Whats the largest group of breeding monkeys in a UK zoo/
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Is Trentham a zoo? Yes, in terms of the Zoo Licensing Act - but is that what our questioner has in mind?
Baboons at a safari park perhaps?
In strict terms of conventional zoos, it might be the hamadryas at Paignton, the Celebes macaques at Chester, the baboons at Port Lympne, the lion-tails at Howletts or the Japanese macaques at HWP. Has anyone been to all these collections recently and counted heads?
We could open a book
Alan
Baboons at a safari park perhaps?
In strict terms of conventional zoos, it might be the hamadryas at Paignton, the Celebes macaques at Chester, the baboons at Port Lympne, the lion-tails at Howletts or the Japanese macaques at HWP. Has anyone been to all these collections recently and counted heads?
We could open a book
Alan
A reasonable shout, but I don't think their number competes with some of those in gentle Lemur's post
Gigit
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I am not going to count Paignton's baboons, but the Annual Report says there were 50 on 31 December 2014.
Mmmm, in theory any collection of wild animals is, by definition, classed as a zoo - be that safari park, aquarium, or whatever, private collection etc..etc..
I dont know why you have bothered to reply to this post as you have offered nothing of value .
I would also suggest go and buy a dictionary and look at the definitions.
sooty mangabey
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Blimey! That's a disproportionately grumpy response to a fairly innocuous comment.... For what it's worth, I'd wholly agree with Nanook's post - just because it only has one species, Trentham Forest is not not a zoo.... Otherwise, where do we draw the line? Five species? Ten? Twenty? Wild animals, artificially maintained, on show to the public = a zoo.
no not grumpy at all i asked a simple question about monkeys in a UK zoo
its not trentham forest zoo or longleat zoo or any sealife centre zoo.
a zoo by definition is a collection of animals i would hardly call one species a collection
FunkyGibbon
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By this logic you also exclude Africa Alive, Howletts, YWP and even ZSL London....
I think this topic has been much discussed here, but for starters:
ZooChat - What is a zoo?
So, because Longleat's official title is "Longleat Safari Park" it is not a zoo in your opinion?
If a zoo needs to have the word "zoo" within the official name, then collections such as Africa Alive, Cotswold Wildlife Park and Port Lympne Wild Animal Park must not be zoos! Marwell Zoo, having been officially called "Marwell Wildlife" for a time, has resumed being a zoo.
Disregarding Trentham, I think Gigit's answer of Paignton Zoo's group of baboons is the most likely to be correct.
Interestingly enough, I just *did* look up the word "zoo" in the dictionary:
ZOO (plural: zoos)
1)
a : a garden or park where wild animals are kept for exhibition
b : a collection of living animals usually for public display
2)
: a place, situation, or group marked by crowding, confusion, or unrestrained behavior <the convention was a zoo>
The first definition sounds *awfully* similar to the one given by Nanook to which you took so much offence:
Nanook said:
really so i discount London Zoo etc i really wish i hadnt bothered asking the question in the first place .
So, because Longleat's official title is "Longleat Safari Park" it is not a zoo in your opinion?
If a zoo needs to have the word "zoo" within the official name, then collections such as Africa Alive, Cotswold Wildlife Park and Port Lympne Wild Animal Park must not be zoos! Marwell Zoo, having been officially called "Marwell Wildlife" for a time, has resumed being a zoo.
Disregarding Trentham, I think Gigit's answer of Paignton Zoo's group of baboons is the most likely to be correct.
The difference quite clearly for a zoo or zoological gardens is the ability to walk round it and view the collection note the word collection of animals .
a safari park by definition one would drive round it or part of it viewing animals without bars except the fact you are in a motor car.perhaps all of those that would describe longleat etc as a zoo would like to walk through the lion enclosure to prove a point its a zoo. i would be happy to watch while sitting safely in my car.
as far as cotswold africa alive etc this is nit picking they are quite clearly zoos as any sea life centre is quite clearly an aquaruim . this is no more than using words for marketing
of course we could go down the whipsnade route where walking and driving is allowed which puts the cat truly amongst the pigeons
thank you by the way re the baboons at Paignton ZOO.
I've not seen any definitions that specify that a zoo must be walk-through and every example that's been given holds a collection of animals. Maybe we can exclude Trentham if it must be a collection of species but every other example fits that description.
While I'm not a UK native, it's my understanding that most, if not all, safari parks include sections you walk around (Longleat included). The situation is very similar in the US. In fact, several zoos that go by the name "zoo" and not "safari park" have drive-through safari sections. Also, I don't know about you but I do not walk-through the Lion enclosures at a regular zoo
The only reason anyone picked out Cotswold, ect., is because you made a statement which sounded as though you were saying a zoo is not a zoo unless it has the word "zoo" in the name.
