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If I'm fully sincere, I'm pretty bummed that the mountain ungulate area is being phased out and didn't get to see it for myself. Are most of the species gonna be phased out? I really hope I'm wrong :(

Most of the species are still in the park. Steller's Sea Eagles for example just moved to the eagle circle. Some of the animals will even return to the mountain area eventually. Some will find their place elsewhere in the park and some may indeed leave.
As to the special alpine landscape of the area, I hope and think it will be moderately enhanced rather than destroyed. The area is huge and the budget is rather limited. So they cannot really change everything even if they wanted to. The species mix will be more attractive in my view.
 
Beareded vultures (the same supspecies as kept in the zoo) are native to the himalayas and most of the tibeten plateau, and even their main population exists their.

Yeah, that was a copy/paste error as I was compiling the list on my phone :)
 
There actually are plans to restructure the monkey building so that orangs and gibbons can live there. But as others pointed out, there are projects with higher priority at present. If you consider the harsh critcism which Brehm building, pachydermy building and sunbear building received this is kind of understandable. However, I also have to agree about the Himalaya project: It may (or may not) turn out well, but it wasn't desperately needed like some of the other projects. So I guess, this could indeed be a bit questionable.

Definitely there are other enclosures that need re-doing before the gibbons, particularly that sun bear one!
 
Well, just looking at the list of species held in the area in recent years, one can work out which don't fall within the biogeographic remit of "Himalayas" - it's not a perfect means of seeing how much will be lost (or indeed gained) but I suspect it will be fairly accurate:

Ural Owl (Strix uralensis) - NOT HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
White-lipped deer (Cervus albirostris) - HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
Transcaspian urial (Ovis vignei arkal) - NOT HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
Chinese goral (Naemorhedus griseus arnouxianus) - HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
Marco Polo sheep (Ovis ammon polii) - HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
Tajik markhor (Capra falconeri heptneri) - NOT HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
Altai lynx (Lynx lynx wardi) - NOT HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
Northern blue sheep (Pseudois nayaur szechuanensis) - HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
Sichuan takin (Budorcas taxicolor tibetana) - HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
Pallas's cat (Otocolobus manul) - HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
Steller's sea eagle (Haliaeetus pelagicus) -NOT HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
Alpine Ibex (Capra ibex) - NOT HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
Snowy Owl (Bubo scandica) - NOT HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
European Wolverine (Gulo gulo gulo) - NOT HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
Alpine chamois (Rupicapra rupicapra rupicapra) - NOT HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
Eurasian elk (Alces alces alces) - NOT HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
European wildcat (Felis silvestris silvestris) - NOT HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
European mouflon (Ovis orientalis musimon) -NOT HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
Eurasian crane (Grus grus grus) - NOT HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN
Bearded Vulture (Gypaetus barbatus barbatus) - NOT HIMALAYAN/TIBETAN

Two confirmed additions are snow leopard and red panda I believe.
This give me hope :) thanks
 
Tea Loving Dave's list actually inspired me to compile a list of major species which will actually be displayed in the mountain area (I will only mark species not displayed in the mountain area before):

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Copyright: Tierpark Berlin


SPECIES

ungulates
- Chinese Goral (Naemorhedus griseus arnouxianus)
- Marco Polo Sheep (Ovis ammon polii)
- Northern Blue Sheep (Pseudois nayaur szechuanensis)
- Sichuan Takin (Budorcas taxicolor tibetana)
*- Golden Takin (Budorcas taxicolor bedfordi) (from another part of the park)*
- White-Lipped Deer (Cervus albirostris) (from mountain area but virtually invisible before)
- Tufted Deer (Elaphodus cephalophus) (from another part of the park)
- Kiang (Equus kiang) (from another part of the park)

other mammals
- Pallas's Cat (Otocolobus manul)
- Snow Leopard (Panthera uncia) (from another part of the park)
- Red Panda (Ailurus fulgens) (from another part of the park)
- Francois' Langur (Trachypithecus francoisi) (new to the park)
*- Daurian Pica (Ochotona dauurica) (from behind the scenes)*

birds
- Bearded Vulture (Gypaetus barbatus barbatus)
- Himalayan Monal (Lophophorus impejanus) (from another part of the park)

*not quite official yet as far as I know

So, even though they will mainly move animals around from one part of the park to another (apart from the langurs), the species mix of the mountain area will be far more diverse (and imho far more attractive). And there already are debates among German zoonerds on whether this list is even comprehensive (for example Himalayan Monals may be accompanied with smaller birds like laughingthrushes as they do this in most aviaries at the pheasantry) and if there may be future additions (e.g. Cranes, Asian Black Bears...).
 
