Subspecies held in the USA, for ZTL

What about Sable Antelope? Interestingly ZTL doesn't even have a generic option for that species.
They will all be southern (black) sable (H. n. niger). San Diego was the only holder of Zambian (H. n. kirkii), and all of their remaining animals were sent to the private sector after the demolition of Horn and Hoof Mesa. There are still some animals in the private sector (as well as some hybrid animals); however, there are still none of these in public collections.
 
When I last visited there were no less than 8 exhibits for Hellbender - one in ProMedica and the rest in a standalone building next to the raptor barn.

Oh right, that building! It's been closed since at least my visit in June.
 
Anyone know which subspecies of Ateles fusciceps is the one floating around the private trade? This is another species that doesn't even appear to have a generic option on ZTL.
 
Anyone know which subspecies of Ateles fusciceps is the one floating around the private trade? This is another species that doesn't even appear to have a generic option on ZTL.
Are there really brown headed sipder monkeys in the US? I thought those were just black Geoffroy’s spider monkeys.
 
What is the status of the black-naped oriole, snow leopard, dhole, and African buffalo populations? I thought I'd ask here because this thread, while for Zootierliste, has been a good source despite the fact that I'm not updating the website out of worry that I will be one of those people whose contributions will only create headache for others later on.
 
What is the status of the black-naped oriole, snow leopard, dhole, and African buffalo populations? I thought I'd ask here because this thread, while for Zootierliste, has been a good source despite the fact that I'm not updating the website out of worry that I will be one of those people whose contributions will only create headache for others later on.
I'd be VERY surprised if any zoos anywhere had "subspecific" snow leopards, seeing as no subspecies were recognized until within the last decade, and even if multiple subspecies do exist (I'm personally skeptical), they are nowhere near as morphologically or genetically distinct as subspecies of some of the other big cats, namely tigers and leopards.
 
Is the AZA's tiger studbook (All three subspecies the AZA manages are under a single SSP, right?) floating around online or something? I'd love to read through it!



Oh, believe me, I'm well aware of that. I just found it amusing since ZooMontana also likes to toot about how it only keeps cold weather species (Barring a few species only held inside buildings), yet it doesn't even exhibit the cold weather tiger subspecies.
There three separate tiger SSPs and associated studbooks. There is an additional studbook for generic tigers but as you can imagine all animals are "do not breed". The three SSPs are managed by the same individual and the four studbooks are managed by another individual
 
They will all be southern (black) sable (H. n. niger). San Diego was the only holder of Zambian (H. n. kirkii), and all of their remaining animals were sent to the private sector after the demolition of Horn and Hoof Mesa. There are still some animals in the private sector (as well as some hybrid animals); however, there are still none of these in public collections.
I think you're making unrealistic assumptions about subspecies. Sable have been in the country in significant numbers for 70 years and most wild imports are from unknown African countries plus these imports mostly happened 50 plus years ago. Other subspecies than niger, esp kirkii, are found in countries that historically exported wildlife, and Tanzania has been a major exporter for decades. It's also a population where animals have moved between the private and public sectors many times esp for males. Maybe the population is heavily niger in origin but zero likelihood of purity in my book. The studbook SSP is at species level and the oringin of the population is only 10% genetically known.
 
Fijian Banded Iguana - different zoos sign either fasciatus or bulabula, but I'm not sure these are actually different populations?
We do have both - but to my understanding most are bulabula. It might be safe to trust signage but I’d try to verify if possible.
 
Indian muntjac?
black-naped oriole?
dhole?
African buffalo?

A few facilities have been breeding harbor seals lately (The Maritime Aquarium at Norwalk, New York Aquarium, etcetera). Does anyone know if facilities will be managing the captive-bred population at the species or subspecies level?

While there are subspecific lions in the SSP, there are also a lot of generics as well, particularly older individuals. So you can't assume something is melanochaita just because it is in an AZA zoo.
All of the breeding recommendations are made with Panthera leo melanochaita, though, right?

As for elephants...

Most Asians are of the Asian mainland except for Sabu and Sadhi from Cincinatti (Sumatran), Chendra of Portland (Bornean), and a few Sri-Lankans
The elephants in Cincinnati are all the mainland subspecies. I've made the mistake of calling them "Sumatran" too.
 
All of the breeding recommendations are made with Panthera leo melanochaita, though, right?
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A note about lions. Though the AZA seems to have started using melanochaita, ZTL recognizes the old taxonomy. As such melanochaita should be reserved for historical records of Cape Lions, and AZA lions should be entered as Panthera leo krugeri
 
Which subspecies of Black Crowned Crane is around?
I've just been snooping this and there seems some variation. If using the primary visible distinguisher of subspecies which is degree of pinkness on the cheek patch there seem to be birds in US that are likely pure B.p.pavonina and birds that may be hybrids with ceciliae in US. My source for US birds was Google photos for zoos. My source for wild birds was E-bird. A bird photographed in wild in Sudan has to be ceciliae. A bird photographed in wild in Senegal will obviously be nominate race. Given that exporting countries of the species in last 40 years will mostly be West African a predominance of pavonina make sense but it doesn't rule out ceciliae. Saddest part of this is comparing old range in literature with current range. A massive decline esp in western populations
 
I've just been snooping this and there seems some variation. If using the primary visible distinguisher of subspecies which is degree of pinkness on the cheek patch there seem to be birds in US that are likely pure B.p.pavonina and birds that may be hybrids with ceciliae in US. My source for US birds was Google photos for zoos. My source for wild birds was E-bird. A bird photographed in wild in Sudan has to be ceciliae. A bird photographed in wild in Senegal will obviously be nominate race. Given that exporting countries of the species in last 40 years will mostly be West African a predominance of pavonina make sense but it doesn't rule out ceciliae. Saddest part of this is comparing old range in literature with current range. A massive decline esp in western populations
When ISIS was last public in 2011, only 5 US zoos did not list their birds as Balearica pavonina pavonina. All the rest did.
 
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