ZSL Whipsnade Zoo Whipsnade 03/08/10

Devi

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Not a full description because I didn't take notes (bad zoo nerd). But I'll do the best I can. Many photos were taken which will be uploaded soon.
Started with lemur walk through, appeared to be staffed by volunteers, I was a little worried about how well these would be trained. Visitors do try to touch lemurs and need to be told to stop, would volunteers do this?
The chimp island was lovely, lots of natural behaviour, one was using a leaf as a vessel to drink moat water which reminded me of the old chimp tea parties at twycross.
Moved to the discovery centre, which was amazing, some lovely well thought out mixed exhibits, lizards with frogs with fish, very nice.
I'm pretty sure the roti island snake necked turtles had guppys for lunch, but another zoo visitor seemed to think they were always mixed?
Crocodiles with butterflies was amazing, something I've never thought of, but I'd assume crocs don't eat anything so small, and it was a lovely exhibit.
The sealion show made a good attempt at education, but I thought 4 sealions were too much for a single trainer, she seemed to struggle to control all four, she did well, but I have never seen a single trainer show that used more than two animal. I think an extra trainer would help, but I understand the two younger ladies are recent additions so maybe a second trainer will come later.
The childrens farm was lacking in signage and could do with some more activities. While walking round I was confronted multiple times by angry turkeys, they were further enraged by screaming children, I really think they need an enclosure, for the protection of visitors and themselves.
This is when I first encountered the free ranging animals, Mara who were very tame. Other free rangers were wallaby, chinese water deer, peafowl, and muntjac. During the day I spotted all of them, including a brand new baby mara who was still wet, and just learning to walk, and a number of other baby mara and wallaby. I also spotted the chinese deer buck who had rather scary fangs, very impressive.
I headed toward "wild wild whipsnade", a section based on animals that once inhabited Britain. The lynx I didn't see, not sure where they were as I saw no inside area? The wild boar were asleep, with 4 new piglets and a small cluster of older ones, maybe 3? Lovely stripes and seemed very comfortable with the visitors.
The brown bears I only saw one, he seemed happy enough eating a trail of carrots, very enchanting.
The wolverine, which was the main reason I went to whipsnade in the first place was hiding somewhere. I looked for ages and was upset I couldn't see it, I respect animals ability to hide, but doesn't help with the disappointment!
Reindeer were next, nice enclosure, a bit small for a nomadic species and I was a little confused considering their was plenty of space for expansion. The male had the largest antlers I have ever seen, he seemed to be genuinely struggling to lift the weight. No idea why?
White Rhino next and rather frustrating, they were by the house, so I walked round to there only to see them at the far end where we started! There was little viewing opportunity along the fence so I hadn't spotted them moving!
The African area was next, lions looked happy, but obviously asleep! I was a little confused by the steep hill and thus not being able to see part of the enclosure, I walked all over but couldn't work out how to see the back part?
The meerkat area was lovely, I was pleased to see height used well, so many places have the usual small mound but here was a lovely mock termite mound of maybe 7ft? The animals used the full height well and were frequently above my head!
Giraffe seemed nice but still no male for the ladies.
Wolves were amazing, one of them dug a hole and seemed to find a sausage, I was rather intrigued, is burying food usual? Or is food buried for enrichment? And why are they fed sausage? Either way I must have sat there for ages.
Next moose, they looked quite lovely sitting under a tree, I should mention at this point that I have never seen a zoo pay so much attention to planting, I'm no gardener, but every animal appeared to have habitat specific vegetation, it was very impressive.
I headed to hippo then, which was rather lovely, the pygmy male outside was grazing and looking lovely, the common hippos inside looked cramped, I'd like to see them in a bigger pool, but they had access to outside, it was a bit confusing so I have no idea where there outside area was, but I hope it has a larger pool.
Cheetah rock was well built and planted and loads of activities for the kids, which is useful with animals who don't move much!
Passage through asia was annoying, because it was car only, I understand why, but for those without a car it was pointless, you could not see the animals on foot at all.
Sloth bears were sleeping in balls, so other than them looking like bean bags I have no contribution. Cute bean bags though.
Przewalskis horse baby was out, the keeper says 5 weeks now, lovely!
To the Asian Rhino, which was labelled under many names, one horned rhino, indian rhino, asian rhino, although all names are known I think it's confusing for visitors to see all the names. I saw one in the pond and another out, both were lovely and as I've never seen this subspecies before I was very excited. I didn't realise how aquatic they were, the indoor area was 75% water.
Elephants next and I was rather captivated by baby george! He looks amazing but was flanked by two females at all times and it was near impossible to get a photo. The male was kept seperate, I assume because the oldest male youngster (hugh I think) is now sub adult.
Zebras were entertaining, a couple were arguing over whether they were black with white stripes or white with black stripes, after finally cornering a keeper they were told they were grey with white and black stripes, which led to yet more argument! One female was stabled I have no idea why as keeper was cornered by the arguing couple, could it be babies?
Ostrich had babies, four chicks who were very small, I assume only a week or two, but my chick knowledge is with chickens and game so I'm not 100%.
Tigers were asleep, lovely looking enclosure, loads of trees, a large lake, possible the best I've seen, yet everything was visible. Stunning.
Finally the train ride, I was a little annoyed that they charge £4 a person! I've never seen a zoo train that isn't either free or a £1 at most. It was a good ride though, we saw the elephant walk, where the females and the baby were walked in the open trunk to tail. I cringed at the obvious danger of this, how much danger could a full grown elephant do if a child ran in its path?, but it was amazing to see. We also spotted plenty of deer, had a proper introduction to the indian rhino and the african antelope.
Ask me questions if you feel I missed anything, I saw everything but skipped over some.
 
