Tigers, Lions, & Leopards OH, MY! (Big Cats)

TeaLovingDave said:
Were you fortunate enough to get photographs? :p
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The African golden cat exhibit was a long way back from the pathway and, frustratingly, I always found it extremely hard to take decent photos of them.

Somewhere I've probably got some slides of this species but none that are good enough to scan and post on ZooChat.
 
Dassie rat said:
Here is my list from memory
Lion, tiger, leopard, jaguar, snow leopard, clouded leopard
Puma, jaguarundi, cheetah
Asiatic and African golden cats
Leopard, fishing and rusty-spotted cats
Wild, sand, black-footed and Pallas's cats
Canada and Eurasian lynxes, bobcat
Serval, caracal
Ocelot, margay, oncilla, Geoffroy's cat, pampas cat
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My list would be almost the same, without the African golden cat and I may have seen pampas cat at Kilverstone, but can't be sure. I can add Jungle cat though
 
Hello Pipaluk and Tim.
I forgot about seeing the jungle cat.
I saw an African golden cat at Port Lympne and/or Rotterdam. Rotterdam had a flat-headed cat on my first visit, but I don't remember seeing it.
On my first visit to Howletts, there was a marbled cat off-show, but I only found out about this after my visit.
 
The sunda clouded leopards I saw in these collections were around 6-8 years ago. The one in the mini zoo (near Kuching) was likely to be a confiscated animal which was probably - at the time - recently wild caught due to its aggression towards visitors (it could also have been an orphan). Unfortunately, you may be disappointed to know that the enclosure was not completely adequate. 'A cage' would be a more appropriate term due to the fact that it consisted of wire bars a concrete floor, ceiling and wooden platforms attached to the wall as well as a few logs.

I have just remembered that the other clouded leopard was not in a crocodile farm but was at a wildlife rescue centre (I can't remember what it was called or where it was, sorry). I recall a netted enclosure with lots of climbing logs and vegetation. This specimen was probably been released into the wild shortly after I viewed it.

Unfortunately I did not take any pictures as I saw them when I was very young.
 
Dassie rat said:
Rotterdam had a flat-headed cat on my first visit, but I don't remember seeing it.
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I was never lucky enough to see the flat-headed cat on any of my visits to Rotterdam either.
The only time I have seen this species was in Lincoln Park (Chicago) when the curator, very kindly, took me behind the scenes especially to see the flat-headed cat although, as mentioned previously, I didn't get a very good view of it.
 
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it might be worth noting that the revised Felidae taxonomy is available online here: https://repository.si.edu/bitstream...e_Taxonomy_CatNews.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

I have put the list of 41 species on this other thread for quick perusal (it is also on page 76 of the link above, which includes their opinions of valid subspecies): online newsletter for small cats

Of those 41 listed species I have seen only 24 in captivity (all the big cats and mainly Old World small cats - I've only seen 4 out of the 12 New World small cats on that list). Seven of those 24 I've also seen in the wild. Then there's Pallas' Cat which I haven't managed to see in captivity but have probably seen (only the eye-shine of) in the wild.
 
Chlidonias said:
it might be worth noting that the revised Felidae taxonomy is available online here: https://repository.si.edu/bitstream...e_Taxonomy_CatNews.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

I have put the list of 41 species on this other thread for quick perusal (it is also on page 76 of the link above, which includes their opinions of valid subspecies): online newsletter for small cats

Of those 41 listed species I have seen only 24 in captivity (all the big cats and mainly Old World small cats - I've only seen 4 out of the 12 New World small cats on that list). Seven of those 24 I've also seen in the wild. Then there's Pallas' Cat which I haven't managed to see in captivity but have probably seen (only the eye-shine of) in the wild.
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Just for fun, trying to list the cats I've seen (full species level only), sadly none of them in the wild: Lion, Tiger, Jaguar, Leopard, Snow Leopard, Clouded Leopard, Puma, Cheetah, Serval, Caracal, European Lynx, Bobcat, Jaguarundi, Ocelot, Margay, Asian Golden Cat, Rusty-spotted Cat, African Wildcat, Scottish Wildcat, Geoffroy's Cat, Leopard Cat, Pallas's Cat, Jungle Cat
Might have missed out the odd small species from the dim & distant past.
 
