San Diego Zoo The Greatest Or Most Overrated?

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San Diego Zoo has proven to be a divisive zoological park on this forum, as there are constant debates over the merits of the self-proclaimed “world famous” establishment. There seems to be an established acceptance that the zoo is one of the very best not only in North America but worldwide, but on numerous threads there have been valid arguments put forth that the animal collection is not what it once was, the exhibits built in the past decade have been lacking in quality, and the zoo still has far too many small wire cages and outdated grottos to truly be #1.

However, as I mention in my extensive review below, the zoo is still a must-see for any serious zoo fan and the gorgeous southern California coastal climate plays a part in that success. When folks are freezing in Berlin in the middle of a bitter German winter, when others are profusely sweating in the humidity of Singapore, San Diego visitors will be enjoying hot summers, warm winters, an amazing species list of both flora and fauna, and the experience is fantastic. As a bonus the San Diego Zoo Safari Park is only half an hour away and together the two facilities have superb botanical gardens and over 8,000 animals in many world-class habitats. I wonder if the presence of two wonderful parks adds to the mystique and grandeur that is evident in San Diego. For those that have never visited I have already uploaded a comprehensive set of almost 450 photos of every major exhibit complex at the zoo.

So…is San Diego Zoo still a favorite of many on this forum? Is it preferable to the Bronx, Omaha, Columbus, etc, etc, etc?

MY REVIEW:

DAY 15: Tuesday, July 26th

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DAY 16: Wednesday, July 27th

Zoo/Aquarium Review # 14: San Diego Zoo

San Diego Zoo’s website:

San Diego Zoo

Zoo Map:

San Diego Zoo: Zoo Map

San Diego Zoo is still the best zoo in North America, although the gap is closer than it ever was before. Bronx Zoo and Omaha’s Henry Doorly Zoo would be the next two choices on my list, although neither has the gorgeous climate of southern California and that definitely plays a factor in the zoo-going experience. It's true that comparing northern zoos to southern zoos is like comparing apples to oranges, but the case is valid in this situation. Visiting a northern zoo like the Bronx means that one has to rush to fit everything in within the 7 hour time limit, while at San Diego in summertime no one has to leave the grounds until 9 p.m. and the animals are always on-exhibit and visible year-round. Literally hundreds and hundreds of animals in northern zoos never once spend time outdoors, as there are 7-8 immense pavilions littering zoo grounds and huge sections of the zoo are completely shut down to the public in winter.

The Bronx Zoo closes its almost 40-acre Asian monorail section during poor weather and a species like the giraffe can spend weeks locked inside a tiny barn in the offseason. At San Diego giraffes are outside for hours longer every day, and barring a freak snowstorm have 365 days a year to enjoy the sunshine. Is San Diego aided considerably by the tropical weather? You bet, and that is a major reason why the zoo is so darn enjoyable. Everything is outdoors, there is natural substrate in almost 100% of the exhibits, and the animal collection of 4,500 is staggeringly awesome.

For my review I’ll refer to the new names that the zoo has designated to exhibit complexes, but many old signs are still in place around the park and so it will be important for me to be as detailed as possible in my lengthy review. The new map is terrific and makes the zoo much easier to navigate, although the Monkey Trails & Forest Tales area is still a mazelike, head-scratching set of raised pathways.

THE BEST:

Botanical Garden - The zoo is a lushly planted paradise, with massive palm trees around each and every corner. Some of the aviaries are so gorgeous that I almost didn't want to walk through them and spoil the Eden-like ambience that has been created. I forgot just how beautiful this zoo really is, and from the Skyfari ride it appears as if ants are milling around in the middle of the Amazon rainforest. San Diego is probably the best looking zoo in North America, and Fern Canyon Trail epitomizes just how impressive the botanical collection is.

Lost Forest: Monkey Trail (Monkey Trails and Forest Tales) – This is arguably the best zoo in North America for primates. Species in this area of the zoo include Eastern Angolan colobus monkey, Kikuyu colobus monkey, black mangabey, golden-bellied mangabey, mandrill, red-cheeked gibbon, lesser spot-nosed guenon and Wolf’s guenon. This multi-acre set of exhibits opened in 2005 and is one of the best parts of the zoo. I'd take the natural substrate, huge mesh exhibits and stunning boardwalks and myriad walkways over "JungleWorld" or "Tropic World" any day of the week. The pygmy hippo/Wolf's guenon enclosure is magnificent, and the adjoining slender-snouted crocodile pool is equally brilliant. Near the entrance is a large lagoon with plenty of Caribbean flamingos, and an entry pair of exhibits along Monkey Trail is for yellow-backed duikers.

