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@HawkAlot, while you are right and the conversation is kinda off topic its also a very valid conversation for the development thread. We are counting down the last days of the domain. Legally I think it should be closed already but clearly they are allowed to keep it open for some reason. They wouldnt risk the fines.

I think what would happen if the Domain closed today is the raccoons will go to the Discovery Zone. There's not a great option but there are serviceable ones. Or well maybe just to see if I can have an aneurism Tundra Trek into the old arctic fox exhibit. This might be easier. Just install a roof an its totally enclosed.

The cougars are probably headed back to Assiniboine when they are ready. Teeka is old and Bowen is probably her replacement. We didnt go without cougars as long as we did because we needed to find one. Orphans are available every year and we could have easily enough got a sibling set or a lone cub which would have been way better than adult Bowen. Yes he's young but the zoo could have pumped up a cute sibling set of orphaned cubs and got the good press from taking in helpless orphans. The zoo didnt do that so I dont think we really replaced our cougars. I think we are just doing Assiniboine a favor.

The bison will just stay off display. I dont think they would use the wisent exhibit for even just a few male bison. The zoo typically likes to use that exhibit to serve as quarantine for incoming hoofstock and if needed its close to the health center for someone who might need to be closer for care. The zoo doesn't have an easy replacement if needed. Anything else the animal would have to be brought further into the zoo and would be closer to other animals. The zoo probably will miss this exhibit when its gone one day. Point is I can see the bison staying put. The zoo could offer a behind the scenes tour to see them for those interested the most in them. Plus when the Wilderness eventually opens if we havent seen bison in years it would almost be like a new species, thus creating interest.

Lastly would be grizzly Shintay. Honestly given her age why would you move her? Closing the domain to guests doesnt mean the animals have to move. They will just live off display. She could just live our her days in her home of 26 years with the keepers who love her. And I mean that's assuming the domain closes today. When they actually do close it she might already be gone. She's that elderly.

And as to whether we would get more grizzlies once the Wilderness opens while its not the plan that they showed us that doesnt mean they wont rethink it. When they did the master plan the only concrete things was the orangs outdoor and the entrance because one was being built and the other designed. The rest is just ideas that could easily be changed by the time they start designing and building. One never knows what the future might bring, especially this far away.
 
@HawkAlot,
Lastly would be grizzly Shintay. Honestly given her age why would you move her? Closing the domain to guests doesnt mean the animals have to move. They will just live off display. She could just live our her days in her home of 26 years with the keepers who love her. And I mean that's assuming the domain closes today. When they actually do close it she might already be gone. She's that elderly.
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Agreed no ethical reason to move Shintay, the Grizzly Bear, at her age it would provide to much unnecessary stress to go from a secluded exhibit in the area of the zoo that sees the least foot traffic to one of the most highly trafficked exhibits in the zoo.
Only reason to move her now is for necessary medical examination that can't be performed on exhibit
 
Though obviously completely out of the question due to cost and short of a massive investment into the spacing as a whole the perfect solution to inaccessibility of the Domain would be an inclined railroad similar to the one they have in Niagara Falls.
 

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Though obviously completely out of the question due to cost and short of a massive investment into the spacing as a whole the perfect solution to inaccessibility of the Domain would be an inclined railroad similar to the one they have in Niagara Falls.

I could see these lifts as a solution to the hill in the Domain. I think the problem is the zoo could spend millions doing it but at the end of the day it makes no sense. If the land down there was bigger and they could do more with it maybe. But as it is why would you spend so much money getting people down to see 4 maybe 5 species. That same money could go to redeveloping an area of the zoo and pay to consolidate things in already underutilized space. It wont pay for all of it but it would make a dent in the budget.

Oh if the maglev project had only happened. I know the zoo still dreams of it but its been what almost a decade of absolutely no movement. I gave up hope on it long ago. If that happens I will be honestly thrilled. I just don't think it will. That was the solution to keeping the Domain and it was free. What a bummer.
 
I could see these lifts as a solution to the hill in the Domain. I think the problem is the zoo could spend millions doing it but at the end of the day it makes no sense. If the land down there was bigger and they could do more with it maybe. But as it is why would you spend so much money getting people down to see 4 maybe 5 species. That same money could go to redeveloping an area of the zoo and pay to consolidate things in already underutilized space. It wont pay for all of it but it would make a dent in the budget.

Oh if the maglev project had only happened. I know the zoo still dreams of it but its been what almost a decade of absolutely no movement. I gave up hope on it long ago. If that happens I will be honestly thrilled. I just don't think it will. That was the solution to keeping the Domain and it was free. What a bummer.

All that said - I think there would be value to conserving the domain. It holds a lot of nostalgia for many folks, it is very beautiful down there, and I think people appreciate the large paddocks more than what is realized. It obviously needs a very big facelift/upgrade, and a transportation/accessibility solution to be viable into the future. I don't think it will happen - but I wouldn't be sad it that space was able to stay open.
 