FBBird said:
Just for fun, trying to list the cats I've seen (full species level only), sadly none of them in the wild: Lion, Tiger, Jaguar, Leopard, Snow Leopard, Clouded Leopard, Puma, Cheetah, Serval, Caracal, European Lynx, Bobcat, Jaguarundi, Ocelot, Margay, Asian Golden Cat, Rusty-spotted Cat, African Wildcat, Scottish Wildcat, Geoffroy's Cat, Leopard Cat, Pallas's Cat, Jungle Cat
Might have missed out the odd small species from the dim & distant past.
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How could I forget Sand Cat?
 
Chlidonias said:
Of those 41 listed species I have seen only 24 in captivity (all the big cats and mainly Old World small cats - I've only seen 4 out of the 12 New World small cats on that list). Seven of those 24 I've also seen in the wild. Then there's Pallas' Cat which I haven't managed to see in captivity but have probably seen (only the eye-shine of) in the wild.
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Let's see how I am doing then - all of these are captive.

Lion Panthera leo
Jaguar Panthera onca
Leopard Panthera pardus
Tiger Panthera tigris
Snow Leopard Panthera uncia

Mainland Clouded Leopard Neofelis nebulosa

Caracal Caracal caracal
Serval Leptailurus serval

Geoffroy's Cat Leopardus geoffroyi
Ocelot Leopardus pardalis
Northern Tigrina Leopardus tigrinus
Margay Leopardus weidii

Asiatic Golden Cat Catopuma temminckii

Canada Lynx Lynx canadensis
Eurasian Lynx Lynx lynx
Bobcat Lynx rufus

Puma Puma concolor
Cheetah Acinonyx jubatus
Jaguarundi Herpailurus yagouaroundi

Mainland Leopard Cat Prionailurus bengalensis
Sunda Leopard Cat Prionailurus javanensis
Rusty-spotted Cat Prionailurus rubiginosus
Fishing Cat Prionailurus viverrinus
Pallas' Cat Otocolobus manul

Domestic Cat Felis catus
Jungle Cat Felis chaus
African Wild Cat Felis lybica
Sand Cat Felis margarita
Black-footed Cat Felis nigripes
European Wild Cat Felis silvestris

So a total of 30 species - slightly more than I expected actually, but barring new species coming into European collections there are only two more I can get without going further afield - these being Southern Tigrina and Iberian Lynx.
 
Following the new taxonomy (though I share the opinions of others when it comes to some of these revisions such as with tigers and leopard cats):

Lion Panthera leo
  • Asiatic Lion Panthera leo leo
  • South African Lion Panthera leo melanochaita
Jaguar Panthera onca
Leopard Panthera pardus
  • Amur Leopard Panthera pardus orientalis
Tiger Panthera tigris
  • Mainland Tiger Panthera tigris tigris
  • Sunda Tiger Panthera tigris sondaica
Snow Leopard Panthera uncia

Mainland Clouded Leopard Neofelis nebulosa

Caracal Caracal caracal
  • South African Caracal Caracal caracal caracal
Serval Leptailurus serval

Ocelot Leopardus pardalis
  • Brazilian Ocelot Leopardus pardalis mitis
Oncilla Leopardus tigrinus
Margay Leopardus weidii
  • Yucatán Margay Leopardus weidii glauculus

Asiatic Golden Cat Catopuma temminckii
  • Tibetan Golden Cat Catopuma temminckii moormensis

