Toronto Zoo Toronto Zoo Discussion thread 2019

I went to the Zoo last weekend, first chance I've had post an update...here's a few things I found interesting - or just enjoyed (I try to go every month or so but for various reasons I hadn't made it there since Boxing Day).

(Sorry, this will be a looong post - and mostly mammal-focussed.)

Indo-Malaysia:
Ashakiran & Kiran inside...and now over a year old, he is getting so big! Still acting like a youngster though, even still "sat" like a dog (as he used to do as a baby).
One of the males was in the main outdoor exhibit - not sure if it was Vishnu or Nandu, as he mostly had his head stuck in the door wanting go back in. My guess is Nandu, seemed "smoother" than I remember Vishnu.

Sumatran tigers being noisy, but not very visible (they were both hanging out in chute areas almost under the bridge).

Didn't look at the outdoor clouded leopard exhibit due to several zillion screaming children in oversized strollers. Did see one asleep in a hammock in the inside exhibit (leopard, not child ).

No butterflies yet, but lots of broody-looking birds.

I was SURE I'd seen somewhere recently that we lost one of the white-handed gibbons...but I was obviously mistaken as there were two in there, and when I went back to look I couldn't find any posts or news stories.

Puppe was out by herself, she'd left her blankets and yogurt cups by the window and was laying lazily on her back in a sunbeam in the middle of the exhibit, one foot hanging onto a rope, while she occasionally fanned herself with a palm frond like a silent screen actress!

African Savannah/Rainforest:
Lots of work being done on the outdoor exhibit public fencing, especially all around the Savannah area, I'd noticed last year that some of the fence poles and railings seemed quite rickety, so this was badly needed.
White rhinos, zebra, kudu, warthogs and river hippos still off exhibit - not that I expected otherwise - although it was a mostly sunny day, there was still ice in the corner of the hippo pool.

Two cheetah were out, happily munching on bones, baboons out being their usual rude selves, one hyena napping in the cave, and the lion pride were up on their lookout, surveying their kingdom and giving the crowd amazing photo ops. Fintan's mane is absolutely magnificent now it's all fully grown back!

The eland were all out, which surprised me. I noticed their coats did look a bit fuller/less sleek than usual, perhaps they're adapted (somewhat) to the cooler weather?
The Watusi were technically on exhibit, but were hiding in their lean-to at the back, could just see them (yet when I was there in November they'd been out in the snow. Go figure!)

Penguins were mostly inside - but they had the freedom to go back and forth - a few were braving the world and checking out the outdoor pool.

Gorillas were of course inside - the bachelor boys in the day room and the rest of the troop in the rainforest. Charlie's getting big - still mostly riding on mum's back, but Ngozi is getting much more casual with her...if she is ready to move and Charlie doesn't hang on quick enough when she is placed up there, Ngozi will go anyway (if it's just a short way), leaving Charlie to waddle behind, hanging on to her mum's rear end for dear life instead (and sticking her head between Ngozi's back legs). Quite amusing! It also seemed as though Ngozi was trying to get Nneka to "baby-sit", but Nneka wasn't having it - she'd take off every time Ngozi came towards her with Charlie.
I think she was more interested in her own "baby" as when I first went in there, Nneka and Johari were carrying around a stuffed animal each. When I popped back in a couple of hours later, Nneka had commandeered both toys and was carrying one in her hand and the other with her foot (or sitting on it).

There was also new (to me) signage at the gorilla exhibit - under the usual "please respect our gorillas, do not yell or tap on the glass", there was another asking people not to show them any videos, as the content could be upsetting and potentially cause problems with the family dynamics. Makes you wonder if there was an incident that warranted putting this up.
Oh, also classy new updated pictures and descriptions of the troop(s) including Charlie, on the wall on the pavilion.

Penelope the pygmy hippo is getting big, and was hiding out on her own in the water under the bridge, while Kindia munched food up on dry land. Later they were both together in the water.

First time I went in, no red river hogs and no signage. I was so disappointed. I asked a volunteer in the area and she honestly had NO clue what I was talking about - first confused them with warthogs, then told me their exhibit was outside and closed for the season, and that the babies weren't on display yet. I had to tell her that they'd been exhibited recently and regularly in the area where Harvey usually is, according to the Zoo's social media. Volunteer looked even more confused so I just thanked her and left. Anyway, I went back later and the whole river hog family were now out, albeit all asleep and huddled up together but even asleep, at least I got to see the hoglets before they completely lose their stripes.