You are entitled to your own opinion of what constitutes a "zoo" just like the rest of us are (this is a topic which is evidently quite debatable, as evidenced by the existing of a thread on the very subject) but if you turn to nastiness and rude comments don't expect anything other than confrontation in return.
~Thylo
sooty mangabey
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You are entitled to your own opinion of what constitutes a "zoo" just like the rest of us are (this is a topic which is evidently quite debatable, as evidenced by the existing of a thread on the very subject) but if you turn to nastiness and rude comments don't expect anything other than confrontation in return.
~Thylo
Very wise words from Connecticut! I'm not sure I understand the rather bizarre over-reaction from the initial poster here, but it does, interestingly, show how easy it is to get tied but in knots when trying to establish something apparently quite simply, viz:
*does a zoo need to be wholly "walk-round" rather than, possibly, drive-through? (clearly not, or we would be excluding, for example, Disney's Animal Kingdom, or Whipsnade - or Longleat...)
*does a zoo need to have the word "zoo" in its name? (Clearly not, or we would exclude Costwolds Wildlife Park and Tierpark Berlin and many, many more)
*does a zoo need to focus on mammals, rather than fish? (Can't see it myself - a collection of fish [or reptiles, or birds, or invertebrates] is not substantively different to a collection of mammals - so Walsrode, the Shedd, the Hastings Sealife Centre: all zoos!)
*does size matter? Possibly it does, and thus Trentham cannot be called a zoo with its one species. But I don't buy this one: how many do we need, then? Two species, or ten, or twenty six? And what if Trentham only displayed a more zoo-ish animal - tigers, say - in a series of barred cages? Would that make it more zoo like?
Ok well lets turn the arguement back the other way then ?
Why call yourself a safari park then ? I assume that most if not all of us will agree that most of the visit will be undertaken in the car on safari going through the enclosures. yes and i accept at some point we will stop get out of our car and walk through their mini zoo part of the park.
i would like to think that all of us can agree and recognise that cotswold or africa alive or shepreth or any of the others that dont have zoo in their name are still zoos.
And i would like to think that all of us are in agreement at a safari park its easier to keep a large colony of monkeys in a drive through purely and simply for space purposes alone.
i would also like to think that most of us can answer for me a quite simple question about colonys of zoo kept monkeys without going off on tangents and pulling a question apart for what purpose?Frankly i find it nit picking and rather pointless.I would be more than happy to join in a debate as to what defines a zoo on another thread but not this one. I certainly havent been nasty or rude even and im certainly not bothered by brave keyboard warriors trying to hijack a thread to give clever dick replies.So if someone wants to start a debate or re start a debate to define a zoo wonderful lovely more than happy to join in and read others comments but not here not on this thread.The whole point of starting the thread was to find out from other zoo goers what they have seen on their visits thats all simple as that.
Why call yourself a safari park then ? I assume that most if not all of us will agree that most of the visit will be undertaken in the car on safari going through the enclosures. yes and i accept at some point we will stop get out of our car and walk through their mini zoo part of the park.
i would like to think that all of us can agree and recognise that cotswold or africa alive or shepreth or any of the others that dont have zoo in their name are still zoos.
And i would like to think that all of us are in agreement at a safari park its easier to keep a large colony of monkeys in a drive through purely and simply for space purposes alone.
i would also like to think that most of us can answer for me a quite simple question about colonys of zoo kept monkeys without going off on tangents and pulling a question apart for what purpose?Frankly i find it nit picking and rather pointless.I would be more than happy to join in a debate as to what defines a zoo on another thread but not this one. I certainly havent been nasty or rude even and im certainly not bothered by brave keyboard warriors trying to hijack a thread to give clever dick replies.So if someone wants to start a debate or re start a debate to define a zoo wonderful lovely more than happy to join in and read others comments but not here not on this thread.The whole point of starting the thread was to find out from other zoo goers what they have seen on their visits thats all simple as that.
okay well lets try this then.
taking our zoo chatters hat off and we are just normal fee paying members of the public no special interest in zoos etc apart from a day out .
if say sealife centre Hastings changed its name to Hastings Zoo
or crocs of the world became Oxford zoo or birdland became Surrey zoo do you think people on arrival at any of these new zoos would feel short changed or mislead in any way.Of course they would
taking our zoo chatters hat off and we are just normal fee paying members of the public no special interest in zoos etc apart from a day out .
if say sealife centre Hastings changed its name to Hastings Zoo
or crocs of the world became Oxford zoo or birdland became Surrey zoo do you think people on arrival at any of these new zoos would feel short changed or mislead in any way.Of course they would