Lost Forest: Hippo Trail (Ituri Forest) – This is yet another amazing set of mixed-species exhibits. Allen's swamp monkeys, Schmidt's spot-nosed guenons and spotted-neck otters share a pair of exhibits, while red river hogs and forest buffalo are in a background enclosure. The river hippo’s 150,000 gallon pool is always crystal-clear due to the tilapia feasting on hippo dung, the okapi/black duiker paddock is almost completely in shade from the massive surrounding trees, and if I complained about some of the sightlines I'd be nitpicking a fantastic, award-worthy, 4-acre set of exhibits. The infamous bars in the red river hog/forest buffalo exhibit have been removed, and the interaction amongst the monkeys and otters is as playful as ever.

Lost Forest: Monkey Trail (Gorilla Tropics) - The gorillas have a very scenic exhibit, with cascading waterfalls and pools of water around some of the edges. The bonobo habitat is just as good, with loads of different natural surfaces for the apes to clamber over. Angolan colobus monkeys, snakes and other animals dot the landscape around these ape enclosures, and everything is fantastic to see up close and personal. On both days the troop of gorillas actively used the large rocks in the center of their exhibit, and the viewing windows offer terrific sightlines into the spacious habitat.

Birds & Giant Aviaries – This is the best zoo in North America for birds. Scripps Aviary has over 130 birds and is a thick, dense, jungle-like aviary that has multiple boardwalks cruising through it. Owens Aviary (200 bird species) is just as overwhelming, Parker Aviary is smaller but worthwhile, and the 23 Australasian Aviaries are small, lushly planted, and showcase a diverse collection of birds that is unmatched anywhere in the Western Hemisphere. There is a small kiwi house, a set of hornbill aviaries (and apparently over 30 species of hornbills at the zoo), some of the largest bird of prey aviaries I’ve ever seen, a couple of flamingo pools with various other waterfowl, and then seemingly an aviary around every nook and cranny of the zoo. My wife and I aren't even huge bird fans, but the collection is vast and while some of the exhibits are basic metal boxes there are also many excellent aviaries. I believe that the Owens and Scripps aviaries are two of the largest walk-through aviaries in the world; the Hummingbird Aviary is tiny but extremely lush; and the Birds of Prey aviaries are outstanding and feature Steller’s sea eagles, Andean condors, harpy eagles and ornate-hawk eagles.

Asian Passage: Panda Canyon (Giant Panda Research Station) – There are 3 giant pandas, with 2 on view and the possibly pregnant mother in an unseen exhibit. It is hard to believe that the San Diego Zoo has had 5 baby pandas and that there might well be a 6th on the way! The National Zoo in Washington DC clearly has the best giant panda enclosures in North America, and San Diego, Atlanta and Memphis are far behind in terms of space and variability. However, kudos must go to San Diego for having attendants there to keep everyone quiet, and the crowd members who are noisy are immediately hushed. Panda Trek opens within the next few weeks, with red pandas, mountain vipers and Sichuan takins included in the area. Across the pathway from the giant pandas is a densely planted enclosure for western tufted deer, as well as a now empty cage that used to house red pandas.

Discovery Outpost: Reptiles & Amphibians – This is the best zoo in North America for reptiles and amphibians, and I’m not sure if any other zoo besides Fort Worth even comes remotely close. The Reptile House is the solitary animal building in the park, but it has wide open hallways so it is not really enclosed and contains a fantastic set of cold-blooded animals. I walked all around the rectangle-shaped structure and counted exactly 50 terrariums of varying sizes. The Reptile Mesa section near the Reptile House has a further 35 terrariums within a few small buildings, so that makes 85 terrariums that are for the most part of average quality. However, the outdoor enclosures are simply awesome, with a huge gharial pool that contains 6 species of turtles as well as the rare crocodilians, loads of iguanas and other lizards in massive habitats, and many enormous Galapagos tortoises in a few huge paddocks. With 85 terrariums, a large Komodo dragon outdoor exhibit, the gharial pool and tortoise enclosures, combined with maybe another 8-10 outdoor exhibits and once you add all of that up there is no other zoo in North America that can touch San Diego for reptiles and amphibians. Species list for the gharial pool: narrow-headed softshell turtle, Malaysian giant turtle, painted terrapin, river terrapin, fly river turtle and Chinese stripe-necked turtle.