The Canadian Domain could be made to encourage survival of Canadian animals and migratory bird nesting, diversity would not be a problem. Cable Gondola is slow moving and would give a Birds Eye view of the entire domain, it is proven people mover technology and very cost effective. Maybe I could get support for my Bank Swallow nesting project too.
 
At the zoo today for a brief visits. Noted that the signing has been removed from the GOHR barn, and in place there is a generic zoo banner, and all signage outside of the exhibit is Babirusa related. While there is still one Indian Rhino left at the zoo, the phase out is clearly coming.
 
At the zoo today for a brief visits. Noted that the signing has been removed from the GOHR barn, and in place there is a generic zoo banner, and all signage outside of the exhibit is Babirusa related. While there is still one Indian Rhino left at the zoo, the phase out is clearly coming.

Clearly being transferred out sooner as opposed to later. I wonder where to?
 
At the zoo today for a brief visits. Noted that the signing has been removed from the GOHR barn, and in place there is a generic zoo banner, and all signage outside of the exhibit is Babirusa related. While there is still one Indian Rhino left at the zoo, the phase out is clearly coming.
While I am really sad for the male Indian rhino going ...., I see there was no credible way with the current US / Canada import/export regulations (I believe very much US defined create unnecessary hurdles for transfer South or North (it seems akin to ... the Continental disaster that became known as Brexit in Europe).

Mind You: Imagine if we were dealing with livestock like cattle or pigs everything is geared towards safe and fast transport and delivery!

Any idea where the bull Vishnu might be transferred to? His male 5-year old offspring Kiran is due out to Miami MZ.

Given the headcase transfer dealings ... would it be possible to give Vishnu a second lease of life in Europe (he is largely unrelated to the European population) ?
 
While I am really sad for the male Indian rhino going ...., I see there was no credible way with the current US / Canada import/export regulations (I believe very much US defined create unnecessary hurdles for transfer South or North (it seems akin to ... the Continental disaster that became known as Brexit in Europe).

Mind You: Imagine if we were dealing with livestock like cattle or pigs everything is geared towards safe and fast transport and delivery!

Any idea where the bull Vishnu might be transferred to? His male 5-year old offspring Kiran is due out to Miami MZ.

Given the headcase transfer dealings ... would it be possible to give Vishnu a second lease of life in Europe (he is largely unrelated to the European population) ?

I don't know where Vishnu might be headed but I can see him going south. He is valuable to the North American population even with two sons and siblings and their descendants.

The one more likely to go to Europe might be elder son Nandu. He's just wasting his incredible genetic potential at Safari Niagara. He too should go to the US. And probably to one of the larger herds.

By the way Kiran is already in Miami. Has been for awhile now.
 
I don't think Vishnu the Greater One Horned Rhino will be getting transferred out any time soon. The reason why he's not always on display is because of his current skin condition. He's under constant treatment and has white bandages stuck on to him and sometimes has to have his feet wrapped up when it gets bad around that area. That's why they took him off display this summer because guests that visit think it's because he's being mistreated and it doesn't paint the zoo in a good light to casual observers. They've actually been a little successful in helping treat the skin. He's out in the barn usually after 3pm because I go and make sure I visit him on my trips. He's the absolute sweetest boy though and I'm pretty confident he'll be staying at the zoo
 
I don't think Vishnu the Greater One Horned Rhino will be getting transferred out any time soon. The reason why he's not always on display is because of his current skin condition. He's under constant treatment and has white bandages stuck on to him and sometimes has to have his feet wrapped up when it gets bad around that area. That's why they took him off display this summer because guests that visit think it's because he's being mistreated and it doesn't paint the zoo in a good light to casual observers. They've actually been a little successful in helping treat the skin. He's out in the barn usually after 3pm because I go and make sure I visit him on my trips. He's the absolute sweetest boy though and I'm pretty confident he'll be staying at the zoo

Don't get me wrong because I will be terribly sad when we no longer have any greater one horned rhinos, just pity to lose a day one species. But I would like to see Vishnu shipped out as soon as possible. Guts me to say that. Vishnu is such a sweet boy and he is a legacy animal which I adore. The fact is he s very valuable genetically. His father Vinu was our first greater one horned rhino and he was an import. While Vinu was a decent breeder (6 calves made it to adulthood) once he left us (he and Indira simply didnt get along) his imported genetics are still very valuable. I dont know the genetic make up of his mother Ellah's line as well but she only had Vishnu and 3 other calves so her genetics could be valuable as well. I would hate to see Vishnu's genetic potential being wasted up here. He could die young like Asha did and maybe all we get is Nandu and Kiran. And Asha's death was an epic tragedy because she was the number 1 or 2 female at the time of her death. At least we got Nandu and Kiran who can carry on her bloodline and diversify the North America greater one horned rhino population as they have calves. Selfishly I want Vishnu but if we arent going to breed him then I would like to put aside my desire to keep him because I love him for the good of the species. Maybe then one day the zoo will change its mind again and we can have one of his descendants back as a legacy animal again. I wont hold my breath on that but I'll dream big.
 