Are they even occupied since the sun bears moved to the ABH?

I didn't see anything there while I was in Berlin in october.

I don't really understand why they would focus on the mountain area first. Most of the exhibits are fine and I feel like some areas could actually use some kind of upgrade : parts of the monkey house, some of the aviaries around the zoo - or even get a proper bird curator as I believe they didn't have one last time the subject was raised here, on zoochat.
If this mountain area renovation is really about what TLD said :
"How better for Kniereim to make it clear he is trying to expunge the legacy of Blaszkiewitz than by completely replacing the one major extension to Tierpark Berlin the latter oversaw?",
then it's very sad that Tierpark Berlin now has a director with this kind of mindset.
 
I also looked up some videos on the gibbon enclosure. As has been pointed out, there may be better ones but I think it should do the job for some years until they get a new exhibit in the monkey building.

These two show how the gibbons return to the enclosure at the beginning of spring

This one just shows some more of their playful behaviour

Some of their terretorial behaviour

A longish (and oldish) clip about feeding time (but it shows how they do use the ground at times)

And a random (but atmospheric) one about a windy day
 
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@Rayane The old sun bear complex (which also used to be an ape exhibit (!) further in the past) does not display any animals any more. I think this area will even be taken out of the public routes, if I remember this correctly.

As to the relation between new and old administration: It is far better than what it used to be (Andreas Knieriem used to complain heavily about the state of the park and certain enclosures) but he hardly ever acknowledges anything which happened after Heinrich Dathe left the park (even though Bernhard Blaszkiewitz led the park about 23 years and modernized and extended many many many acres of enclosures (a bigger enclosure area than the entire size of many zoos in Germany or Europe). Quite a number of Tierpark enthusiasts is not happy about this. On the other hand, Andreas Knieriem did manage to collect funds and push large projects ahead in a way hardly anyone in Berlin would have thought possible. I have to acknowledge that he is very good at selling himself and the park and in most cases I do like his taste for (re)designing things.
The biggest problem some people (not only zoo nerds) in Germany have is the (temporary) loss of spectacular species like lions, rhinos, manatees etc without replacing any of them so far. But the newly developed areas did bring far more visitors in the park than ever before (even without mentioned highlight species).
 
*- Daurian Pica (Ochotona dauurica) (from behind the scenes)*

Although if one knows where to look, their offshow breeding complex has been visible from the footpath for some years :P I hope they do go on-display in the fullness of time, as they are very appealing animals.

the species mix of the mountain area will be far more diverse (and imho far more attractive)

Other than the addition of a primate, I don't think it *is* more diverse to be honest - the list of "mountain area" species I posted upthread shows a 55% 20% 25% split in terms of hoofstock, other mammals and birds, whilst the list provided by yourself has a 53.3% 33.3% 13.3% split, which - although it at first glance *looks* like a large boost in "other mammal" diversity - pretty much comprises going from 4 to 5 species held, inflated in proportion by a big drop in the avian diversity. Moreover, If one takes into account the fact that the pika was already present in the mountain area, but off-display, the species count doesn't change at all!

@Rayane The old sun bear complex (which also used to be an ape exhibit (!) further in the past) does not display any animals any more. I think this area will even be taken out of the public routes, if I remember this correctly.

That's pretty much what I presumed would happen, given the fact that a large portion of this corner of the Tierpark has either already been given the axe (the old snake farm / reptile house for instance) or is on the verge of imminent closure (the crocodile house). Shrinkflation of the footplan of a zoo is unfortunately not a new thing - see, for instance, the several areas of Chester Zoo which are now closed to the public or will soon be off-limits.
 
@TeaLovingDave You are completely right about the birds. Unfortunately they don't seem to rank high for the new administration. But I'm still confident there will be more than two species eventually. I think they even still have some fitting ones in the park.

As to the mammals I still think the new mix will be far more attractive.
The wolverines were awesome but have been gone for a long time now and I hardly ever managed to see the wild cats at all. Pikas and white-lipped deer were not displayed like an official part of the collection.
So apart from birds it was pretty much down to (allbeit interesting) sheep/goats/takins, of course the impressive moose and lynx/palas's cats.
I still enjoyed the mountain zoo area as it always kind of felt like entering another zoo.

