Blue Duiker is managed with two separate populations in the AZA, one bicolor and one generic. I know off the top of my head that NEW has bicolor but not sure about other holdings.
Subspecies held in the USA, for ZTL
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Yes, they should all be the bearded ssp.
The vast majority inside the AZA are Eastern black rhinos, as that is what the SSP manages. I don't know off hand who keeps South-Central, but there aren't many.
Most zoos with styani/refulgens will sign them as such. If not, there are some visual indicators that can be used, namely that styani/refulgens tends to have a much darker coat (see differences in this image: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dbG1jgwf_aw/Wf-ZSafDEkI/AAAAAAAACU8/9T6S6sVowA8LVqf-Fr42R9LDouZ00QrZwCLcBGAs/s1600/red+panda+sub.jpg). Visual indicators aren't always perfect, but if you know what to look for are pretty accurate. Note that there is a handful of zoos, including Memphis, which keep both species/subspecies.
There is a *very* small number of pure cristata in the AZA. According to the most recent studbook, for US institutions only, cristata can be found at: Austin Zoo, Cincinnati Zoo, Denver Zoo, Hemker (Minnesota), Honolulu, Downtown Aquarium Denver, and Turtle Back Zoo. Other than these seven institutions, all others in the studbook are specified as africaeaustralis.
Outside the AZA they will all be africaeaustralis or perhaps hybrids (of mostly africaeaustralis ancestry).
Other than these collections and any that hold Indian, I think africaeaustralis is a safe assumption.
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if there happened to be a small number of cristata out there, but this is a case where it seems unless there's proof otherwise (and proof doesn't mean what an animal is signed as) africaeaustralis should be the assumption. I should also note: Both Hemker and Austin are listed in the studbook as having both species of African crested porcupine, so for anyone working on adding those facilities that could be pertinent info.
That is what is known as "a guess".
Wisp O' Mist
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ZooMontana refers to it's tigers as Amur tigers on their website. That being said, on the very same website, they list their facility of origin: Dade City's Wild Things.
Dade City's Wild Things closed it's doors in 2020, largely as a result of losing a lawsuit against PETA. Not only was it non-AZA, it was... apparently a pretty bad facility all around. Most of it's marketing revolved around "encounters" with tiger cubs (Petting sessions and swimming in a pool with them!) that guests could purchase.
They are also know to have produced white tigers, so ZooMontana's sister pair are almost certainly not pure Amurs, despite the claims made on the website. ZooMontana's tigers were born in 2012, so hopefully once they eventually pass away, the zoo will switch to exhibiting AZA-produced Amurs.
I mean do check the morphological characteristics obviously, but in the vast majority of cases it will be africaeaustralis.
There's population lists on ZC for them, probably the easiest way there.
They're generally fairly distinct in coloration, as Neil has noted. Typically zoos do keep one or the other, but there's a couple with both.
Per studbook, almost all are africaeaustralis, Neil has listed the exceptions. I do not doubt both are in the private trade and should be identified carefully for non-AZA. A large number of places are currently listed for the wrong species in ZTL. I posted the link to the thread discussing ID points earlier in the thread.
Brazilian Ocelot at the following:
Abilene
Alexandria (Brazilian & generic)
ASDM
Assiniboine Park
Audubon
Beardsley
Bergen County (Brazilian & generic)
Buffalo?
Cincinnati (Brazilian & generic)
Cleveland
El Paso
Elmwood Park
Franklin Park
Houston
Hutchinson
LA
Mesker Park?
Oklahoma City
Orange County
Palm Beach
Santa Ana
I've heard all ours are Eastern, outside AZA included.
There are 4 subspecies north of Mexico, largely separated by size variations. I've seen at least two subspecies in zoos personally, and unless you know origin location, probably not listable to subspecies.
This is one I'd like to know as well, I've not been able to find anything out so far.
Not true - Austin and Hemker hold them, as Neil already noted. Would not surprise me if there were others.
The studbook says generic, so definitely not pure Amurs. Zoos tend to claim a lot of things re tiger subspecies that aren't necessarily true.
Buffalo's ocelot came from the Exotic Feline Breeding Compound in California when it closed, not sure if that helps or not.
Wisp O' Mist
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Is the AZA's tiger studbook (All three subspecies the AZA manages are under a single SSP, right?) floating around online or something? I'd love to read through it!
Oh, believe me, I'm well aware of that. I just found it amusing since ZooMontana also likes to toot about how it only keeps cold weather species (Barring a few species only held inside buildings), yet it doesn't even exhibit the cold weather tiger subspecies.
They are Brazilian, yes. I put the question mark as I was not sure if the ocelots indeed ended up there.
There's a couple of older ones floating around online if you search for "tiger studbook" and scroll down a little bit.
Which Sun Bear subspecies is in AZA zoos?
Also I've noticed a bunch of listings for generic Hellbenders. Hellbenders are managed at subspecies level and both are around, most facilities will sign which one they have.
Both - Oakland and SDZ have Bornean, the rest are Malayan.
I know originally the Eastern/nominate subspecies wasn't listed in ZTL- a lot of the generic listings were likely added before this was added. I know I'm to blame for the Buffalo Zoo listing here, as it was the second zoo I added and didn't know how to request adding a species yet.
What about Sable Antelope? Interestingly ZTL doesn't even have a generic option for that species.
Good catch, this is a major issue!! All but a couple of places have Eastern. St. Louis is the main facility with Ozark, and they keep/breed/release both. I think Detroit might have Ozark? Not sure what other public places do.
Toledo has both IIRC.
Their one exhibit is signed for eastern