What's the thrill of hunting?

Haha I just didn't want to start a flame war and get banned. BTW I have a Masters Degree in Secondary Ed, I am a redneck but I can read haha.

How does Sambar taste compare to Elk or White tail venison?

It is probably similar, but I have never had Elk or Whitetail. When I worked in Montana I bought a buck tag for a White Tail or Mule Deer, but kept passing up for the chance of a bigger one so did not shoot anything.

It might just be the people I hang out with, but we refer to ourselves as red necks and the antis as green necks.
 
Folks, this thread is devolving into the other thread with 'chip' and 'kiwipo' et al. This thread is about the mindset of hunters: not the pros and cons of hunting. Let's keep the two threads separate if possible please. :)

true, but in the end it comes down to what an individual likes to do.

I can't stand cricket, am not interested in stamp collecting, find gardening boring, and would not waste my time owning a dog to take to a dog show.

But there are plenty of people who love the above to the point of infatuation.

At the end of the day, if you are doing something you enjoy, then good for you. And if anyone else doesn't like it, tell them not to do it and they won't have to worry.

I may have come across as anti hunting on here, but I think we all have the right to do what we want within limits, and too those who love hunting paid for my education and a lot of perks when I was a young guy.
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BTW I want to visit New Zealand one day. It looks like a beautiful place.

It is. Make sure you include a free range Tahr and Chamois hunt while you are there. They are both considered pests there and most public land is available for hunting. Unlike Australia it is also easy to bring a gun with you into the country.
 
My hunting rifle is a semi auto 30-06 carbine, I might have trouble bringing it. But I have others its just "my" gun.

Edit - Looking at your firearm laws my rifle should be ok but my shotgun (Mossberg 590 Persuader) is semi automatic and has a pistol grip so its probably not legal for import.
 
I know the stereotypes so save them but if you ever get a chance to hunt Alabama you would enjoy it. During season (Oct 1st - Jan 31st) you can take two white tail a day but you can only take 3 bucks a season now. We used to (about 5 years ago) had an entire month of "hunter's choice" which meant for the month you could take 3 deer a day and the only restriction was spotted fawn of course.
 
My hunting rifle is a semi auto 30-06 carbine, I might have trouble bringing it. But I have others its just "my" gun.

I believe you would be able to take it hunting in NZ, as they don't have ridiculous laws like Australia. Semi-autos are fine there unless they have a pistol grip. Tahr in particular usually require long distance shots and a speciality long distance rife would be better.

I have heard the hardest country for a foreigner to take a gun into for hunting is the US.

I am pretty sure in Montana we were only allowed one buck and one doe a season. Alabama must have a high deer population. I have herd some states are having problems with to many deer as less people are hunting than used to.
Here we have a 6 month season for Red and Fallow deer and Sambar all year round. Hog deer are only in a limited area and have a one month season. Chital and Rusa are only in certain areas, and also have no season.
 
If you get your gun from the Mexican Cartels the Feds may even buy it for you. Nah our government is sometimes temperamental about our guns but they don't do anything directly. The NRA is probably the most powerful force in America as far as non money related political influence.
 
It is. Make sure you include a free range Tahr and Chamois hunt while you are there. They are both considered pests there and most public land is available for hunting. Unlike Australia it is also easy to bring a gun with you into the country.

If he wants to hunt Tahr and Cahmois he had better be fit, that is some steep country.

He won't have any problem importing a firearm into NZ, but best to go online and get the appropriate form etc before coming over.
If anyone is interested here is the form.

http://www.police.govt.nz/service/firearms/firearms_visitors_licence_and_permit_to_import.pdf

Simple procedure on entering NZ, take the form to the Airport police, they will approve it and give you your firearm.

Getting it in and out of your own country of course will require whatever your country wants.

All hunting guides can provide guns for their clients, but most visiting hunters bring their own guns over.
 
I was being sarcastic about animals being lower life-forms than humans.

I was being serious about hunting humans, because adrenaline junkies are always after the next hit. I can see a conversation at a hunting lodge after a a successful lion hunt drifting towards an operator mentioning that there is an exciting hunt in Afghanistan if anyone is interested in something even more thrilling.

To the hunters out there, surely you graduated from shooting rabbits to bigger game, and surely you dream of hunting even bigger game, like an elephant or brown bear?

Only a nutter would think of hunting humans as game, but unfortunately there are a few nutters about.