Canada Lynx Lynx canadensis
Eurasian Lynx Lynx lynx
  • Northern Lynx Lynx lynx lynx
  • Carpathian Lynx Lynx lynx carpathicus
  • Siberian Lynx Lynx lynx wrangeli
Bobcat Lynx rufus
  • Eastern Bobcat Lynx rufus rufus

Cougar Puma concolor
  • North American Cougar Puma concolor cougar
Cheetah Acinonyx jubatus
  • South African Cheetah Acinonyx jubatus jubatus
  • Sudan Cheetah Acinonyx jubatus soemmeringii
Jaguarundi Herpailurus yagouaroundi

Mainland Leopard Cat Prionailurus bengalensis
  • Indochinese Leopard Cat Prionailurus bengalensis bengalensis
Rusty-spotted Cat Prionailurus rubiginosus
  • Sri Lankan Rusty-Spotted Cat Prionailurus rubiginosus phillipsi
Fishing Cat Prionailurus viverrinus
Pallas' Cat Otocolobus manul
  • Northern Pallas' Cat Otocolobus manul manul

Domestic Cat Felis catus
African Wildcat Felis lybica
  • North African Wildcat Felis lybica lybica
Sand Cat Felis margarita
  • Arabian Sand Cat Felis margarita thinobia
Black-footed Cat Felis nigripes
European Wildcat Felis silvestris
  • Scottish Wildcat Felis silvestris silvestris

Following this new taxonomy I currently have seen 27 species and 37 taxa (including having seen non-ssp taxa along with ssp for those species; 33 not counting this)

Furthermore, following this taxonomy I will have lost the following taxa from my lifelist:

Mexican Jaguar Panthera onca hernandesii
North-Chinese Leopard Panthera pardus japonica
Malayan Tiger Panthera tigris jacksoni*
Himalayan Snow Leopard Panthera uncia uncia

Damara Caracal Caracal caracal damarensis

Florida Bobcat Lynx rufus floridanus

*Or Amur Tiger, P. t. altaica, point is I've lost a tiger ssp.

~Thylo
 
If you needed further proof that you can be a so-called expert and not know much, here it is. A ranger in Ujong Kulong National Park took a photo of a leopard and is claiming it is a Javan tiger as potential proof they are not extinct. The department of forestry is sending it out for investigation. Ummm - hello, I can save you the time right now. It took me less than a minute to judge from the tail length that it is a leopard with 100% certainty (not to mention the fact it has no stripes).
Declared extinct decades ago, a Javan tiger may have just been photographed in Java’s Ujung Kulon National Park | Coconuts Jakarta
 
Arizona Docent said:
If you needed further proof that you can be a so-called expert and not know much, here it is. A ranger in Ujong Kulong National Park took a photo of a leopard and is claiming it is a Javan tiger as potential proof they are not extinct. The department of forestry is sending it out for investigation. Ummm - hello, I can save you the time right now. It took me less than a minute to judge from the tail length that it is a leopard with 100% certainty (not to mention the fact it has no stripes).
Declared extinct decades ago, a Javan tiger may have just been photographed in Java’s Ujung Kulon National Park | Coconuts Jakarta
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that is bizarre. The photo is 100% clearly a leopard. And it's not even like there has been an immediate release to the media with no chance to, you know, look at the photo for more than three seconds. It was, according to that article, taken last month and they are going to send in people to investigate...

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I had a further look around. The only English-language article is that one, which made me suspicious it was a hoax article. But there are loads of different articles in Indonesian papers, albeit all saying much the same thing, so it does look genuine on the face of it.

I really fail to see how anyone with any wildlife experience could think it was a tiger in the first place, and further how it has progressed this far as to be released to media, three weeks after the fact.
 
My list:
Lion (African, Barbary)
Tiger (Amur, Generic)
Jaguar
Leopard
Snow Leopard
Clouded Leopard
Caracal
Serval
Geoffroy's Cat
Canada Lynx
Eurasian Lynx
Bobcat
Cougar
Cheetah
Sand Cat
Black-Footed Cat
Domestic Cat
 
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