I wouldn't outright ban anything, but I feel like more restrictions should be placed on large pelagic species. Many cetaceans, whale sharks, white sharks and sailfish come to mind. While I believe that they can be housed in captivity, it takes a lot of effort to do so and many aquariums just haven't nailed it yet IMO.
What species would you ban from zoos?
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Thanks very much @dinosauria for your balanced statement. Although I'm a Ceteacean-Pro, this is something I can agree with (and it is much better then the simple "They can not be kept in captivity").
The solution here is "improve" not "ban"!
The solution here is "improve" not "ban"!
Onychorhynchus coronatus
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Totally agree, personally I can't stand to see white tigers or lions being held by zoos (even though I don't doubt that these get visitors through the gates).
Pootle
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Without doubt they make extra revenue for any zoo and that money feeds other conservation projects to a degree, so maybe it is quite useful to keep them breeding....
They don't have a much greater effect then normal tigers and lions. But unlike tigers or asiatic lions, they don't help the species, while being popular at the same time. And it is just simpley cruel. They are so increditble inbreed, with many gentic diseases.
Onychorhynchus coronatus
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Yes, possibly, I don't really like them or to see them at zoos though but each to their own and I can understand why zoos do keep them to attract the public.
As pretty much everyone else has said here, if a species can thrive in captivity, I see no problem with keeping them. I'm a bit aversive towards hybrids and designer morph animals, though.
Pootle
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I think they draw in extra revenue, but yes, you are correct with inbreeding depression, however, zoo directors need to spread the money around and they use the animals for this to a degree.
Rule one in business is make profit. Another rule is spend it wisely. I know these white and black critters bring in extra revenue.
Unlike another kind of black-and-white critter, which pretty much kneecaps good zoos if they aren't independently wealthy enough to shoulder the cost
Onychorhynchus coronatus
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Unlike another kind of black-and-white critter, which pretty much kneecaps good zoos if they aren't independently wealthy enough to shoulder the cost
Well said !
Pootle
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Unlike another kind of black-and-white critter, which pretty much kneecaps good zoos if they aren't independently wealthy enough to shoulder the cost
Yes, without doubt, but bamboo munchers are not included in this
and we both know what's happened to Edinburgh don't we.
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But it okay because in return they get to keep a black and white fluffball that will never belong to them.
Jokes aside, if I were a world leader I would make an embargo on giant pandas and golden snub-nosed monkeys along with animals being sold or rented by human rights violators.
But it okay because in return they get to keep a black and white fluffball that will never belong to them.
Jokes aside, if I were a world leader I would make an embargo on giant pandas and golden snub-nosed monkeys along with animals being sold or rented by human rights violators.
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Just an ordinary guy
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Big cat hybrids and Cetaceans
Pootle
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an excellent point, I totally agree and have said for years that too much money is spent on Giant Pandas to the determent of 1000's of other species who would benefit from a bit of help. I personally believe if these Pandas cannot survive in the wild environment with the amount of money they get from all angles, then they can go extinct. The way things are now (without going into politics and ownership of individual pandas), I promise you in 2071 there will be Giant Pandas around in zoos and the wild. I can't promise multiple (or worse) species of Rhinos or Orangutans then.
Imagine if zoos had to pay millions to Indonesia to have the right to keep orangs. That would be wild.
Onychorhynchus coronatus
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That is an interesting comment given its moral / ethical stance against human rights abuses and what you said in one of your replies to me in another thread regarding your cynicism towards the development of moral systems by humans with regards to conservation:
Is what you have said here about China not your own "moral convenience" and "moral crusade" ?
How is it that conservation of biodiversity is a "moral convenience" / "moral crusade" but having pro-human rights values and beliefs are somehow not ?
Wouldn't such a move towards conserving orangutangs in the wild just be a "moral crusade" by zoos or "morally convenient" ?
Would it not be useless to conserve orangutangs in the wild and prevent their extinction because everything has an end including our own lives?
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This one is too easy of answer that I doubt exhibits like these are even a thing anymore. And for good reasons.