Polar Rim: Polar Bear Plunge – This excellent area has a large polar bear exhibit with massive viewing windows both above and underwater. The 3 bears have a huge 130,000 gallon pool that slopes into a very deep section, a patch of grass, a digging box, and lots of logs and tree stumps to play around with. There isn't a ton of substrate in this exhibit, but it's still good enough to be one of the best of its kind in North America. There is an Arctic fox and a raccoon in two small wire cages, reindeer in a raised paddock, and diving arctic ducks and waterfowl in a pair of bird areas. Species list in the walk-through aviary: ruff, smew, bufflehead, long-tailed duck and harlequin duck. On my 2008 visit I saw a caracal and an Arabian wild cat (a revolving army of animals have been placed here) but the fox and raccoon fit better with the Polar Rim theme. Outside of this area is a long row of metal aviaries with many species of Australian/Asian birds, and they could almost be classified as off-exhibit as almost no one wanders down that pathway.

Lost Forest: Tiger Trail (Tiger River) - This set of enclosures is as terrific as the rest of Lost Forest, and the thick jungle foliage along the pathways creates a lush landscape. A Malayan tapir enclosure has high mudbanks and the fishing cat has a deep pool with fish in it. There is a beautiful, underrated Johnstone crocodile exhibit with several turtle species included, yet more aviaries, a huge Burmese python and a few assorted terrariums nearby.

Lost Forest: Orangutan Trail (Absolutely Apes) - The orangutans and siamangs interact well, but still spend too much time on the ground. This exhibit works because the multiple viewing windows are enormous, the apes appear to always be active and not interrupted by the humans staring at them, and the uniqueness of the enclosure is appealing now that it is looking lush in the middle of summer. The exhibit dips down a hill at the back to allow for quiet time for the apes, and there is loads of soft substrate spread around the front of the enclosure as well as a squishy floor for visitors. Nearby is a glass-enclosed exhibit for Eastern Angolan colobus monkeys and Wolf’s guenons.

Asian Passage: Sun Bear Trail - sun bears in a rocky, grotto-like exhibit, lion-tailed macaques in an outstanding habitat, tropical birds in an aviary (red-billed malkoha/chestnut-bellied hill-partridge/superb fruit dove) and silvered-leaf langurs in a pair of vertically enormous exhibits all set in a densely planted, nicely winding trail.

Skyfari Ride – This is a gondola-style ride that transports visitors from one end of the zoo to the other. It is a fascinating overview that provides a birds-eye view of many off-exhibit areas, and I was amused to see so many herds of hoofstock that are not on show as I have heard that San Diego has a large collection that can only be seen by employees. The paddocks that are behind the scenes are almost all larger than what the public see from the visitor pathways, and it was cool to travel over the enormous aviaries and gaze down on the gorillas in their rocky habitat.

THE AVERAGE:

Africa Rocks – There is a fantastic klipspringer/rock hyrax kopje that is a near perfect collection of rocks and boulders and a large, sand-filled meerkat exhibit at the end of Africa Rocks, but those are the two best exhibits in this outdated section of the zoo. There are 5 tiny wire cages that are the oldest in the entire zoo (more on those later) and then the species list is as follows: warthog, Chinese goral, yellow-footed rock wallaby, spotted hyena, striped hyena, New Guinea singing dog and Bateleur eagle. The eagle aviary is excellent and adjacent to the Kopje area, but the other enclosures are all subpar. A brand-new North Chinese leopard exhibit just opened a week or so ago and it provides excellent viewing of the leopard through a combination of glass and mesh. The enclosure itself is not as large as perhaps it should be, but there is a real tree already in place and the leopard has options for attaining height.

Elephant Odyssey – This large-scale, $40 million set of exhibits opened in 2009 and has been much maligned by many ZooChatters. In all honesty the average zoo visitor does not want to stroll past innumerable enclosures that all appear the same and all contain antelope, deer and pigs. I have fond memories of Horn & Hoof Mesa from my 2006 visit to the zoo and I personally loved the endless rows of hoofstock. However, I fully understand the reason for the zoo to dramatically overhaul the area as the current hoofstock paddocks don’t hold anyone’s attention but hardcore zoo fans. I spent two full days at the zoo and I noticed a stream of people only pausing long enough to take a quick glance at the hoofstock before lumbering along to see the mighty polar bears.

