This book belongs in all of our rubbish bins

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My library got in a new book about zoos so I got it out for a read. It is called "Thought To Exist In The Wild" and it turned out to be an anti-zoo book (it's subtitled "awakening from the nightmare of zoos", which is a bit of a giveaway). It's a book where all zoos are death-camps and all zoo-keepers are evil monsters. Author Derrick Jensen ("Called the philosopher poet of the ecological movement" says his probably self-written bio in the back) is one of those people who live in a world where animals aren't shot or put down: they are murdered, executed or assassinated. Now, I'm more than willing to criticise zoos if need be, as I'm sure probably well over 95% (99%?) of the members of this forum are, but I really find it difficult to understand how someone can have such a vehement hatred of anything (zoos, race, religion...I'm sure its all the same) that it blinds them to everything including their own deluded stupidity. Its hard to imagine how these people even function in everyday life.

Some selected quotes from the book's text:

"A zoo is a nightmare taking shape in concrete and steel, iron and glass, moats and electrified fences. It is a nightmare that, for its victims, has no end save death." -- page one (and, so readers get the point, repeated word for word on page seven)

"Its not entirely accurate for me to say that ancient zoos contained "tremendous numbers" of animals, just as it wouldn't be entirely accurate for me to say that zoos today contain "tremendous numbers" of animals. Zoos don't contain numbers at all. They contain animals, individuals one and all." -- page two

"Zoos are deadly, with "stock turnover" of between one-fifth and one-quarter of the animals per year." -- page five

"Standing in the zoo, I wish I had a gun [....] to end the bear's misery." -- page 129

Other amusements in the book include the lengthy treatment of how animals were captured and killed by Romans, how they were captured and transported in Hagenbeck's day, etc, all accompanied by the not-discrete implication that the same occurs in the zoo world today. In fact its stated that zoos today still obtain their gorillas, elephants, rhinos, etc by heading out into the wilds and gunning down the adults in order to steal the babies.

I was likewise amused by the "[sic]" that follows every quoted "it", "what", "which" or "that" which reduces the animal to an object instead of a being. Or this, on page 6, "The zoo's director of animal care [sic] and conservation [sic]...". The whole book's like that.

On page 15 Jensen goes off on a bizarre tangent about his internet **** viewing habits, using explicit comments that I for one wouldn't want any kid of mine reading.

Perhaps not surprisingly "This book was turned down by numerous commercial publishers."

Was the most entertaining thing about the book that fact that there is an endorsement from the drummer of "Grammy-nominated rock band Fall Out Boy" on the back cover? You bet it is.
 
I want to get it to have a look but not buy it or get anyone else too...

What a dilemma!

Sounds like a PETA/Animal Libber book
 
its one of those books that is so bad you almost can't bear to continue, and yet you're compelled to read to see what he's going to come up with next. Its good for a laugh at least.
 
Some of these people live in a world of their own with very selected tunnel vision
 
you mean the book is endorsed by a band who's first music video features performing great apes?

Haha, yeah, and doesn't their lead singer actually own a capuchin monkey? Maybe all the monkeys in zoos should be liberated, and allowed to go live with rockstars, just as nature intended.
 
I think the author is probably just bitter in general- I googled him after reading this post and these are the titles of some other books he's written:

"Standup Tragedy"
"The Other side of Darkness"
"The culture of make believe"
"The Day Philosophy Dies"
"Welcome to the Machine: Science, Surveillence, and the culture of control"
"As the World Burns: 50 Simple Things you can do to Stay in Denial"- a "Graphic novel"

...the other titles are similar. Maybe he just needs a hug....
 
Our docents got together and actually got that book banned from the local library--very determined volunteers!!

I don't agree with banning books, mainly because it gives their message more power. ie, it must contain something that frightens the people who want it banned. Better to argue against it.
 
I don't agree with banning books, mainly because it gives their message more power. ie, it must contain something that frightens the people who want it banned. Better to argue against it.

A perfect example of this is when Professor Umbridge bans the Quibbler from Hogwarts in Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix and then everyone reads it. LOL
 
I searched by using the title of this book, the sites that came up were disturbing. There are more righteous animal people out there than I thought. You know the kind, they are right and don't give a damn about what is truth, only what they want to believe is the truth--same as the author.
 
