The 'sense' thread

I really hate the pressure of being forces to tip. Anyone in the UK will be familiar with the toilet attendants that open the tap for you and give you paper towels (as though we can't help ourselves).

Why is America's minimum wage so low?? Why not just add a service tax automatically to the bill?



Should tips be banned in restaurants?

A New York restaurant has banned tipping to spare customers the bother. So is the discretionary tip falling out of favour?

Read more:
BBC News - To tip or not to tip... or should it be banned?
 
Because tipping is usually indicative of good service, IE I tip more when I get good service less when I receive poor service.

The point I want to know as an 25 year old American in what some consider a "poor" state when I've worked I've always made at least 20 percent more than the minimum wage (in 05 at my first wage job ie not farm work I made 6.50 when the minimum was 5.15). Where are all these minimum wage earners and how sorry is the quality of their work?
 
In Australia, minimum wage earners seem to often be school and university students who have a part-time job at restaurants, shops, and supermarkets. We don't tip the guy in the supermarket or the girl in the department store when I get "good service" (excuse me, which aisle is the toilet cleaners?) so why should I tip a restaurant employee for doing their jobs like the rest of us?
 
Australia's minimum wage facts:
National minimum wage - Pay - Fair Work Ombudsman


National minimum wage for adults

Currently the full-time minimum wage is $15.96 per hour or $606.40 per week. This means that most employees in the national system shouldn't get less than this.

Casuals covered by the national minimum wage get an extra 23% ($19.63 per hour).

National minimum wages for apprentices, juniors & trainees

There are special national minimum wages for trainees, apprentices and juniors who don’t have an award or agreement. From 1 July 2012 these are:

Juniors:

Under 16 years of age $5.87
At 16 years of age $7.55
At 17 years of age $9.22
At 18 years of age $10.90
At 19 years of age $13.17
At 20 years of age $15.59.
Apprentices

Year 1 of apprenticeship $10.22
Year 2 of apprenticeship $12.08
Year 3 of apprenticeship $14.87
Year 4 of apprenticeship $17.65.
 
nanoboy said:
In Australia, minimum wage earners seem to often be school and university students who have a part-time job at restaurants, shops, and supermarkets. We don't tip the guy in the supermarket or the girl in the department store when I get "good service" (excuse me, which aisle is the toilet cleaners?) so why should I tip a restaurant employee for doing their jobs like the rest of us?
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its definitely an American thing, if they are performing a service for you its just something Americans do.
 
and the flip-side is that if they (waiters) think a customer won't be a good tipper (i.e. maybe they look poorer than the rich-looking guy at the other table) then they won't give as good service because they are working off tips. Its the stupidest system in the world.
 
JBZvolunteer said:
In Michigan miinimum wage currently is $4.25 for tip earning jobs for minors and increases to 4.50 for adults. For jobs that you don't get tipped for it is $7.25 for minors and $7.40 for adults.
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The amount I posted is for a job I'm interested in at a local restaurant where tips are allowed.

~thylo:cool:
 
The trick, it seems, is to dress really nicely and mention that you are a banker to the waiter if you want good service. :D

But what exactly is good service versus bad service? The guy or gal takes your order and brings you your food - what more is expected??
 
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