Elephant Odyssey has been discussed endlessly on ZooChat, but I’ll still give a summary here. In my two days at the zoo I went through this area a total of 3 times and so I feel well acquainted with it. What definitely works is the very nice California condor exhibit; the large rattlesnake exhibit with 3 species (southwestern speckled, southern pacific and red diamond); the terrific series of reptile and amphibian ponds along the path; the kid-friendly prehistoric creatures to touch, the mini-bulldozer for kids to clamber on, and the neat little messages about elephant conservation (via life-size collars) and the tar pits of the world; the jaguar habitat is much better than I thought it would be, although it is jarring to see the huge double-decker buses go by in the background; and finally the excellent graphics on all of the signs. The zoo chose a theme and stuck to it well, and I applaud the audacity to attempt something new and original.

What doesn’t work: the elephant exhibit doesn’t break any new ground and is basically a sandy dustbowl for aging female elephants that are past their reproductive age (there is also one bull); the elephant care center is a massive pile of ugly steel; some of the pathways are far too narrow for large groups of people, especially near the elephant care center where on both days I saw traffic jams; the lion exhibit is not nearly as impressive as what the jaguar has; the pronghorn/llama/camel enclosure is bleak and I only saw a single pronghorn on all 3 of my visits; the secretary bird enclosure leaves little protection for the bird; the guanaco/Baird’s tapir/capybara exhibit has some nice landscaping by the water but the holding building is an intense eyesore; and the horse/donkey yard is simply ridiculous.

Outback – Including indoor, glass-fronted exhibits there are approximately 8 enclosures featuring at least 12 koalas, some goodfellows tree kangaroos down the path, at least 6 or more parma wallabies (with a couple in with some koalas) and some southern hair-nosed wombats. Those Aussie critters combine to make this one of the top 5 zoos in North America for Australian creatures, and with all of those koalas there are more here than anywhere else outside of Australia. This being San Diego Zoo there are of course some odds n’ ends exhibits near the Outback section, and the species list includes: Bactrian camel, Cuvier’s gazelle, Visayan warty pig and a ring-tailed lemur/rock hyrax exhibit. There is still a large mesh exhibit that is on the zoo map, appears to have at one point held primates, and while I took a photo of it at the moment it is closed to visitors. Before reaching the Outback section of the zoo there are a series of small, outdated, black metal cages that seem to exist solely to give visitors something to gaze at on the way to the koalas. Species include: binturong (two cages), slow loris, blue-crowned lorikeet, double-eyed fig parrot, kookaburra, banded mongoose, southern white-faced owl and Vietnam giant flying squirrel.

Hoofstock Exhibits – There is a red river hog pair of enclosures directly next to Panda Trek, and the reminder of what was left over from the now decimated Horn & Hoof Mesa stretches from the top of Elephant Odyssey almost to the gigantic Bird of Prey aviaries. Species list: Sichuan takin, Cavendish’s dik-dik, southern steenbok, red-flanked duiker, Chacoan peccary, gerenuk, bontebok, addra gazelle, lesser kudu, Speke’s gazelle and Grevy’s zebra.

THE WORST:

Repeating Exhibits – There are at least 3 exhibits with red river hogs, 3 exhibits with otters (containing 3 different species), 3 exhibits of meerkats, 3 exhibits with fossas and 3 exhibits of colobus monkeys.

Asian Passage - The grottoes containing grizzly bears (rotating with a Manchurian brown bear), lions, spotted hyenas, spectacled bears and cape-clawless otters all need to be radically overhauled. Then there are 4 corn crib cages that are terrible, featuring DeBrazza guenons, red ruffed lemurs, Francois’ langurs and L’hoest’s guenons. Why does the zoo insist on maintaining these obviously outdated cages? I’d rather see yet another gift shop there as no one can be impressed by the terrible viewing opportunities in the metal boxes. Big Cat Trail contains old-fashioned but still adequate wire cages for these species: mountain lion (two exhibits although one was empty on my visit), jaguar, snow leopard and Siberian lynx. There is a southern ground hornbill enclosure bizarrely placed between the snow leopards and Siberian lynx.

Below the Big Cat Trail upper pathway is a lower level with the 5 oldest exhibits in the entire zoo. I know this because a tour bus went by and the guide pointed out how animals “used to be showcased”. Why the hell does the world-famous San Diego Zoo still have such tiny metal cages on its grounds? Instead of lavishing $40 million on Elephant Odyssey, wiping out an amazing hoofstock collection in the process, the zoo could have spent $1 million and bulldozed this crap. Species listing: kinkajou, bat-eared fox, coati and fossa (two exhibits). There is also an African wild dog exhibit by an escalator; an Indian crested porcupine enclosure; and 3 adjoining aviaries: Reeves’s pheasant/great hornbill, Siamese fireback/red-knobbed hornbill, and Java rhinoceros hornbill. A couple of other bird cages have grosbeak starlings, and a mixed-species aviary with these species: Himalayan monal/fairy bluebird, magpie robin, metallic starling, Bali mynah and fawn-breasted bowerbird.