A perfect example of this is when Professor Umbridge bans the Quibbler from Hogwarts in Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix and then everyone reads it. LOL

HAHA- That's the best quote of all time PAT! All the same- I hope nobody takes this book seriously...I'm all up for freedom of speech; but I think zoos are amazing and I'd hate to see someone turned off from them because this is the first book they pick up on the topic :(
 
... or some counselling?

Tee hee- you're more than welcome to try counselling him- though I'd be inclined to say he's probably a lost cause :). Boof you're more than welcome to kick him in the nuts- as long as I'm far away from this angry author when you do it!
 
Unfortunately I have met the attitude as quoted (I haven't read the book so a little bit in the dark here) often in the 'animal welfare' world. That zoos are wrong and all the animals within them should be euthanized and therefore 'put out of their misery'. This is not too massively unusual, this author has formalised the opinion in a book.

Perhaps it is easy for these particular people to live in a bubble of 'perfect' ideology, if they have no relationship with the animals that reside there. When I have asked if they would be willing to administer the lethal drug on healthy animals living within well formed family groups, or as appropriate for each species, you can imagine that then the reality hits home on their own brand of a 'perfect' world.

I would like to hope that I have changed some peoples' minds in relation to zoos, in my childhood (ok in the dinosaur years!!) zoos were dreadful with the old Victorian cages and attitudes. I cared enough about the animals living there to want to return and try in due course to help in creating a more appropriate/better environment for the animals living in zoos.

Zoos have come a long way,those who think zoos are prisons are perhaps still of the thinking that the Victorian model is the norm. All zoos can of course continue to improve. Some still remain dreadful there is no doubt.
 
Taken from an internet quote:

'Sometimes I fantisize about imprisoning zoo advocates and zookeepers to give them a taste of their own medicine. I would confine them for a month and then ask if they were still eager to make jokes about the pacing monkey they call “Jogging Man.” I would ask them if they felt grief, sorrow, resentment, and homesickness, and if they still believe that animals do not need freedom. I wouldn’t listen to their answers, though, because I would not care to hear about their experiences.'

As someone who is finishing his college course in two months and hoping to enter the wide world of zookeeping, I'm genuinly offended. I'd like to think that I'd treat any animal in my care with respect and show it the care it deserves.
 
HuxleyPig, I am in agreement.

The problem is we have animals in zoos at present, their ancestors were taken using a model way before our time and the present generation of zoo animals' time. This is the way it is. Maybe in an ideal world if there was funding to rehabilitate every animal from every zoo back into the wild (never mind issues around lack of immunity to viruses, introduction into living in a wild state, etc etc) we could end zoos. But where would this funding come from? There are some wonderful reintroduction progammes in some instances, but the cost is huge. Who will pay? I would doubt this would happen and for a great deal of zoo animals would be impossible in any case.

So..........we let all the present zoo animals die out one by one, (basically who would then pay for their upkeep whilst this happenning, not the general public who would no longer visit) or we kill all the present zoo animals off. Or.. we try to make the conditions that were once dreadful, yes indeed, better and then better again.

I know many, many zookeepers and curators and most have such caring for their animals, many staying up all night to attend to a sick animal or to hand rear a baby whose mother has rejected them. They talk with affection and knowledge and are happy to impart that knowledge to benefit other animals from other zoos all round the world.

And yet..... it is possible to understand how people arrive at the conclusion perhaps that zoos are prisons, I certainly wish that we had never begun the business of trapping and displaying animals in the first place, that would have been better but here we are, as we are, and that is the world we humans have created.

A dialogue is always good in any case, perhaps having an open forum is a way forward in all instances, perhaps?!

You do sound as if you will be a great addition to the zookeeping world yourself!:)
 
Lol, thankyou very much. Im actually rather daunted by the whole process of it being up to me to find a job in a zoo soon. I have no idea where to begin.

And yeah I agree with what your saying, that theres no way back from whats been done and its now our responsibility to give all the animals in zoos a comfortable life. I feel that now such a wide collection of animals exists in captivity around the world the purpose has changed from entertainment. I believe it is now morally justifiable to keep animals in zoos for conservation purposes and to keep nearly extinct animals from dying out, but it must be done properly, responsibly and with the animals comfort in mind. If the zoos had the money to keep all the animals comfortable without public funding then I'm pretty sure that there would be fewer zoos left open publicly. Unfortunatly with a lack of funding they need to involve a certain amount of public entertainment to keep going. Its a shame it all happened, but I think we can learn from mistakes and put what has been done to good use :)

I hope what I'm trying to say came across clearly
 
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