Something that anti-zoo people seem to bring up a lot as a reason why zoos are bad is stereotypic, stress-driven behavior. "Zoochosis", if you want to use their lingo. A well known example of this is pacing in carnviorans, like felids, ursids, canids, etc. As much as it hurts me, a longtime zoo lover, to admit this, since reading about this as of late, I have been more attuned to said behavior, and have witnessed several instances of it on my recent zoo visits. For example, big cat enclosures, even expansive ones, often have trails indicating frequently-used routes along the edges of exhibits. For example, when I was at Detroit the other day, an Amur tiger walked back and fourth along its enclosure's back fence a couple times. And in a video I recently saw from the Philadelphia Zoo, a sloth bear kept going back and fourth along the edge of its enclosure. I could probably easily name a half dozen more instances I've witnessed in the recent past. Does this mean that even in standard AZA zoos, where animal welfare is of the upmost concern to staff, the pacing animals like tigers and sloth bears still seem to do a lot of indicates they are dealing with considerable stress regardless? Should I pushing much more aggressively than I am for phasing these animals out of traditional zoos, into facilities more like The Wilds or White Oak Conservation? Or have I been brainwashed by anti-zoo people and do most examples I've likely witnessed of carnivorans pacing not likely represent stressed-out animals? Not to sound too aggressive, but these questions have been eating me a little bit lately and I'd like some answers from people I trust aren't too biased either way.