Urban Jungle – This small section of the zoo used to be Elephant Mesa, and now it is even more of a mess. The elephants have been replaced by Indian rhinos in the large center exhibit, and there is another large enclosure that was empty on my visit but supposedly houses the ambassador animals that the zoo has. That includes Arctic wolves, golden retrievers, Anatolian shepherds and cheetahs, as there were plenty of signs with the names of each animal. Other exhibits in Urban Jungle: babirusa/lowland anoa, meerkat, red river hog, Caribbean flamingo, clouded leopard, serval, red kangaroo, Grant’s zebra/miniature Mediterranean donkey, and Masai giraffe/Soemmerring’s gazelle. None of the enclosures are very good, and the cats are in horrid little metal cages. The Kiwi Trail still juts off from Urban Jungle and is the same as ever, but this entire area is now a shambles both geographically, aesthetically and morally and some of the enclosures need to be destroyed.

Discovery Outpost: Children's Zoo – This is one of the weakest areas of the zoo for me, particularly after visiting some really cool, interactive kid zoos during the past few years. Here the cages for an ocelot (badly pacing), a fennec fox, red pandas, meerkats, Goeldi’s marmosets, pygmy marmosets, macaws, a fossa, mice, North American river otter/spot-necked otter, thick-billed parrot, collared loris, a kea, toe-toed sloth, Indian crested porcupines, naked mole rats and an echidna range from mediocre to borderline terrible, even though some of those animals are used in shows. This zone needs to be freshened up, but the small insect section (18 terrariums) is quite well done and the highlight of the area. There is a little theater there for daily shows (the new Camp-themed show is definitely weak as I watched some of it while I was in Reptile Mesa) but for a zoo of San Diego’s stature the children’s section is hugely disappointing.

Pathways – I think that San Diego features steeper walkways than even Cheyenne Mountain Zoo in Colorado Springs, and that establishment is built on a mountain! Walking alone on the first day I didn’t mind the foot-throbbing climbs up and down the canyon trails, but with a stroller and two kids in it (around 62 pounds) I received a work-out the following day. Also, many of the trails around the Lost Forest section are so winding and mazelike that it is quite easy to move from the Hippo Trail to the Monkey Trail to the Tiger Trail and miss exits to key exhibits.

OVERALL:

San Diego Zoo is my favorite zoo in North America and it is regarded as being one of the best zoos on the planet. The Bronx Zoo for me is a brilliant institution with fantastic exhibits that ultimately slots into second place in my personal rankings, and Omaha and Columbus have the money and history to have exciting futures. The lushly planted gardens, tropical weather and collection of animals at San Diego (that allows most of them a huge amount of unlimited time in their exhibits) all contributes to the overall visitor experience. Northern zoos simply cannot compare to San Diego, specifically when animals are locked in night quarters in the late afternoon or not even on view in the off season as is the case with many northern zoos that I have visited.

The zoo is the best in North America for birds, the best for its botanical collection, the best for reptiles, the best for its animal collection, the best for primates, and probably amongst the top categories for just about everything else possible. If you are a major zoo fan and have never visited then you are definitely missing out on one of the great zoological establishments of the world. Combined with the nearby Safari Park this 1-2 punch surely tops most other captive wildlife experiences in the world. There is a selection of exhibits in San Diego that deserve criticism, but in my humble opinion the vast majority of the enclosures are better than anything at almost any other North American zoo. Other than the children’s zoo practically every single exhibit complex on the left-hand side of the map is stellar and well worth visiting, while on the right-hand side of the map is where all of the grottoes and mediocre exhibits are located.
 
I believe that san diego is the 2nd best zoo in the country after the bronx zoo. They are both large zoos that you can spend days at. San diego is the best zoo for bird, but bronx is in the top 5 zoos for the diversity of bird species also. Bronx has a much larger collection of hoofstock which are mainly from africa and asia, while san diego has a collection much smaller it was 10 years ago. In san diego the exhibit quality is nowhere near the quality of the bronx. San diego has worse exhibits being built now then it had 10 years ago. It is going oppisite the way of the bronx zoo which continues not to dissapoint with its new exhibits. San diego has outdated cages and grottos throughout the zoo. The bronx zoo only bad exhibits are the polar bear grotto and the bird houses. San diego has the best collection of animals in the us but many of them displayed in avreage of bad enclousures. Bronx has less animals and less diversity but has tons of excellent exhibits. San diego may have better weather but the bronx zoo has many indoor exhibits. Most other animals have large indoor off exhibit enclousures, such as the gorillas or can go outside lions, bears, tigers(wild asia and tiger mountain) etc.
 
