Colin
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I was at the Zoo on Sunday and was able to see the baby chick. I did take a picture but you can hardly see the baby (not worth posting).
Will they post on the Zoo's site when the Cheetah cubs go on exhibit?
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I was at the Zoo on Sunday and was able to see the baby chick. I did take a picture but you can hardly see the baby (not worth posting).
Will they post on the Zoo's site when the Cheetah cubs go on exhibit?
Zoogoer2000
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I'd think so,This is only the second cheetah litter since the African Savanna opened in 1998 as far as I know.Does anyone remember what the old exhibit was like and how it was viewing wise?
Leptonyx
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I don't think the cheetah exhibit changed much from what it is now. At least what I remember it was still a pretty flat field, but you could only see it from the front from two or three viewing areas (in between had bushes in between- there wasn't any side glass panels like they have now)
Does anyone remember Simba? I believe he was the first of Nokanda and Rowdy's, and he's over in the Quebec Zoo I believe. He was handraised, but incredibly cute
Does anyone remember Simba? I believe he was the first of Nokanda and Rowdy's, and he's over in the Quebec Zoo I believe. He was handraised, but incredibly cute
Quartz,
Species are phased-in and phased-out for many different reasons, only one of which is availability. As you pointed out, there are several zoos in Canada which maintain (and breed) muskox (Calgary, but also St. Felicien, Winnipeg, and the Yukon Wildlife Preserve). The phase-out of muskox from Toronto is not as a result of unavailability. (Although I should point out that just because a zoo has animals does not mean that they will send them to another zoo that wants them).
The reason that the zoo is phasing out muskox:
As we've been through before, muskox require heavy-duty (read: expensive) containment, and due to high materials costs (and budget-crunching) the zoo was not able to afford building a new enclosure for them in the new tundra. (And while the current exhibit/holding will still be there, the zoo is not looking at filling it with muskox just because it is there).
Species are phased-in and phased-out for many different reasons, only one of which is availability. As you pointed out, there are several zoos in Canada which maintain (and breed) muskox (Calgary, but also St. Felicien, Winnipeg, and the Yukon Wildlife Preserve). The phase-out of muskox from Toronto is not as a result of unavailability. (Although I should point out that just because a zoo has animals does not mean that they will send them to another zoo that wants them).
The reason that the zoo is phasing out muskox:
As we've been through before, muskox require heavy-duty (read: expensive) containment, and due to high materials costs (and budget-crunching) the zoo was not able to afford building a new enclosure for them in the new tundra. (And while the current exhibit/holding will still be there, the zoo is not looking at filling it with muskox just because it is there).
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So if they are not phased-out for availability, then what for? If you don't know then I understand, but what other reasons are animals phased out for? And wouldn't it be a better choice to send the animal to live with others of its kind instead of leaving it in an exhibit alone?
I thought I had explained in my last message (I'll go back and add in a few words to make it clearer):
They are being phased out because the zoo cannot afford to build them a new home, and they do not want to invest in a population of animals to inhabit an exhibit that may be closed in a few years. (Or, you could just think of it as "the zoo doesn't want to continue keeping muskox").
Regarding the current male, I suspect he is a very difficult animal to place: he is 15 years old, neutered, and has a rather tainted social history. I don't know if the zoo has tried to find him a new home, but given these factors they may have decided not to bother trying. Remember that just as zoos may not be willing to send animals to other places, they are just as likely to not accept animals from other institutions (remember the kerfluffle with the reindeer males earlier this year? Two males that had been "surplus" for four years were still at the zoo).
They are being phased out because the zoo cannot afford to build them a new home, and they do not want to invest in a population of animals to inhabit an exhibit that may be closed in a few years. (Or, you could just think of it as "the zoo doesn't want to continue keeping muskox").
Regarding the current male, I suspect he is a very difficult animal to place: he is 15 years old, neutered, and has a rather tainted social history. I don't know if the zoo has tried to find him a new home, but given these factors they may have decided not to bother trying. Remember that just as zoos may not be willing to send animals to other places, they are just as likely to not accept animals from other institutions (remember the kerfluffle with the reindeer males earlier this year? Two males that had been "surplus" for four years were still at the zoo).
You're right, Quartz, phase-in and phase-out both imply a long time frame.
Phasing out can take quite a bit of time, both among zoos and within a zoo. You may have to wait for all of the animals to die ("attrition"), or search for new homes for every one. But by putting the label "phase-out" on a species, it gets people in the mindset of seeing them go eventually ... it also means that breeding gets stopped (so that you don't increase the number of animals you have to get rid of).
"Phase-in" is a term that is usually only used by the TAGs (Taxon Advisory Groups) for a new species being brought to, say, North America. Because no zoos have them, there is a bit of a campaign that goes on to encourage institutions to accept/acquire this new species, and this can take some time (especially if a zoo has to phase out another species to make room!). When a specific zoo gets in a new species (e.g., when the red river hogs arrived in Toronto), it is usually labelled as an "acquisition" - you either have them, or you don't, so there isn't much of a time frame involved! (I should have probably used "acquired" instead of "phased in" in my message above)
Phasing out can take quite a bit of time, both among zoos and within a zoo. You may have to wait for all of the animals to die ("attrition"), or search for new homes for every one. But by putting the label "phase-out" on a species, it gets people in the mindset of seeing them go eventually ... it also means that breeding gets stopped (so that you don't increase the number of animals you have to get rid of).
"Phase-in" is a term that is usually only used by the TAGs (Taxon Advisory Groups) for a new species being brought to, say, North America. Because no zoos have them, there is a bit of a campaign that goes on to encourage institutions to accept/acquire this new species, and this can take some time (especially if a zoo has to phase out another species to make room!). When a specific zoo gets in a new species (e.g., when the red river hogs arrived in Toronto), it is usually labelled as an "acquisition" - you either have them, or you don't, so there isn't much of a time frame involved! (I should have probably used "acquired" instead of "phased in" in my message above)
Zoogoer2000
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I don't think that the zoo has thought of plans for the cheetah cubs or the newest baby zebra yet but The rest and Zebrina the older zebra baby are probably going to be moving on the near horizon.Last I heard Kali and Indah weaned and seperated from there mother and its probably the same story for the siberian and leopard cubs.
Zoogoer2000
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I was watcing a show called the Rick Mercer Report and it was a behind the scenes episode at Toronto Zoo.When they got to the siberian tigers,Rick asked Olivr Claffey the zookeeper how many tigers the zoo had and he said 4 siberian and 3 sumatran.WHen he said 3 sumatran,i thought that must mean on of the cubs have been transfered to another zoo,just wondeirng if anyone could shed light on this
Zoogoer2000
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Thank you Ungulatye,funny that there keeping them for so long
mstickmanp
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I went to the zoo today! I know again lol, I'm such a nerdbut the one interesting thing is that I saw was a baby mandrill! (2 months old)
Yeah, I've seen some pics on flickr of the baby mandrill.
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Checking baby out on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Look mom, I'm upside down! on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Zoogoer2000
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he's so cute,who are the parents, Jabba and Annette?
Zoogoer2000
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Ok I went on the website and i've comeback with info on the baby mandrill.
Its a girl, her parents are Jabba and Annette, She was born December 2, 2008 and for anyone wondering, there are currenly 6 Mandrills. Does anyone know if threre due to get a new outdoor exhibi twith the renovation?
Its a girl, her parents are Jabba and Annette, She was born December 2, 2008 and for anyone wondering, there are currenly 6 Mandrills. Does anyone know if threre due to get a new outdoor exhibi twith the renovation?
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