I thought I put this is Whipsnade? Can anyone advise how to move?
 
Ask a moderator to sort it for you.

Very lovely, detailed report, I cant really answer your questions as I've only been twice but yes it is a lovely collection. Id agree with your frustration with the lions, the steep hill is far too near the viewing window, it needs to be placed at the back of the enclosure where they can still have an area to hide away. The back of exhibit can be viewed from near the oryx (or used to be) but its so far away you don't get a very good view. Its a shame they messed the exhibit up this way.

When I went on my trips I never saw the pygmy hippos but always saw the common hippos outside right down the bottom where theres a small pool, funnily enough which they weren't using on my last visit, it seems they prefer standing in the sun. I'm not sure what the current situation is with the hippos.

From memory I believe the train used to be cheaper than that but I cant be certain.
 
This is okay where it is.

If you saw wolves digging up food, it means they are fed more than they want so they bury(cache) some of it for later. A common situation in a wildife park where they get fed more than they really need.

You can't really miss the common Hippo outside pools- they are down the dead-end road that runs below the house. There are two pools with sloping grass paddocks. They aren't huge but the water areas and willow trees make these probably the most attractive Hippo enclosures in the UK.

There are still problems(correct me if I'm wrong anybody?) with the Asian rhinos refusing to enter the indoor bathing pools(they don't like the gradient..)
 
They said on the train ride that the male was inside bathing, I couldn't see from the train though so no idea how they knew?
 
They said on the train ride that the male was inside bathing, I couldn't see from the train though so no idea how they knew?

Maybe they let him in there at a regular time each day. I'm glad they do that as I know that he will use the pools but seems to live mostly in the old quarters where there isn't indoor bathing. Its the two adult (Nepal) females that won't(or didn't) enter the indoor water- I don't know about the young female 'Asha' but if her mother won't, then its quite likely she doesn't either(but don't quote me on that!).
 
'The African area was next, lions looked happy, but obviously asleep! I was a little confused by the steep hill and thus not being able to see part of the enclosure, I walked all over but couldn't work out how to see the back part?'

I love the view from the other side of the lions (from the road just before the cheetahs) when the lions are on the bank it does look like they are in the same enclosure!! (not the best photo)
 