But I'm sure the Himalaya area will give a still stronger impression of a complete collection.
Besides goats/sheep/takins there will be small and large deer as well as kiangs and probably also yaks which I forgot to mention. I think this mix of ungulates will be more interesting for most visitors.
And besides small cats (palas's cats) there will be big cats (snow leopards), red pandas and even monkeys. The pikas are not as spectacular of course but they could still be well received (small and cuddly-looking). I am also curious, if they will implement further existing species such as Himalaya striped squirrel (I don't even know where they are now but apparently they are still somewhere in the park).
I can well imagine they will keep adding exhibits and aviaries to keep the area attractive.

Looking at it from another perspective: Several Zoos in Germany and Europe display European alpine animals, including some great displays set in actual alpine regions (just as there often is a clear focus on seals, sea birds etc at the northern part of Germany as with Bremerhaven).
On the other hand, only few zoos have a Himalaya area and if so, it is usually neither large nor very hilly. In most cases you will find snow leopard and red panda - and then hardly any more than that. Neither of these impressive species guarantees activity and around the next corner you already hear some tropical monkeys, parrots etc.
So an entire mountain zoo area dedicated to Himalaya is quite a unique and exclusive experience (perhaps as much so as providing a still larger and more diverse Africa complex than other zoos).

I still believe the overall concept for Berlin Zoo and Tierpark is exactly the right strategy: A high density of highlights in the city zoo and a relaxing trip through the continents of the world and their most characteristic habitats in the landscape zoo. Berlin Tierpark will never beat Berlin Zoo when it comes to spectacular species. But they have a whole lot of space and a good strategy to make use of it. And they continue to display (and sometimes even add) some very rare and interesting animals (I'm looking forward to Francois langurs or yaks as well as to pikas and Himalayan monals in their new enclosures).

So even when the park adds/returns lions, rhinos, apes, seals etc they can integrate them into habitats that have been attractive or even unique in the first place. Besides that they put a whole lot of effort into planting and landscaping to make the park more attractive as a landscape zoo.
 
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I agree with markmeier, I think the refurbishment of the mountain extension will rather be an enhancement of the previous work rather than eliminating previous director's work and that adding deer, kiangs and yaks will bring more diversity in the eyes of common visitors.
It was not a priority neither but maybe it fits well into the strategy to offer a big new achievement to public while a big chunk of the zoo will be refurbished with the large African panorama.

Regarding takins, three species are currently held at the Tierpark, only the Sichuan ones are in the extension. Do you know if they plan to move other subspecies up there ?
I would personally love to see the large herd of Mishmi takin extended and living in a large hilly and naturalistic enclosure but do not know if it is in the plans.
 
But I'm still confident there will be more than two species eventually. I think they even still have some fitting ones in the park

It's a pity the Himalayan Snowcocks eventually died off (and, from what I have heard, have subsequently been entirely lost in private hands due to a cold wet winter or two hitting the few breeding groups hard).

and probably also yaks which I forgot to mention

If only they could get wild yak :p

On the other hand, only few zoos have a Himalaya area and if so, it is usually neither large nor very hilly. In most cases you will find snow leopard and red panda - and then hardly any more than that. Neither of these impressive species guarantees activity and around the next corner you already hear some tropical monkeys, parrots etc.
So an entire mountain zoo area dedicated to Himalaya is quite a unique and exclusive experience (perhaps as much so as providing a still larger and more diverse Africa complex than other zoos).

To be honest, my reservations mostly lie in the fact the concept art seems to indicate they plan to go in an excessively-themed and tacky "Hanover" style - and it is this which gives me pause.
 
To be honest, my reservations mostly lie in the fact the concept art seems to indicate they plan to go in an excessively-themed and tacky "Hannover" style - and it is this which gives me pause.

You are not the only one concerned about this. Andreas Knieriem once stated he still does like themed areas very much but they kind of overdid it a bit in Hannover. Having said that, I did see some documents for Himalaya which included a number of elements from traditional regional culture. Given the size of the area and the limited funding as well as the appearance of prior projects in the park, I still wouldn't worry too much about it. These elements will certainly be recognizable at certain spots but quite likely the natural landscape will still dominate the overall impression.
 
Regarding takins, three species are currently held at the Tierpark, only the Sichuan ones are in the extension. Do you know if they plan to move other subspecies up there ?
I would personally love to see the large herd of Mishmi takin extended and living in a large hilly and naturalistic enclosure but do not know if it is in the plans.

I'm not entirely sure. I heard Sechuan and Gold takins will live up at the Himalaya area (a large section is even called Takin valley or valley of the Takins). I think I also heard something about Mishmis being planned for Berlin Zoo (but they already have some takins there so I don't know, if Berlin Tierpark still keeps theirs as well. There will be other sections for Asian animals apart from the Himalaya zone.
 
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