Los Angeles Zoo & Botanical Gardens Sumatran rhino move.

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Dont forget London zoo ( 36 arces) is very old and cant really expand unless the London city council let them have some of Regents park.
 
javan rhino in captivity...

the idea of bringing javan rhinos into captivity is highly unlikely - the idea of bringing them into captivity in the UK is rediculous and counter productive.

currently the only real thing stopping the rhinos from bouncing back is adequate protection and expansion of their habitat in indonesia. nonetheless they are breeding in the wild, seem well protected from poachers and have very few predators other than the possiility that the occasional newborn is lost to leopards.

the vietnamese rhino however are a total write-off. these could be captured and brought into captivity, but any real attempt at breeding is likely to rely on indonesia agreeing to animals being captured in java to hybridise with the mainland subspecies. thats unlikely and arguably not even particuarly benificial.

better off take any breeding age animals from vietnam to java...
 
MARK said:
Dont forget London zoo ( 36 arces) is very old and cant really expand unless the London city council let them have some of Regents park.
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Its been talked about a number of times- unfortunately I don't think it will ever happen.
 
patrick said:
the idea of bringing javan rhinos into captivity is highly unlikely - the idea of bringing them into captivity in the UK is rediculous and counter productive.

It was only a 'zoo' rumour that I heard about this- however Howletts/Port Lympne do seem in another expansion phase at present and may be looking for a species which no other zoo has.

I think it would be very risky to deliberately capture animals from the Javan population to go into any zoo. Maybe the tiny Vietnam population can only survive if an adult male is translocated from Java- it seems there may be no male in the tiny fragmented group, in which case this population is moribund already (I think there's a term for this type of situation)....
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agreed grant.

the habitat in vietnam is less than ideal. so taking the breedable vietnamese animals (if any) to java might be a smarter option.

this is one scenario where i would support capture, the population is going to die anyway and we may find its more benificial to species as a whole if we have something to learn from studying animals in captivity. however, id'e still suggest a sumatran rhino-type sanctuary in asia - not a zoo.
 
Couldn't rhino keepers from around the world go to Java/Vietnam and work to improve the habitat of the rhinos and give the keepers some advice as to how to care for the species.
 
I have a suspicion, though I could be wrong, that the National Park where the Indonesian Javans live is isolated by agriculture, that there is little room for the population to expand. Wasn't there some talk a decade ago about moving some animals onto an offshore island?
 
patrick said:
agreed grant.

the habitat in vietnam is less than ideal. so taking the breedable vietnamese animals (if any) to java might be a smarter option.

Patrick- at present there's one viable(Java) and one non viable(Vietnam) population for this species. I think a 2nd viable population would be a very good thing to set up to avoid total catastrophe e.g. a Tsunami or other natural disaster/disease/ whatever wiping the single viable population out.

I don't know if capturing a pair or so to go to zoos, or better still, a secure reserve is a good insurance option, or not- however I have a feeling that if successfully captured(the tricky part) they would settle down and be basically quite easy to manage in confinement- like their very close relative, the GI Rhino. (Sumatrans are completely different and as we know have not adapted well to captivity at all)

I should have thought translocating the 2-10 scattered Vietnamese animals in Cat LOc(?) to a safer place might be the best option- if, as is believed, no male was found during this operation, then add one or two from Java.

Did you know Adelaide Zoo had at least one Javan Rhino many years ago? I've seen a photocard of a keeper feeding it....
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I feel taking a couple of spare males from Java could be good good idea and releasing them with the females in Vietnam.
 
Nope. Only Cincinnati have and breed Sumatran rhino. Nwhere else in zoos anywhere. No Javan rhino in captivity anywhere.
 
Sorry, misread it- HAVE HAD, okay you're correct.

Cpenhagen & Basel each had a female Sumtran rhino in the 1960/70's. Copenhagen's lived for many years. Calcutta kept Sumatran rhin0 in 1800's- that's where first breeding was. Los Angeles had Andalas for a while before being returned to Sumatra.

Only Javan I know of was at Adelaide but probably others elsewhere..
 
Bronx's old female was called RApunzel- I think she was deposited by Cincinnati as they wanted the space and she was too old.

I know Emi was 'owned' by Los Angeles but not sure about the male 'Ipuh' I think he went direct from Asia to Cincinnati?. Not that sure the USA zoos where they were sent to owned them anyway.
 
It says he stayed 6 months(April-October) at San Diego 'until Cincinnati's exhibit was ready'. I guess he was destined for Cincinnati and San Diego was only a temporary stopover. Emi on the other hand was sent Los Angeles first, Cincinnati later. I guess Indneasian Govt owns them all, even the Cincinnati born ones?
 
a did u know fact- adelaide zoo had one of the only jarvan rhinos ever in captivity, it is proudly displayed at the adelaide museum.

it lived its life as a indian rhino, but after its death over 80 years ago, was discovered to be javan!!!!

there is also a stuffed baby javan at melbournes museum
 
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