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Hey guys! This is my first post on zoochat! I have been going to the toronto zoo my whole life and I love seeing all of the great changes that are happening to the zoo. I was just wondering if anyone else noticed that on the plans for the panda centre, there is an area labelled "giant salamander". Does this mean that the zoo is planning on getting giant salamanders? I know they had them when there was a eurasia pavilion.
 
Welcome to zoochat arcticwolf! I havent noticed them on the plans myself but something funky is happening with the zoos website and my computer lately so I havent been able to look at any newer plans. Any new species would be awesome though.
 
I hope they do end up getting giant salamanders. They're such a unique species! It's interesting that they're starting to become more common in North American zoos. If anyone knows more about the salamanders please post here! Thanks in advance.
 
I was reading older threads and noticed that there were plans to include a pheasant aviary in the eurasia exhibit. I also know that at one time the zoo planned on acquiring eared pheasants from the Assiniboine park zoo. Are there still plans to acquire them? The zoo needs more birds so pheasants would be great to have. I would love to see them build a pheasant aviary like the one at the columbus zoo.
 
The zoo has Himahlayan Monal Pheasants that they are always moving around. I've seen them in the front Bald Eagle exhibit, Malayan Woods Aviary, Indo-Malaya Free Flight, and Indo-Malaya Hornbill Aviary and that was all within a few months time last year. I'm not sure of their current location, but perhaps they will be apart of it.
 
I hope they get moved. I don't really like them in the indomalayan area because monal pheasants do not live in rainforests. Does anyone else know if the zoo still plans on building a pheasant aviary.
 
Oh good news from the zoo. Sounds like they rejecting PAWS as a home for our girls and the new National Elephant Center set to open next spring in Florida might be a strong contender as their new home. Kill the deal with paws and send the girls to Florida ASAP. From what Ive read about the new facility it would be a great home for the girls with lots of space, state of the art facilities, and the potential to form a larger multi generational herd in the future as breeding begins with younger elephants. They can be true Canadians and retire to Florida!

Toronto Zoo says California sanctuary unsafe for its elephants | Toronto & GTA | News | Toronto Sun

California sanctuary ?not suitable? for Toronto?s elephants, zoo?s CEO says - thestar.com
 
Oh good news from the zoo. Sounds like they rejecting PAWS as a home for our girls and the new National Elephant Center set to open next spring in Florida might be a strong contender as their new home. Kill the deal with paws and send the girls to Florida ASAP. From what Ive read about the new facility it would be a great home for the girls with lots of space, state of the art facilities, and the potential to form a larger multi generational herd in the future as breeding begins with younger elephants. They can be true Canadians and retire to Florida!

Toronto Zoo says California sanctuary unsafe for its elephants | Toronto & GTA | News | Toronto Sun

California sanctuary ?not suitable? for Toronto?s elephants, zoo?s CEO says - thestar.com

Finally!!!!!!!!!! After a year they finally decided to send the elephants to florida. When does the elephant centre in florida open? Hopefully the girls move sooner rather than later.
 
I dont know if the decision to go to Florida is set in stone. To me the article sounded like the zoo was very interested in that option and The NEC was open to the possiblity of taking the girls. From what I've read on TNEC website it sounds like a great place. And its an AZA member focused on the breeding of elephants to maintain a sustainable North American population and providing a home for older elephants whose exhibits have closed. The first phase should be ready sometime in the spring to welcome its first elephants.

Here's the website so you can learn more about it if you would like...

The National Elephant Center
 
I dont know if the decision to go to Florida is set in stone. To me the article sounded like the zoo was very interested in that option and The NEC was open to the possiblity of taking the girls. From what I've read on TNEC website it sounds like a great place. And its an AZA member focused on the breeding of elephants to maintain a sustainable North American population and providing a home for older elephants whose exhibits have closed. The first phase should be ready sometime in the spring to welcome its first elephants.

Here's the website so you can learn more about it if you would like...

The National Elephant Center

Thanks for the link! The elephant center looks great. I really hope the girls move there. I know that the decision is not 100%, but I really want it to be. We probably won't know where they're going until they actually go. I don't think the zoo will want to tell everyone the elephants are going to one place and then they don't go, like what happened with PAWS.
 
You have a point there that they might not want to reveal too much but then again they might want to hype the new location so people get behind the move. I mean they have already gone down that path a little by revealing they are interested in TNEC. They need to go through a review of the TNEC but I think it will easily pass. And the TNEC have to want the girls to be part of their future herd. But I have to agree with you it sounds like a great place to live if your an elephant.

I did find a new article on the elephants and Florida.

Toronto Zoo CEO wants to move elephants to Florida | CityNews.ca

I'm sure if you check out the US board here you could find out more about the center from some very knowledgable American zoochatters who love elephants... theres quite a few of them and the are very active members. Here's the thread on the center too.

http://www.zoochat.com/22/national-elephant-center-21917/
 
Sadly stupid city council just couldnt keep their big fat noises out of the elephant decision and have voted again to do the wrong thing. The zoo will never get accreditation back if they dont let professionals make decisions in the best interest of the animals. I wish the city would just leave things well enough alone. I just hope theres some kind of loop hole the zoo can wriggle through to send the girls to Florida where they belong.

Council votes again to send Toronto Zoo elephants... | CityNews.ca
 
A huge letdown indeed but we must never give up. Politicians don't even know how to identify dog breeds; and therefore, not equipped with the smarts to know how to run a zoo!
 