Don't get me wrong because I will be terribly sad when we no longer have any greater one horned rhinos, just pity to lose a day one species. But I would like to see Vishnu shipped out as soon as possible. Guts me to say that. Vishnu is such a sweet boy and he is a legacy animal which I adore. The fact is he s very valuable genetically. His father Vinu was our first greater one horned rhino and he was an import. While Vinu was a decent breeder (6 calves made it to adulthood) once he left us (he and Indira simply didnt get along) his imported genetics are still very valuable. I dont know the genetic make up of his mother Ellah's line as well but she only had Vishnu and 3 other calves so her genetics could be valuable as well. I would hate to see Vishnu's genetic potential being wasted up here. He could die young like Asha did and maybe all we get is Nandu and Kiran. And Asha's death was an epic tragedy because she was the number 1 or 2 female at the time of her death. At least we got Nandu and Kiran who can carry on her bloodline and diversify the North America greater one horned rhino population as they have calves. Selfishly I want Vishnu but if we arent going to breed him then I would like to put aside my desire to keep him because I love him for the good of the species. Maybe then one day the zoo will change its mind again and we can have one of his descendants back as a legacy animal again. I wont hold my breath on that but I'll dream big.


Oh I get it. I was sad to see Kiran go but I'm happy for him and to continue to help his species. I'm just not sure with Vishnu's skin condition if he's going to be moving. It's been going on for a little while now but we'll see. I'd love for that big lovable rhino to go somewhere and be able to put his genetics to good use
 
Oh I get it. I was sad to see Kiran go but I'm happy for him and to continue to help his species. I'm just not sure with Vishnu's skin condition if he's going to be moving. It's been going on for a little while now but we'll see. I'd love for that big lovable rhino to go somewhere and be able to put his genetics to good use

I dont think a skin condition would stop him from moving. In fact a move might be good for him. He might benefit from moving to a zoo in a different environment. Maybe he would do better in an arid climate for example. Or to just be at a zoo were hes not really on display but still gets lots of space like The Wilds. He might hang out with us awhile longer but I dont think we are looking at a lifer.
 
I dont think a skin condition would stop him from moving. In fact a move might be good for him. He might benefit from moving to a zoo in a different environment. Maybe he would do better in an arid climate for example. Or to just be at a zoo were hes not really on display but still gets lots of space like The Wilds. He might hang out with us awhile longer but I dont think we are looking at a lifer.
I hope so! I was thinking a better climate would be beneficial for him too
 
I dont think a skin condition would stop him from moving. In fact a move might be good for him. He might benefit from moving to a zoo in a different environment. Maybe he would do better in an arid climate for example. Or to just be at a zoo were hes not really on display but still gets lots of space like The Wilds. He might hang out with us awhile longer but I dont think we are looking at a lifer.
I was thinking the same thing!

A much more agreeable climate with sunny and less damp-wet-freeze-snow-frosty on the menu and a more semi-arid/tropical-arid environment might do his skin condition more than alot of good. Plus if he be provided with indoor stalls and outdoor exhibitry with rubber matting and woodchips/soft surface.... for his feet that be equally a husbandry life-improvement. Pretty confident there is a lot that can be done to improve both health hazards...down South. And FWIIW: The MTZ is not likely to invest now in a major upgrade to the rhino holdings ... anyway!

BTW: Has anyone actually popped the million dollar question and asked zoo staff and collection management what happens now with the one remaining greater one-horned rhino?
 
I was thinking the same thing!

A much more agreeable climate with sunny and less damp-wet-freeze-snow-frosty on the menu and a more semi-arid/tropical-arid environment might do his skin condition more than alot of good. Plus if he be provided with indoor stalls and outdoor exhibitry with rubber matting and woodchips/soft surface.... for his feet that be equally a husbandry life-improvement. Pretty confident there is a lot that can be done to improve both health hazards...down South. And FWIIW: The MTZ is not likely to invest now in a major upgrade to the rhino holdings ... anyway!

BTW: Has anyone actually popped the million dollar question and asked zoo staff and collection management what happens now with the one remaining greater one-horned rhino?

Not much point in asking staff about the future now that we have only one greater one horned rhino. We already know the plan. The zoo is phasing them out. Asha was supposed to leave first, but she died before she could even begin crate training. Kiran was up next and he's now in Miami. Vishnu will be last but no timeline or destination has been provided yet. The long term plan was to phase the rhinos and the tahr out and then make a new Sumatran tiger habitat in their places with a babirusa exhibit as well. However the zoo just made a significant investment in the Sumatran tigers current exhibit space. Unless the renovation was done with a future inhabitant in mind I am not sure what to make of all of that. Only thing Im certain of is Vishnu will leave eventually. What comes after that is anyone's guess.
 
The Zoo has now a new temporary entrance due to the Conservation center construction. Guest will be rerouted to the Kids Zoo where the entrance is near it. I am not sure where it is located. It is planned to move back to the original main entrance in Mid-June 2025
The Toronto Zoo
 
This will be an interesting change, hopefully things stay on track and the main entrance will open for th summer again.

It's crazy, looks like you go through the big aviary, I am guessing they have cleared out the kids zoo quite a bit.
 
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