Stone throwing chimp

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Furuvik Zoo in Sweden

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When Santino the chimpanzee began throwing rocks at zoo visitors in the summer of 1997, officials at the Swedish zoo had to wonder: where was he getting all of the ammo?

The answer, they discovered, was in a series of secret caches, where the chimpanzee had calmly collected — and in some cases manufactured — projectiles for later use.

According to Swedish researcher Mathias Osvath, it's "the first unambiguous evidence" of an animal other than humans making plans in one mental state for a future mental state, in this case, an agitated display of dominance from the lone male chimpanzee at the zoo.

"These observations convincingly show that our fellow apes do consider the future in a very complex way," said Osvath of Lund University, in a statement.

"When wild chimps collect stones or go out to war, they probably plan this in advance. I would guess that they plan much of their everyday behaviour," he said.

Writing in Tuesday's issue of the journal Current Biology, Osvath reported on years of observations of Santino at the Furuvik Zoo in Sweden.

Born in 1978, Santino became the dominant male at the zoo in 1994 and the only male a year later when the other male died. For his first three years of dominance the act of throwing stones across the moat separating the chimps from zoo visitors was infrequent.

However, in June 1997, zoo officials noted his stone throwing increased dramatically, with demonstrations involving the throwing of 10 or more projectiles if not curtailed — what one caretaker described as "hail storms."

This prompted an investigation of the chimpanzee island, where they discovered five caches containing three to eight stones each. Algae from the stones revealed the stones originated from the adjacent waterbed.

A representative group of stones and concrete discs from the chimpanzee's cache, made into a pile by one of zoo's caretakers for illustration purposes.A representative group of stones and concrete discs from the chimpanzee's cache, made into a pile by one of zoo's caretakers for illustration purposes. (Current Biology)A zoo worker placed herself in a blind to observe the chimpanzee's behaviour and found that, for five consecutive days before the opening of the zoo, Santino gathered stones from the water and placed them in the caches.

The following year, the chimpanzee added pieces of concrete to his ammunition, and was observed gently knocking on concrete rocks to break off smaller, disc-shaped pieces.

Since the initial finding, caretakers at the zoo have removed hundreds of caches, and the gathering of stones has been observed on at least 50 occasions, Osvath reported.

Osvath said while many apes have been observed collecting stones for nut cracking or other planning behaviour, it has been unclear whether the ape was doing the work to meet a current or future need: that is, is the ape looking to crack nuts because he is hungry now, or because he expects to be hungry?

Santino's stone-gathering however, is a clear case of planning for the future, he said, since the calm manner in which the chimpanzee collected the stones differed from the agitated state in which he later hurled them.

"It implies that they have a highly developed consciousness, including life-like mental simulations of potential events. They most probably have an 'inner world' like we have when reviewing past episodes of our lives or thinking of days to come," he said. "Quote"
 
There seems to be allot of information on the www at the momment about this.

Does anyone have first hand information?
Has he been casterated as reported in some articles?

Personally l think this is incredibly interesting.Particually the pattern of behaviour and the thought he obviously puts into it.
 
I've seen (and also read of) chimps in zoos where they will take water into their mouths and then wait a little while, only spitting it at the public later to catch them unawares. Its not the same long term decision to store up ammunition as this 'stonethrower' uses, but it denotes a similar preparation or 'planned' activity.
 
Who's a clever boy then?

It would be interesting to see what would happen if someone gave him a gun! :D:D
 
I've seen (and also read of) chimps in zoos where they will take water into their mouths and then wait a little while, only spitting it at the public later to catch them unawares. Its not the same long term decision to store up ammunition as this 'stonethrower' uses, but it denotes a similar preparation or 'planned' activity.

I've first hand experience with two chimps that does this ...

She will colect water whenever anyone news (or "untested") reachs her indoor room. She will then wait untill we're distracted and will run to us and charge the water. She may do this only once or up to 3 4 times in a row. She may do it quickly after getting the water or will wait untill 5-15 minutes.

The most usual victims are new keeper or people that she doesnt know.

At the moment she was the only that had this behaviour but a sub-adult female (much more friendly, by the way!) also started copying her and now exbits the same behaviour ...

Anyway, while I think this is a complex behaviour, I personally classify Santino behaviour' much more advanced and planned!
 
I have done allot of reading up on Santino. I would have thought this subject would have created more discussion.

Anyways l gather that no one can confirm weather or not he has been casterated?

The zoo is not responding. I thought they would have a press package.
 
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including the obligatory "zoos are evil wah-wah-wah"...

If there is one thing this story proves, it is that zoos are not suitable places for chimpanzees to live in. This chimp clearly felt stressed and threatened by the visitors coming to stare at him and so wanted to scare them away by throwing stones at them.
Paula Battersby, Winchester, UK

I'd like to see her come face-to-face with a wild chimp if she thinks aggression only occurs in captivity:rolleyes:
 
It is sad that he's alone, have they tried to get him a mate or another male?
 
From yesterday's Daily Mail:

Monkey's Coconut Revenge
A monkey which apparently tired of being forced to climb palm trees killed its owner with a coconut thrown from the top of one.
The owner died immediately when the nut struck him in the Thai province of Nakorn Sri Thammarat. He received the equivalent of 4p for every coconut the monkey harvested from the trees up to 160ft high, local newspapers reported.
He regularly beat the animal whenever it showed any reluctance to climb. The monkey seemed to find the work boring, strenuous and unrewarding, said the papers.
The victim's wife said they bought the monkey for about £130. 'He seemed loveable.' she said. 'We called him Brother Kwan'.

Forward planning, chance......? If the story's true, they're speaking of him in the past tense so presumably he'll be collecting no more coconuts.

I'm never surprised to hear about animal intelligence.
 
CindelP;150466 She may do it quickly after getting the water or will wait untill 5-15 minutes. At the moment she was the only that had this behaviour but a sub-adult female (much more friendly said:
I think water spitting is fairly commonplace in zoo Chimps. Belle Benchley, author of 'My Friends the Apes' records similar behaviour in a male chimp at San Diego Zoo in the 1930/40's era. He would fill his mouth with water then wait until a fresh lot of visitors arrived who were unaware why the space closest to his cage front was empty, before spitting his water all over them..

I remember the male 'Buttons' at Bristol Zoo long ago behaving in a similar fashion, climbing high up the cage front to gain the maximum impact from spraying the water over the most people. And he always seemed calm when he did it rather than in display mode.
 
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