Giraffes. Oh I do love them. They were inside, Mstari at the back diligently stripping bark off branches that had been hung up, and Kiko near the front eating hay.
There were several volunteers inside, and I ended up chatting to someone who (unlike the other lady with the hogs), seemed very knowledgeable, not just about the giraffes themselves but about the whole zoo and what's going on. She mentioned that the new CEO is very excited to push through a lot of the things that the zoo is behind on (she specifically mentioned the outdoor orang space), and said he is also very big on the horticultural side of things (especially with the value of the zoo's collection). I said I'd noticed all the fencing & repair work being done and she said he also wants to replant/tidy up a lot of the plants around the zoo, in public areas where a lot of the species that were planted are being overrun by native plants, and starting to look a bit messy.
She said he is also big on other things the zoo can do to attract visitors, like the light show and other evening events . I commented that these events are all well and good, but for people like myself (and most of my friends) who rely on the TTC to visit, these events are out of reach - as the buses stop running before the events end - and a 2km trek uphill to the main road for a bus is NOT something people want to do, especially at night. She said that was valuable feedback and she would pass it on, and that she knows the zoo is well aware that transit options are an issue, especially for the busy summer tourist season.

But! Back to the giraffes. She basically said that the two have been very busy breeding over the past few months, even to the point of having to close down the Giraffe house occasionally to give them "private time" (and presumably so as to not traumatise toddlers! )
Whether or not there is actually any pregnancy they have no idea, but even if it hasn't happened yet they're very pleased that Kiko and Mstari have definitely figured out what needs to be done.

Australasia:
No kangaroos out yet, as expected. Inside, a komodo standing over a log - no clue which one - it was big and staring at everyone.
One wombat (Arthur?) being very open and animated while he groomed himself...no echidna to be seen (I have NEVER seen it!)
Overheard nearby, a man saying to his companion "I honestly thought wombats were just a made up cartoon animal." She just burst out laughing.
The jellyfish appeared to have shrunk a lot... therefore I conclude they get replaced with new stock every now and then.

Tundra Trek:
I happened to be at the right place at the right time, so got to see keeper Amy doing a training session with Hudson at that side entrance to the "maternity" exhibit (just like the video the zoo posted a few months ago). It was fabulous to see up close!

I didnt go any further into Tundra Trek, but did see the wolves sunning themselves on the hilltop.

Eurasia:
Amur tigers - Vasili asleep on the grass in the back of the large exhibit, Kira pacing back and forth in the smaller one. At least she was going by the window, to the thrill of the very loud kids. My ears weren't so thrilled.
Gorgeous animals though.

The tur were mostly eating - with one inside the feeder - as usual. One male tried to step daintily over a log, only to find himself trapped by a higher branch, he spent some time head-butting it before giving up and backing out.

I didn't go all the way around Eurasia, my feet were killing me, but did go down to the snow leopards - one was sleeping on the ground near the back, could barely see it though.
But...have I been blind for the past few years and completely missed the Chamois exhibit across from the snow leopards? I swear, in all the visits I have never noticed it! Well, there is a signed exhibit and there was at least one in there, contentedly chewing its cud.

Walking back out I was happy to see a couple of Przewalski's horses in that holding area between Eurasia/Tundra. I always make a point of looking as that's the only place I can see them when the zoomobile isn't running. Usually there's a bison or two up there as well, but didn't see any this time.

And that's it! I didn't make it into the Americas this time, and Canadian Domain is, for me, sadly usually just a carefully planned, once-a-year mission. I can't wait until it is eventually moved "upstairs"!

And finally, I did notice that the permanent restaurants (including the Timmie's Peacock Cafe) had Liquor License application notices posted.

Sorry for the long post (and any typos), but hadn't seen any recent "visit updates", so thought I'd take the time to put this all down.
 
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@TZFan Speaking of Rhino Reserve, do you think any other fauna could be included in there besides asian small-clawed otter? I think the newly-expanded enclosure could be perfect for another species of hoofstock, like blackbuck or nilgai, or perhaps more rare species would be more appropriate.
 
@Judache, the chamois have always been there. You have missed them but in your defense there are only two in there and they are easy to miss because of that.

@Yi Qi, the Rhino Reserve is so far away there is no telling what they will do. They are already a full two years behind on the plans for the orang outdoor. We likely wont see anything there for a good 20 years.
 
Real question... are we even gonna be getting the ourdoor Orangutan exhibit at this point? Maybe getting rid of the Gaurs wasn't such a good idea after all...
 
@tjcf2014, the orang exhibit is coming. Just no where near as soon as originally planned. One can loosely term original. I'm going by the this is the next project and we will be done by 2018. But one could argue its been on the books with a date that changed all the time for a good 10 years, possibly longer.