I suppose it depends on where your interests lie. Since I am a cat fanatic, San Diego does not rate number one for me because the cat walk features very old exhibits. (It will be interesting to see what they do here, as that is the next area slated for a redo).

However, if you are a bird lover I think the two GIGANTIC walk-in aviaries (plus dozens of assorted smaller aviaries) might make it a number one zoo. If you are a reptile lover, the unmatched number of outdoor exhibits, plus the excellent turtle pool in Tiger River and the excellent crocodile pool by the pygmy hippos might make it a number one zoo. If you are a primate lover, Monkey Trails and Gorilla Tropics might make it a top choice.

But for those of us who are carnivore fanatics, there are many that are better.

As for weather, it does get cold and rainy in the winter and I am astonished that such a big budget zoo with such advanced visitor amenities has outdoor dining in all of its cafes. (The very expensive upscale restaurant, Albert's, is indoor, but all of the regular cafes have outdoor seating). I have been there in the rain and it is a pain in the neck to eat standing up trying to huddle under an awning (because if you sat down your pant seat would be soaked for the rest of the day). This is another reason why they totally blew it on Elephant Odyssey - the otherwise outstanding new cafe has no indoor seating. Just mind boggling.
 
Just picking up on a line in your review, how can three exhibits featuring 3 different species of otter be a bad thing? I love it when a zoo showcases more members of one family, it shows the public that there are noticable differences between species that look the same on first glance.

P.S. I like otters so leave em alone :p

P.P.S. Nice review though :)
 
Just picking up on a line in your review, how can three exhibits featuring 3 different species of otter be a bad thing? I love it when a zoo showcases more members of one family, it shows the public that there are noticable differences between species that look the same on first glance.

P.S. I like otters so leave em alone :p

P.P.S. Nice review though :)

I'm guessing that what's meant is that the 3 species are found in 3 exhibits each, a quick scan of the review states spot-necked are found in Monkey Trails and The Childrens Zoo as well. I may be wrong as I've not been to SDZ but I feel familiar enough with snowleopards review style to hazard a guess.

P.S. I also like otters and would have no problem seeing that many of them either... :p
 
I think it's the best, but Omaha and the Bronx are both close for me. Weather and collection are the main reasons why SD comes out on top for me. They do have some great exhibits and lots of good ones, plus they're generally better for the animals due to the weather. Now SD does have a lot of mediocre at best exhibits, but I for one would still rather see the animals exhibited then tear down the exhibits for the most part. Some of the bad primate cages and the former red panda cage are exceptions though.

The Bronx has less bad exhibits and CGF and Baboon Reserve are better than any of SD's exhibits, but the Bronx has some weaknesses as well. In terms of collection, they don't have chimps, orangutans, various bear and cat species, koalas, hippos, etc. Plus, you can only see their elephants and various other animals for a brief time on the monorail, which is a huge disappointment imo. They also have some weak exhibits in their crown jewel complexes of CGF (some reptiles and small primates, Jungleworld (leopard), and Madagascar (Nile crocs). And a few other weak exhibits as has been mentioned.

Then the weather is a big weakness compared to SD since for 3-5 months, lots of animals are either off exhibit or on exhibit in indoor holdings, while others animals that SD can display outdoors are always indoors. The summer weather is worse in NYC than SD too. So this is a big factor for both animal welfare and for the zoo visiting experience. So this may be unfair, but it's just the reality of the situation.

Even if both zoos had equal weather for a given day though, I would rather go to SD for a greater wealth in good to great exhibits and a much better collection. The entire heart of the zoo are is hard to beat as far as I am concerned. Then there's plenty of other decent to great things to see.

BTW, if anything, the SD Zoo probably was overrated a lot more 15, 20, and 25 years ago when a much higher portion of their primates were in cages and various other animals were in worse exhibits.
 
I've never been to the zoo. One day I would like to go...when I can afford it.
But pretty much any animal I'd want to see 9 times out of 10 the zoo has that animal somewhere..even though it may be in the education program (if they still have a pangolin I think it's in the ED program)
Wondering if they have bearded vultures...
 
