-breasted Waxbill, Black-cheeked Waxbill, Pin-tailed Whydah and Abyssian Wheatear and a side aviary with Leopard Tortoise, Black-winged Lovebird and Stone Partridge.
Would Hooded Vultures (or even bigger vultures) work in there too? There would be enough space outside the Gelada‘s range.
The current bird species list includes Erckel‘s Spurfowl, Blue-winged Goose, African Black Duck, Speckled Pigeon, Dusky Turtle Dove, African Collared Dove, White-cheeked Turaco, Northern Bald Ibis, Hadada Ibis, Hamerkop, Speckled Mousebird, Northern Grey Hornbill, Common Bulbul, Red-winged Starling and Superb Starling. The terrariums house Ethiopian Mountain Viper, Four-toed Hedgehog, Ocellated Skink, African Grass Rat, Lesser Egyptian Jerboa together with Grey-headed Silverbill, Red-billed Firefinch, Orange-breasted Waxbill, Black-cheeked Waxbill, Pin-tailed Whydah and Abyssian Wheatear and a side aviary with Leopard Tortoise, Black-winged Lovebird and Stone Partridge.
I’d add Abyssinian Yellow-billed Duck
MOG2012
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I don't know which thread this inquiry should go in so I'm asking for both. What animals found in the same regions as the following can be housed with each animal?;
- Dwarf Shield-tailed Agama
- Spotted Hyena
- Hamadryas Baboon
- Platypus
- Western Long-beaked Echidna
- Woolly Opossums
- Virginia Opossums
- Grey Short-tailed Opossums
- Grey Four-eyed Opossums
- Andean White-eared Opossums
- Elegant Fat-tailed Mouse Opossum
- Linne's Mouse Opossum
- Water Opossum
- White-eared Opossum
Does anyone know of any more (critically) endangered or extinct-in-the-wild invertebrates I could use in a Conservation centre set in Europe?
I already have:
- Partula snails
- Various endangered Madeiran snails held by Chester and Prague
- Lord Howe stick insect
- Black beauty stick insect
- Seychelles giant millipede
I already have:
- Partula snails
- Various endangered Madeiran snails held by Chester and Prague
- Lord Howe stick insect
- Black beauty stick insect
- Seychelles giant millipede