Getting rid of the gaurs was the first positive step towards it. They have the space. The strike delayed things in more than one way. The obvious way was that the gaurs were not ready for transport at the right time of year so that summer fell away. But also those who looked at design submission weren't working either. No staff no progress. And while they did come back the hold on progress in the search could have knocked some companies out of the running while allowing others to become options again. Best to open the bid again. Then they hire a company to design things and the company screws that up and doesn't complete the job. Back to square one and the bid process begins again.

We finally have design plans which means this summer they can actually get to work. Hopefully demo can begin next month and prepare the site. Construction can then begin. I really don't think spring 2020 is realistic unless things start soon. Personally I wouldn't be surprised with 2021 because an exhibit that long awaited should have the fan fare of being the big thing the summer it opens and not be oh yeah we opened the Eurasian Wilds in late fall.

What could really push the zoo to push for quick completion is if they have an orang infant due that they can really capitalize on it first summer. Come on Budi. Do your job with Sekali soon so the zoo has something big to push for.
 
Speaking of the lion-tailed macaques, do you think its possible the zoo could one day send them or any other monkey to Story Book Farm Primate Sanctuary? They are aging, and the zoo wants to phase them out anyway.
 
I was at the zoo today. Bummer of a day. Everything seemed to be off exhibit. Every visit can't be a winner.

Lemur, Benjamina, was in the health center for a look at one of her feet. I missed it by 2 hours. New mission in life go there first, find out what's scheduled and work my day around that. Looked like some work was done on her. The room was kinda messed up and the garbage can had lots of brownish red stuff in it. Hope she's ok.

The zoo has blocked off the wolf den viewing probably to give the girls more privacy. The proud dad was fast asleep under a tree. So many demands on a new father.

No sign that the Kangaroo Walkabout was due to open soon. I was surprised to see no kangaroos either. I always see them, never well, but they are there. I was bummed because a small part of me was hoping for the walkabout. Just going to have to go back again.

I only saw one of the new caribou on exhibit. Does anyone know if they are shier or did I just have more bad timing? I bothered to go that far just to see the new girls.

The drive through seems to have changed since my last visit. There is now a ramp with rollers and a down ramp to discourage the animals from leaving. I could have missed something last year but it seems new. The staff went on and on about it so it seemed new.

Tur calves are coming. Saw one female that looked like she was about to explode. She has to have twins if not triplets. She was massive. I didn't go close enough to see how many looked pregnant. Just noticed the one.

Oh another thing that struck me. There is some red fencing between the guest fencing and the hyena fencing around the big pine trees heading to the lions. Kanzi was having a fit and huffing and growling at that point in the fence. She seemed pretty agitated. The people walking by there changed so it wasn't a guest that was bugging her. Any idea why that fence is here?
 
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Thanks for the informative post.
I only saw one of the new caribou on exhibit. Does anyone know if they are shier or did I just have more bad timing? I bothered to go that far just to see the new girls.
Every time I've gone by the Caribou exhibit they were completely normal, and the full herd was there. Probably bad timing.
 
I went to the zoo on Sunday and I'd like to confirm a few things...

- yeah, lots of stuff was off exhibit when I went, even the West African Dwarf Crocodiles were off exhibit. the Axolotl and Puerto Rican Crested Frog are off exhibit, probably to make new exhibits. the River Stingray exhibit is completely empty of animals, which really caught my eye. what's been going on?

- the rhinos, zebras, sable antelope, marabou stork, impala, warthog and so many others in the African Savanna are completely off exhibit "for the season"

- apparently they're making a new exhibit for Fiji Banded Iguanas. the Solomon Island skinks have been moved to a different exhibit. the Bearded Dragons are off exhibit, but I'm sure they'll be back. as well, the Sugar Glider is off exhibit.
 
While visiting I went I happened to go to the health center at the right time. Male cheetah, Patonga, was in with digestive problems. They were doing an ultrasound and scoped him. I know digestive issues can be quite serious for cheetahs so we may unfortunately be looking at loosing a 3rd cheetah this year and this one is only middle aged. Bit of a sad idea considering Emma is already a senior cheetah who has outlived her two younger siblings, Bomani and Mahala who just died this year. We could realistically lose her at any time. Losing Patonga too would be another big blow to the cheetah keepers and breeding plans. He's the only proven male we have and Bakari isn't as strong a match for Laini as Patonga is. Hopefully it's minor and he will be fine but something someone might want to check on next time they chat with a cheetah keeper. Could have a big impact on spring cubs.
 
I have that this fall Laini was to breed again with Patonga and Emarah with Bakari, so this is worrisome news.
 
