We have tons of wild coyote in the U.S. they are basically everywhere. For the past 3 nights I have heard some howling.
What animals would you exchange?
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We have tons of wild coyote in the U.S. they are basically everywhere. For the past 3 nights I have heard some howling.
I have to be cautious about running into Coyotes while a wait for my school bus at 6am. They're everywhere around here.
filipinos- Europe could get Grey Fox from the U.S. They're native to here and a trade could easily be made. How about Grey Fox for Italian Wolves. How about we trade some Grey or Harbor Seals for some Leopard Seals between the U.S. and Australia. How about the U.S. and Europe trade Grizzly Bears (or American Black Bears) for either Himalayan or Syrian Brown Bears. I would say North America is rather dry of European endemic species and mabye the same goes for Europe with North America. I would love to see some trading. As I mentioned earlier, American Bison for European ones.
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filipinos
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I´m not sure if Italian Wolf is a pure subspecie and if it is kept in zoos (know more about iberians). Iberian Wolf is now more common in zoos and some could be sent to the US, that might help with their preservation. Also, Europe has some North American Species, much better than the opposite situation.
My biggest things are the European Bison, Iberian Lynx (I wish), wolves, and Baikal Seals. Any fair trades there? Reds for Iberian? Harbor or Grey for Baikal? American Bison for European Bison? Bobcat or Canada Lynx (or both) for 1 Iberian Lynx (I wish)?
filipinos
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Wisents are very common in Europe, and some could be sent to North America, but we also have a very big number of Americans, so some pronghorns would make a nice deal...
Baikal Seals are only kept in one zoo, Leipzig, so it wouldn´t be a good change, and grey and harbour seals are also quite common, being native to the continent. But some more sea otters would also be nice...
Canadian Lynxes and Bobcat could also be more common, but it wouldn´t be fair to send some iberian lynxes, of wich there are none on-show.
Wisents are very common in Europe, and some could be sent to North America, but we also have a very big number of Americans, so some pronghorns would make a nice deal...
Baikal Seals are only kept in one zoo, Leipzig, so it wouldn´t be a good change, and grey and harbour seals are also quite common, being native to the continent. But some more sea otters would also be nice...
Canadian Lynxes and Bobcat could also be more common, but it wouldn´t be fair to send some iberian lynxes, of wich there are none on-show.
If Iberian Lynx were more populous
filipinos
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The population is increasing, so in 5-10 years some could be placed on-show, maybe old animals or non-reproductive ones.
Between the U.S. and Europe;
Sichuan Takin for Mishmi Takin
Coyotes for Iberian Wolves
Gray Foxes for Wildcats
Red Wolves for Brown Hyenas
Cougars for Asiatic Lions
Pronghorn for Wisent
Sichuan Takin for Mishmi Takin
Coyotes for Iberian Wolves
Gray Foxes for Wildcats
Red Wolves for Brown Hyenas
Cougars for Asiatic Lions
Pronghorn for Wisent
All of those seem like good trades but I think Europe is in need of some more Asiatic Lions as well. How about Europe trades Wisent for Asiatic Lions with India and then trades with us once the blood is less inbreed.
Cougars for pure Bengal Tigers between the U.S. and India.
Sea Otters from the U.S. for Platypus from Australia.
What's a good trade for European Beavers and Otters between the U.S. and Europe?
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I think Europe has a sufficient amount of lions, but perhaps one of our European friends can specify on this.
Sea Otters for Eurasian Otters.
I don't remeber who it was or what thread it was but I was talking to one of our European friends about the new Asiatic Lions on exhibit in Canada and he/she said that most of Europe's Asiatic Lions are very closely related and on the verge of inbreeding. I think it's time for them to trade with India.
King Penguins for Galapagos Penguins between the U.S. and Ecuador.
Coyotes for Ethiopian Wolves between the U.S. and Ethiopia.
Sadly Denver zoo no longer keeps Musk oxen. They were one of many animals that was donated to other zoos before TEP construction.
Noooooooooo!!!! Boo. Thank you for the correction. They still had them listed on their website, but not on the map. Should have researched more.
Pacarana, have you been to DZ, to see the renovated Pachyderm House?
zoogiraffe
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Unless new blood comes into Europe,for Asian Lions the species is pretty much screwed,if it doesn't happen the species could be gone form Europe to all intent and purpose within the next 10-15 years!!
Not exactly a surplus of sea otters over here. I know of at least one zoo with hopes of displaying them that has dropped that aspiration.
A shame about the Asiatic Lion situation in Europe. Hopefully some new lions can be brought in, as it would be very disappointing to see them die out in Europe.
Ituri- I just remembered that Sea Otters were only kept at one European institution (Lisbon Aquarium?), so I thought that it would be a somewhat fair exchange for Eurasian Otters. What is the situation with N.A. River Otters in Europe?
Ituri- I just remembered that Sea Otters were only kept at one European institution (Lisbon Aquarium?), so I thought that it would be a somewhat fair exchange for Eurasian Otters. What is the situation with N.A. River Otters in Europe?
The member I talked to said that the current stud book keeper was refusing to bring in new Asiatic Lions from India and send the old ones out. It doesn't look like new Lions without a new stud book keeper.
zoogiraffe
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Thats not strictly true,as I know the studbook holder personnaly,he has looked at bring in new blood,but it never happened for various reasons,he did for awhile have a policy of not sending animals to a collection that already held African Lions,which actually limited the number holders,as there were a couple of collections that were prepared,to hold none breeding animals with none breeding Africans,but thankfully it now looks as if a collection is prepared to build,a exhibit well away from the Africans so there is no chance of hybrids being born,he will now let collections keep both in the same collection.But the biggest problem at the moment is inbreeding,we are starting to see more and more animals being born with leg problems and cross eyed animals!!
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Yes, I was upset about it too. Those and the white-lipped deer were really a big lose to the collection.
I'm at Denver zoo quite often actually.
I always forget to bring a camera. There is a lot to update on at the zoo so next time I'm there I'll bring it. The renovated pachy house is much, much better than it was before. I will try to get pictures but for now I'll just write a brief description.
The house now contains 2 species of animals: 2.0 Nile Hippopotamus,Hippopotamus amphibius and 1.1 Black Rhinoceros, Rhinocerotidae Diceros bicornis. The younger male hippo is of breed able age and the son of Berty (age 54). The Rhinos, I believe are past breeding. Though I could be wrong. Female - 29y. Male - 18y.
The old Elephant enclosure now houses the rhinos. It was kept pretty much the same outside, but now with planted grass and trees. The moat was filled in in a slope form. Both rhinos can see each other and touch each other through the wire separation seen in the pictures. The pool was also filled in for more room and access gate area. The indoor phant cage is also mostly the same. The metal bars are smaller and lower. The rhinos also have access to the old tapir indoor exhibit. The hippos' enclosure are also the same. The inside was renovated so the rhino area is now used for Berty. Berty is too old to go outside and no longer wants to so the old rhino enclosure is not used. Same as the old tapir outdoor enclosure.
Hope that wasn't too confusing.
I would not be surprised if the recent batch of cubs born at Paignton were the last Asiatic Lions born in the UK full stop.