As I said before, hunters shoot animals because they enjoy the hunt, and in quite a few cases the thrill of the hunt wears off and they often become animal protectors.

And animal protectors who used to be hunters usually make the best game wardens and rangers.

When I was quite young I shot animals because I enjoyed the thrill and excitement of doing so, plus peer pressure (although it wasn't pressure as such) had a part in it.

In later years I still shot animals, but didn't get any enjoyment out of it, at that time it was a job and it was about as fulfilling as a farmer who puts sick sheep down.

Shooting of our fellow humans for most of us is automatically repellent, and few would to it for sport.

I have shot two humans in the past, they didn't die, luckily for them because I sure as hell was trying to kill them.
I didn't get any enjoyment or thrill out of it, but nor do I have any regrets other than the fact I didn't use a more powerful weapon.

The point though is there are many motives for hunting and killing, sone bonafide and understandable, some not so much.
 
Being a game warden doesn't mean you are anti hunting though. I believe in protecting wildlife but I hunt. I have a friend who is a game warden he hunts. Game Wardens just enforce the laws, their salaries don't get paid without hunting and fishing.

Where I live in North Alabama, I am 10 miles from one of the best Bass Lakes in the world (Lake Guntersville). Hunting and Fishing are integral parts of our economy.
 
We were discussing the conservation benefits of hunting last weekend. In the US native animals such as deer are valued by land owners as an asset due to their hunting value. Here native animals such as Kangaroos are seen as a pest because they compete with stock, eat crops and have no value. On bloke made the point if we had recreation Kangaroo tags instead of just the pro ones for meat shooters land owners could make money from Roos so would protect them instead of shooting them as pests.
For a trespass fee land owners would be able to allow recreational shooters in to fill their tags the meat and skins. Then there is the overseas market where people would pay for accommodation and a guide to shoot one Roo. If this were legal it would probably be more profitable having Roos over livestock, and no high fences needed as the Roos will go to where there is feed and habitat.
 
Being a game warden doesn't mean you are anti hunting though. I believe in protecting wildlife but I hunt. I have a friend who is a game warden he hunts. Game Wardens just enforce the laws, their salaries don't get paid without hunting and fishing.

Where I live in North Alabama, I am 10 miles from one of the best Bass Lakes in the world (Lake Guntersville). Hunting and Fishing are integral parts of our economy.

I never said being a game warden/ranger means you are anti hunting.
Most African game rangers I knew were hunters too, shooting game was one of the necessities of the job.

Up until the early 90s one of the tests for SA National Parks rangers wanting to work in big five reserves was to chase two or three elephant in their direction with a helicopter, and the applicant had to shoot them before they got dangerously close.
One of those types of tests where failure could be catastronic.

These days they only have to shoot at a target pulled by a string.
 
Not sure about the thrill of hunting, but I would not like to have lambing ewes anywhere near this place.
 
Haha that is hilarious Kiwipo, you would be great around a hunting camp fire ring.

One of the most valuable assets a safari guide can have is the ability to tell great camp fore stories.

When you have been driving around all day on a cold windy day, and haven't been able to find a dammed thing, much less the big five the paying clients are expected to see every day as if they are lined up in cages like the zoo back home, being able to entertain them with tales of animals exploits is an enviable skill.
 
kiwipo, do tell that story about shooting two people!

Not really a story that deserves telling, suffice to say official approval of reaction to crimes in progress was vastly different in the South Africa of the 80s than it is today.
As for the incident, a combination of self preservation, indignation, anger, and terror backed up by a vastly experienced ex soldier/policeman and a trained armed security guard led to the failure of an attempt of a violent semi organised gang of farm invaders to acquire what did not belong to them.

However I can say this with complete confidence and honesty

I have shot at many species of animals from impala to elephants, at times I have felt fear, over cautious, endangered and sometimes at risk of life.

But none of that compares with the absolute terror I felt when what I was shooting at shot back.

Which is an experience few hunters get to have.
 
The kangaroo thing down in Oz could be compared to White-Tailed Deer on the eastern U.S. When farms closed down, the deer made a huge rebound, and now they're all over. They can be a pest, and they carry ticks, and with cougars and wolves gone, and coyotes and black bears mostly hunting smaller game and vegetation, hunting is necessary to keep deer numbers down, even though I don't hunt.
 
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