It is most definitely worrying news. If you recall how long it took to bring in Laini and Bakari after Toronto took back the 7 from African Lion Safari, it could be awhile before we get offered a good genetic match from the SSP. Our only chance might be Parc Safari depending on the father of Akeelah's youngest litter and its composition. Laini has a brother there so if her brother is the father they are out. Akeelah's older litter and Cleo's litter already have their futures decided. Added element of worry is the clock is ticking on Laini's ability to breed. She is 5 or 6 so the next litter may well be her last. Leaving her with Bakari and unproven male is not the best option. They can risk time trying with Emarah but getting another litter out of a valuable female like Laini is important. Time will tell.
 
The zoo posted a schedule for upcoming procedures in the health center for the first time! The start times will likely be 11 am. Gosh I wish I could go one of those days. Those are some awesome species to see.

Monday, July 15 AM: Routine health check for Holly the white-handed gibbon
Wednesday, July 17 AM: Annual health exam for Vina the lion-tailed macaque.
Thursday, July 18 AM: Routine processing of Lila the spotted-necked Otter
Friday, July 19 AM: Dental Procedure (tooth trim) on Nicole the prehensile-tailed porcupine

They also posted a video on Facebook of a procedure on wombat Arthur.
 
I had a crazy good day at the zoo. Firstly go read the tour thread to see what happened on my behind the scenes tour with the rhinos.

We started the day with a great zoomobile ride. Those first runs of the day seem to be great. I have done two of them and the driver isn't running behind yet so it super slow and they will stop or slow to a crawl when there is a chance to see an animal. Love that. But secondly the commentator I had was the first I would call good. The didn't run off script and improvised their own. They knew who was on exhibit and little tidbits about them. Really good person. Later in the day though we were with another one and they were right back on script and doing a lousy job of it. Has anyone else noticed a higher quality ride if they go first thing in the day instead of later in the day?

I don't think anyone has made mention of it but if they have I apologize. The zoo has redone the entrance to the health unit. Planted new gardens, added a big new sign, really just opened it up so people will see it and realize they can go in.

For the first time I wondered through the greenhouse. Some of the plants they have in there look amazing. I'm usually so focused on my critters I never pay any mind to the plants. It was definitely neat to see some of them. And the corpse flower is already growing again. It's probably about 6 feet tall already. It will be a long time before it blooms obviously but I was surprised to see it so big again.

We visited the health center. They are now displaying a big white board in one of the exam rooms letting you know who is in and what is being done for the day. For the anniversary a lemur was in for a quarantine exam. I don't know if it's someone coming in or going out. There was also something else but I don't remember what it was. For my day 3 Vancouver Island Marmots were in for a dental exam. Yep that's right I got to see a marmot. Sure he or she was unconscious but who gets to see them ever? Pretty lucky day I think. Again in my experience this summer I have found the animal is usually in for its procedure at 11 am. Hopefully that helps others who want to time a visit there right to see something.

The ostriches were funny. A keeper had set up a hose with a spray gun to mist them. One of the females was yanking and tugging at it. Just having the best time trying to get it to do what she wanted. I don't think she was upset. She just looked like she was playing with it. It was funny to watch. Sadly I dont think I got a good photo of it.

I definitely enjoyed the kangaroo walk about. I had never been in it before it closed so it was interesting to be among the roos. Still sad we don't have emus anymore just to add some diversity but nice to be able to really see the roos and not just from a distance. Caught a glimpse of joey foot. I was denied the adorable face. How do I get the job of keeper in a chair? Yes I'd be on exhibit all day but kicking back in a nice relaxing chair and hanging with the roos all day and occasionally yelling at people sounds like a sweet job!
 
First of all, thanks for the great update! I haven’t visited the zoo in over 6 months so it’s great to hear what’s happening at the zoo.
We started the day with a great zoomobile ride. Those first runs of the day seem to be great. I have done two of them and the driver isn't running behind yet so it super slow and they will stop or slow to a crawl when there is a chance to see an animal. Love that. But secondly the commentator I had was the first I would call good. The didn't run off script and improvised their own. They knew who was on exhibit and little tidbits about them. Really good person. Later in the day though we were with another one and they were right back on script and doing a lousy job of it. Has anyone else noticed a higher quality ride if they go first thing in the day instead of later in the day?
I don’t usually ride on the zoomobile but yes, I’ve found it’s much better in the morning when they give you time to actually see the animals.
 
My mom was at the zoo Friday and visited the Health Center, the volunteers told that her that two tigers that they described as rescues had been in for assessment during the week, they didn't have any further details.
Does anyone know anything about this? Where they came from or what the zoo is planning to do with them?
Don't know the age or subspecies.
 
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