San Diego,Bronx,both Berlins,Henry Doorly...top five zoos in the world,and ive visited over 500.But,blimey,is that new elephant house at SD horrible..by the way that obscure row of aviaries below Polar Rim has had some real rarities in it it in its time-i once saw Chinese Monal in there.Last year at SD the Bushpigs had vanished,wonder if they reappeared-a definite zoo rarity despite being a common animal in the wild.At Berlin they never lasted long but Red River Hogs no problem...strange.And off display at Reptile Mesa are Gunthers Tuatara,unique outside N.Z.,by prior arrangement it can be possible to view them.
 
Just checked I.S.I.S. and the Bushpigs are still at SD..must be offshow but then why at least two lots of R.R.Hogs on display?
 
@Tim Brown: Anyone who has been to 500 zoos makes me sit up and take notice. So you would choose San Diego, Bronx, the two Berlins and Omaha as the 5 best on the planet? That makes a trio of American zoos and a pair in a German city. Would any from The Netherlands be just behind those frontrunners? Would you like to elaborate and produce a top 10 or 20 list? Many North American ZooChatters regularly produce multiple lists of their favorites on this forum, but I've found that most Europeans shy away from such tasks and I can fully understand the reasons why.
 
The zoos of Vienna, Leipzig, Prague, Pilsen, Arnhem, Rotterdam, Chester, Zurich, Singapore, Seattle etc. were not among the 500 you visited @Tim Brown?
And please @snowleopard: no more ratings, no more Top 10's, Top 20's , Top 156's! We already discussed all the pro's and con's of such zoo rating attempts again and again and again and again...Just don't get absorbed by your work ethic, no matter how very tempting this might be. Thanks.

Only on the surface the current situation of RRHs at zoos is without problems; in fact, inbreeding depression is becoming quite a chronic issue.
Just because bushpigs are common in the wild makes them less of a priority species to acquire for a zoo; in particular, as the number of husbandry places for tropical suids in zoos is already limited (and for most visitors, a pig is just a pig). Don't forget the danger of African swine fever and other disease transmissions too...

To answer the original question: SD's big plus is indeed its weather-and its reputation, based on a glorious past, and a promising future. Other zoos might have in one regard or another better exhibits, better presentations, better conservation programs and "better" animal collections. But SD's zoos are among the few zoos in the world that are mentioned in the "Best of" lists of respectable international travel guides, while other zoos are usually, if at all, mentioned briefly in the Children section of said books. If I were mean, I could also say that when it comes to international tourism, SD, just like Omaha, is defined by its zoo(s). That might not be a bad thing for a zoo fan, but having no other major cultural institutions of international fame is a bit, well, meager, isn't it? Especially, if compared to other cities with major zoos, such as NYC, Berlin, Zurich, Vienna etc.?

I hope I didn't open a can of worms by being so blunt-sorry if anyone feels offended.
 
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PHEW!..and im a useless typer plus i spend a lot of my time writing for the pre-zoochat paper version Zoo Grapevine[which still exists] so forgive me if i dont elaborate TOO much.BUT,as an answer to both S.Leopard and Sun obviously zoos are like many other subjects in that ratings are personal.That said i only know of one person thats been to more zoos than me,ive written books ,been a keeper,met and conversed with many important names in zoo history-so perhaps my opinion has some value.Firstly i love animal houses,large taxonomic collections and the conservational aspect of zoos[those three things do not run contrary to each other].If we are to judge a zoo by representing the animal kingdom then Zoo Berlin and Henry Doorly both have good comprehensive aquariums,plus nocturnal plus all the classic mega-vertebrates[not elephants just for the moment at HD ].Tierpark Berlin has actually a bigger collection than ZooBerlin just at the present..what a director Blaszkiewitz is -a true zooman,who else would write a book about his favourite zoos in the style we do here,as he has done?SD-always the rarities,the oddities..why keep Bushpigs otherwise,yes Sun we can get all P.C. about Red River Hogs in zoos but quite frankly the dynamics of zoo population models NEVER factor in going back to the wild.It isnt a crime you know.Anyway im going off at a tangent..and finally the Bronx,still lots of great exhibits[lets hope the Mouse House is still there] but the conservational input of the WCS really has to be factored in even if many of their rarities are now sadly a distant memory.Zoos can be savoured and reviewed and compared,its lovely to do amongst enthusiasts.If,Sun,you want peer- reviewed scientific papers on zoo ethics there are plenty of other places to find them.And,yes of course ive visited all the other zoos you mention..very good the lot of them,but all fall short of the Big Five!
 
The city of San Diego has a lot to offer a tourist other than just the zoo. Omaha is more of a one trick pony though for most.
 
