I think it should be remembered that Twycross had two baby elephants born on 1998, Tara and Karishma, they were fathered by Chang at Chester, where Tonzi and Minbu were sent to mate, they were born four years before Whipsnade had their first Asian elephant birth, and as for Miss Badham apparently stating that two baby elephants were enough, I dispute this, this is CERTAINLY NOT what she told me in 2002, she had plans to have Noor Jahan mated also, as she did not want to deny her the opportunity of being a mother. She also told me that the elephant group would never be split up, which did not happen under her strong direction, unfortunately Karishma was parted from her family in 2006 and sent to Whipsnade, actions which go against the rule of splitting up a cow elephant and her female calf. Miss Badham also told me that the elephants would never leave Twycross as they were the most popular animals in the zoo with the visitors, just like elephants, I also have a good memory, it is very easy to knock somebody when they are not even alive to defend themselves.