Writhedhornbill
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I've just been reading something on the Antelope and Giraffe TAG that there were plans to import the western subspecies of the giant eland to Europe. Has this happened, or will it happen soon?
Western Giant Eland
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Writhedhornbill
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I'm so Jealous of the Hoofstock kept in the U.S. All those duikers and Gazelles (not to mention San Diego's bountiful pig collection.....)
Kiang, here is the link:
Antelope & Giraffe TAG: Regional Collection Plan
It was the first Collection plan that I found the information on...
Kiang, here is the link:
Antelope & Giraffe TAG: Regional Collection Plan
It was the first Collection plan that I found the information on...
If they were to come to Europe, they would need to come from the U.S or the small population in South Africa, and the logistics for importing from either would be a nightmare!
They have been held in Europe before Antwerp and E Berlin spring to mind, can anyone else
tell what other collections have held them?
I'm sure London would have had them at sometime, have they bred in Europe?
They have been held in Europe before Antwerp and E Berlin spring to mind, can anyone else
tell what other collections have held them?
I'm sure London would have had them at sometime, have they bred in Europe?
Writhedhornbill
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Kiang, the eastern giant eland is the one kept in the U.S. The Antelope and Giraffe TAG mention the Western subspecies (which is rarer apparently..)
Writhedhornbill
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Yes, could be...
Are there still plans with the zebra duiker in Europe?
Are there still plans with the zebra duiker in Europe?
I know of some ranchers that are housing them in Sengal, but I believe all of the males captured, except one, died...leaving little room for any good genetic population. Of course there are other captive hoofstock populations that started out with less. If the EEP is to acquire any, it might be from this stock. There was talk several years ago of importing those animals into the SSP, but luckily they decided to concentrate on the Eastern subspecies.
Writhedhornbill
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Thanks Okapikpr
Sun Wukong
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@Writhedhornbill: Currently, no European zoo seems to have any plans to get zebra duikers-neither for Leipzig's "Gondwanaland" or anyone else. Same might be true for the Giant eland-both Eastern and Western...
@Writhedhornbill Where can you read any recomendation to import western Giant Eland to Europe on the side you linked? I can see only collection plan for AZA members there...
I have just loaded a picture of a poster about the project of captive management of Giant Derby Eland in Senegal. It is in Czech language, but one of the pictures shows the bull Niokolo, the (by okapipr already mentioned) only male founder of the captive herd (44 animals at 2006).
Poster about Derby Eland @ Prague zoo - Photo Gallery
I do not think the logistic itself would be such a great problem (some european collections regularly export hoofed stock to Africa), the main problem is definatly the mentioned import ban from the most countries in Africa.
I have just loaded a picture of a poster about the project of captive management of Giant Derby Eland in Senegal. It is in Czech language, but one of the pictures shows the bull Niokolo, the (by okapipr already mentioned) only male founder of the captive herd (44 animals at 2006).
Poster about Derby Eland @ Prague zoo - Photo Gallery
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I also forgot...
White Oak shipped out 3 Giant Eland bulls last year to a safaripark in Costa Rica called Africa Mia.
.. Africa Mia ..
White Oak shipped out 3 Giant Eland bulls last year to a safaripark in Costa Rica called Africa Mia.
.. Africa Mia ..
Zebraduiker
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@Kiang. The first Giant eland(western) to europe came in 1958 to Frankfurt and died the same year.
Prague Zoo imported 2.3 of the eastern subspecies in 1971. The first female died the same year, and 1.2 died in 1973. The surviving Male was send to Berlin Animal Park.
This Park has started with Giant elands in 1970 with 2.2. In 1972 two calfs were born, in 1974 and 1975 two more calfs. In 1975, both breeding females died, in 1980 the last german giant eland died.
Antwerp got 4.7 giant eland in 1967, but the animals came not in the City Zoo, they were send to Plankendael. In 1971 the zoo breds the first giant eland in europe, 16 more were born until 1978, but only one pair left to zoo und were send to Pretoria. 10 calfs died in an age under 4 weeks. In November 1980, the last european giant eland died at Plankendael.
Paris Zoo has kept them between 1968 and 1974, but never bred them.
I hope to see giant eland someday in europe.
I don't think so that Leipzig Zoo is planning with zebraduiker, I can ask somebody there next week.
Prague Zoo imported 2.3 of the eastern subspecies in 1971. The first female died the same year, and 1.2 died in 1973. The surviving Male was send to Berlin Animal Park.
This Park has started with Giant elands in 1970 with 2.2. In 1972 two calfs were born, in 1974 and 1975 two more calfs. In 1975, both breeding females died, in 1980 the last german giant eland died.
Antwerp got 4.7 giant eland in 1967, but the animals came not in the City Zoo, they were send to Plankendael. In 1971 the zoo breds the first giant eland in europe, 16 more were born until 1978, but only one pair left to zoo und were send to Pretoria. 10 calfs died in an age under 4 weeks. In November 1980, the last european giant eland died at Plankendael.
Paris Zoo has kept them between 1968 and 1974, but never bred them.
I hope to see giant eland someday in europe.
I don't think so that Leipzig Zoo is planning with zebraduiker, I can ask somebody there next week.
Zebraduiker, Thank you for that excellent piece on the history of giant eland in Europe, are there any living descendants of the Planckendael line?
With your inside knowledge of Frankfurt zoo, could you give us some similar information on the gerenuks at Frankfurt, the first zoo in Europe to breed them, i believe the now closed Belle Vue zoo in Manchester held them and bred from them too.
Thanks in advance.
With your inside knowledge of Frankfurt zoo, could you give us some similar information on the gerenuks at Frankfurt, the first zoo in Europe to breed them, i believe the now closed Belle Vue zoo in Manchester held them and bred from them too.
Thanks in advance.
Zebraduiker
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The Pretoria Zoo has bred several times with the pair from Plankendael, but I don't know, if any animal of them is still alive, but I can find out, I have the studbook of giant eland.
Frankfurt got in 1956 a pair of Gerenuks and bred them in 1957 for the first time in the world. They ha da very succesful breeding, after the death of the breeding male, the bred with a son, unfortunately, the breeding was completly inbred. The tried several times, to get new animals from africa, in 1973, they were successful and they could import a male. But it was too late, the females were to old and died shortly after the arrival of the new male. This animal died in 1979, the last gerenuk in europe until now.
I think, theer are plans to import soem gerenuks from the States, but this is very, very difficult. I'm not sure, if Bellevue has bred Gerenuks, but Naples does.
Frankfurt got in 1956 a pair of Gerenuks and bred them in 1957 for the first time in the world. They ha da very succesful breeding, after the death of the breeding male, the bred with a son, unfortunately, the breeding was completly inbred. The tried several times, to get new animals from africa, in 1973, they were successful and they could import a male. But it was too late, the females were to old and died shortly after the arrival of the new male. This animal died in 1979, the last gerenuk in europe until now.
I think, theer are plans to import soem gerenuks from the States, but this is very, very difficult. I'm not sure, if Bellevue has bred Gerenuks, but Naples does.