All I can think is that one of the articles I read earlier this week said the zoos CEO has the power to cancel the deal. Perhaps he has the power to ignore city council and save the girls. This whole thing makes me mad. Anyone of those coucillors would be pretty mad if the rest of coucil with no knowledge of their business started making decisions that directly effected the business they run. Heck "mayor" Ford can't even follow pretty simple political rules and hes been involved in that for 12 years. Are these really the best people to make decisions about our precious and often endangered zoo animals. That new management plan for the zoo cannot be put into place fast enough! Get those arrogant city councillors the heck out of the zoo business before they kill an animal with their incompetence.
 
This posted originally by Jim Francis:

Last night I had the misfortune of watching Toronto City Council betray three of their most admired citizens. For over three decades Toronto has been home to Toka, Iringa and Thika. Anyone who would take the time to read this probably doesn’t need me to explain that these three amazing elephants have once again had their future health and safety put on the backburner to accommodate the pride and politics of the vast majority of our elected officials.

Fool me once, shame on you. Council made a rash decision a year ago that probably seemed like the right thing to do. Very little information was available to them at the time, I can empathize and see how the decision they made then could have seemed logical if they took it at face value and refused to look deeper into some of the issues at hand. Fool me twice... Last night was inexcusable. We watched helplessly as council voted to send the elephants to a colder, less natural, distant facility that has serious infectious disease problems where these elephants will likely never be able to experience the multi-generation herd dynamics that they require for their psychological well being... and for what? Political favours on a more important issue? To save face and not have to admit they were wrong a year ago? Because they didn’t want to admit that the professionals who were hired by the city and had dedicated decades of their lives to caring for these animals knew more than council does about elephant care?

Even though keeping the elephants at the Toronto Zoo was never even a possibility it didn’t stop officials from muddying the waters by attacking their own city employees for no apparent reason. Surely the hypocrisy couldn’t have been lost on these councillors as they criticized the Toronto Zoo for having small enclosures where the animals are kept for long periods of time in the winter, for saying that they have no place in such a cold climate, for arguing that the ‘experts’ say PAWS is good. These very criticisms came from councillors who are in fact members of the zoo board who decided not to expand and improve the very facilities they pointlessly criticized. They were well aware that the facility they chose is in northern California and gets significant amounts of snow, unlike Florida. That the facility in California locks their elephants up in barns smaller than the facility at the Toronto zoo for 12 hours at a time because it is too cold for them outside and unlike here in Toronto has no enrichment program in place to keep the animals occupied during such periods of time. They must have realized that every expert present at that meeting said PAWS was dangerous and that it puts our elephants at risk, in fact the only people endorsing it were represented by year old correspondence that dated back to before any of the concerns about infectious disease were raised at PAWS. Most if not all of these experts were also fortunate enough to receive regular sizable donations from PAWS. No one on council seemed to find this suspicious.

The National Elephant Centre was criticized because council theorized that TB could at some point be an issue, despite the fact that the professionals at the meeting not only said this would not be the case but went into detail as to how such things would be avoided. How do you rule out a facility because your gut tells you that (contrary to logic) they will have to deal with a TB infection at some point in the distant future, and then turn around and vote to send them to a further away, colder, smaller facility that is undergoing an TB epidemic.

It has been said in the scientific community that every person will eventually get cancer if they don’t die of something else first. If I were to apply council’s logic then I might as well take up smoking today.

Council was not done with that however. They then went on to vote down a simple amendment that asked that if the elephants go by plane they are sent in crates that they fit in and go in a plane that is pressurized and temperature controlled, essentially so they can have enough oxygen to survive such an arduous and unnecessary journey. How it is legal to vote for something which in my opinion amounts to animal abuse is beyond me.

The citizens of Toronto should be ashamed of this. The politicians did what bad politicians do. They lied, embellished, misconstrued, and spun the evidence and all of this came at the expense of the elephants.

All hope is not lost though. In their blatant disregard of scientific evidence and facts they also chose to ignore several very important issues. The elephants still don’t fit in their crates, and the paperwork isn’t in place to get them over the border. No amount of ignorance will make those issues go away. One councillor was put on the spot was asked why PAWS hadn’t fulfilled these very basic requirements that they were responsible for? She simply pleaded that it didn’t make any sense because PAWS wanted the elephants. Normal people when confronted with incontrovertible evidence that proves their ideas false will generally (either begrudgingly or not) correct themselves. However we citizens of Toronto are fortunate enough to have councillors not encumbered with such shortcoming as being convinced by facts, but rather they take the more innocent child-like approach of sticking their fingers in their ears and refusing to listen. It would be humorous if it didn’t result in the needless potential abuse of innocent animals.

These councillors still answer to us, the people of Toronto. Please help me and the countless others who fight to right the wrongs done on ‘our behalf’ by our elected officials. I remain confident that the scientific evidence speaks for itself and while the people who run the city may put aside the welfare of these animals for their own means or ignorance, the citizens of Toronto, who run them, will not sit idly by as such atrocities are committed.
 
Even though I'm sad that the elephants are leaving, and the zoo didn't get to decide where they go, I just hope they have a safe trip and a good rest of their lives.
In other news, general admission will increase by $3 in 2013, because of the new panda exhibit.
 
The zoo is looking for a new partner to run the pony rides and camel rides according to the buisness opportunity section of the website. It mentions moving live animals so I wonder if that means our current camels will be going and replaced by new ones? Apparently they are looking to move the camel ride into the Eurasian section which would be nice.
 
It would be great to move the rides back to their original home in Eurasia, as it was definitely a much better experience there (nicer route, scenic, lots of grass, just felt less amusement park-ish)
 
If the camel rides got moved to eurasia (which would be nice), what would they turn the camel ride area into? I'm guessing it will be another ride, or a 4D theatre like most zoos are adding these days.
 
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