As a huge enthusiast of tropical birds, lush gardens and natural/geographical exhibits, San Diego takes the cake for the best zoo I've ever been to. It's one of the only places in which I can fully immerse myself.

I'd be hard pressed to find a better aviary than Scripps or Owens. I know Omaha and St. Louis have nice ones for waterfowl/waders, but, as I said, I like the smaller tropical birds (rollers, turacos, etc.)
 
@SnowLeopard:
So what are the "most overrated zoos? I'll give you a complicated answer. To me, the most overrated are any zoos that are highly rated based on how many AZA Exhibit of the Year awards they've won. There are a couple of these zoos I can think of, but I'll refrain from naming them. What's actually most overrated is the AZA EOTY award. As I've said many times, this award is more political than it is based on exhibit excellence. When none of Omaha's "Big 3" (Lied Jungle, Kingdoms of the Night, Desert Dome) have won the award, when Disney's Animal Kingdom has never won, and the same is true of Columbus' excellent zoo, that should tell you there's something false about this award.

@Sun Wukong: To your request,
And please @snowleopard: no more ratings, no more Top 10's, Top 20's , Top 156's! We already discussed all the pro's and con's of such zoo rating attempts again and again and again and again...Just don't get absorbed by your work ethic, no matter how very tempting this might be. Thanks.

Gosh, Sun, what's your problem? Some of us actually LIKE rating zoos and rating exhibits. Some of you don't. Fine. Then just ignore them. But hey, if you can't come up with a moral or ethical point against such lists, then lay off! By the way, Sun, I'm guessing you are not a fan of the new book by Anthony Sheridan, in which he does many zoo ratings.

Actually, Sun, I have a proposal for you. While you and I have clashed in the past, I'd actually like to meet you and I'll bet we'd get along better in person than we do on ZooChat. I've heard that you work for some German zoo. Next year I will be doing a grand tour of German zoos. So if you are interested in meeting up when I come to your zoo, send me a Private Message via ZooChat.

@Tim Brown:
San Diego,Bronx,both Berlins,Henry Doorly...top five zoos in the world,and ive visited over 500.

Tim, I have visited over 230 zoos worldwide (not nearly as impressive as your number), and I have to say -- I have no arguments with your Top 5. I'm not sure they would be my Top 5, but all 5 of them would be in my Top 10. I'd also have to strongly consider some of the zoos that Sun Wukong suggested, especially Burgers (Arnhem), Rotterdam, Vienna, and Prague, as well as Beauval and (this may surprise some of you) Kolmarden.
 
San Diego Zoo has proven to be a divisive zoological park on this forum, as there are constant debates over the merits of the self-proclaimed “world famous” establishment. There seems to be an established acceptance that the zoo is one of the very best not only in North America but worldwide, but on numerous threads there have been valid arguments put forth that the animal collection is not what it once was, the exhibits built in the past decade have been lacking in quality, and the zoo still has far too many small wire cages and outdated grottos to truly be #1.

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Getting back to the original subject of this thread, whether the San Diego Zoo is overrated, one thing I would point to is their commitment to rebuild the outdated parts of the zoo over the years.

10 years ago I would have said that the zoo was somewhat overrated in part because it had massive monkey and bird complexes in the middle of the zoo that were built in the 1930s (I think) and were really lousy. These bad exhibits were torn down and replaced with the new rain forest exhibits. Similarly the hoofstock exhibits were mostly smallish dusty grottoes that have now been replaced with Elephant Odyssey (I know several people here don't see that as an improvement).

Starting in the late 1980s the zoo made a commitment to fix their crappy exhibits and most of what exists now (gorilla exhibit, the tiger forest complex, Polar Bear Plunge, orangs/siamangs, elephant and monkey exhibits) is the result of that effort. They still have a lot to fix, like all of the lousy grottoes in Cat Canyon (or whatever they call it now), but at least they act on it, unlike some zoos like San Francisco which seem to be content to rot into unending decline.

I think that San Diego is a model for how a zoo should be revamped, and as one of the largest zoos they have undertaken a massive effort to do this. I think this earns them their reputation as a great zoo.

As a conservation organization they have a lot of work to do to live up to their potential. They currently seem to be going around the world asserting that they are the leading elephant researchers and conservationists, when they are in fact nothing of the sort. They need to learn to work collaboratively with the elephant research/conservation community to become the effective conservationists that they claim to be. As a conservation organization they are in some ways very overrated, but they seem to be working to change this and that is encouraging.
 
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