Not a full description because I didn't take notes (bad zoo nerd). But I'll do the best I can. Many photos were taken which will be uploaded soon.
Started with lemur walk through, appeared to be staffed by volunteers, I was a little worried about how well these would be trained. Visitors do try to touch lemurs and need to be told to stop, would volunteers do this?
The chimp island was lovely, lots of natural behaviour, one was using a leaf as a vessel to drink moat water which reminded me of the old chimp tea parties at twycross.
Moved to the discovery centre, which was amazing, some lovely well thought out mixed exhibits, lizards with frogs with fish, very nice.
I'm pretty sure the roti island snake necked turtles had guppys for lunch, but another zoo visitor seemed to think they were always mixed?
Crocodiles with butterflies was amazing, something I've never thought of, but I'd assume crocs don't eat anything so small, and it was a lovely exhibit.
The sealion show made a good attempt at education, but I thought 4 sealions were too much for a single trainer, she seemed to struggle to control all four, she did well, but I have never seen a single trainer show that used more than two animal. I think an extra trainer would help, but I understand the two younger ladies are recent additions so maybe a second trainer will come later.
The childrens farm was lacking in signage and could do with some more activities. While walking round I was confronted multiple times by angry turkeys, they were further enraged by screaming children, I really think they need an enclosure, for the protection of visitors and themselves.
This is when I first encountered the free ranging animals, Mara who were very tame. Other free rangers were wallaby, chinese water deer, peafowl, and muntjac. During the day I spotted all of them, including a brand new baby mara who was still wet, and just learning to walk, and a number of other baby mara and wallaby. I also spotted the chinese deer buck who had rather scary fangs, very impressive.
I headed toward "wild wild whipsnade", a section based on animals that once inhabited Britain. The lynx I didn't see, not sure where they were as I saw no inside area? The wild boar were asleep, with 4 new piglets and a small cluster of older ones, maybe 3? Lovely stripes and seemed very comfortable with the visitors.
The brown bears I only saw one, he seemed happy enough eating a trail of carrots, very enchanting.
The wolverine, which was the main reason I went to whipsnade in the first place was hiding somewhere. I looked for ages and was upset I couldn't see it, I respect animals ability to hide, but doesn't help with the disappointment!
Reindeer were next, nice enclosure, a bit small for a nomadic species and I was a little confused considering their was plenty of space for expansion. The male had the largest antlers I have ever seen, he seemed to be genuinely struggling to lift the weight. No idea why?
White Rhino next and rather frustrating, they were by the house, so I walked round to there only to see them at the far end where we started! There was little viewing opportunity along the fence so I hadn't spotted them moving!
The African area was next, lions looked happy, but obviously asleep! I was a little confused by the steep hill and thus not being able to see part of the enclosure, I walked all over but couldn't work out how to see the back part?
The meerkat area was lovely, I was pleased to see height used well, so many places have the usual small mound but here was a lovely mock termite mound of maybe 7ft? The animals used the full height well and were frequently above my head!
Giraffe seemed nice but still no male for the ladies.
Wolves were amazing, one of them dug a hole and seemed to find a sausage, I was rather intrigued, is burying food usual? Or is food buried for enrichment? And why are they fed sausage? Either way I must have sat there for ages.
Next moose, they looked quite lovely sitting under a tree, I should mention at this point that I have never seen a zoo pay so much attention to planting, I'm no gardener, but every animal appeared to have habitat specific vegetation, it was very impressive.
I headed to hippo then, which was rather lovely, the pygmy male outside was grazing and looking lovely, the common hippos inside looked cramped, I'd like to see them in a bigger pool, but they had access to outside, it was a bit confusing so I have no idea where there outside area was, but I hope it has a larger pool.
Cheetah rock was well built and planted and loads of activities for the kids, which is useful with animals who don't move much!
Passage through asia was annoying, because it was car only, I understand why, but for those without a car it was pointless, you could not see the animals on foot at all.
Sloth bears were sleeping in balls, so other than them looking like bean bags I have no contribution. Cute bean bags though.
Przewalskis horse baby was out, the keeper says 5 weeks now, lovely!
To the Asian Rhino, which was labelled under many names, one horned rhino, indian rhino, asian rhino, although all names are known I think it's confusing for visitors to see all the names. I saw one in the pond and another out, both were lovely and as I've never seen this subspecies before I was very excited. I didn't realise how aquatic they were, the indoor area was 75% water.
Elephants next and I was rather captivated by baby george! He looks amazing but was flanked by two females at all times and it was near impossible to get a photo. The male was kept seperate, I assume because the oldest male youngster (hugh I think) is now sub adult.
Zebras were entertaining, a couple were arguing over whether they were black with white stripes or white with black stripes, after finally cornering a keeper they were told they were grey with white and black stripes, which led to yet more argument! One female was stabled I have no idea why as keeper was cornered by the arguing couple, could it be babies?
Ostrich had babies, four chicks who were very small, I assume only a week or two, but my chick knowledge is with chickens and game so I'm not 100%.
Tigers were asleep, lovely looking enclosure, loads of trees, a large lake, possible the best I've seen, yet everything was visible. Stunning.
Finally the train ride, I was a little annoyed that they charge £4 a person! I've never seen a zoo train that isn't either free or a £1 at most. It was a good ride though, we saw the elephant walk, where the females and the baby were walked in the open trunk to tail. I cringed at the obvious danger of this, how much danger could a full grown elephant do if a child ran in its path?, but it was amazing to see. We also spotted plenty of deer, had a proper introduction to the indian rhino and the african antelope.
Ask me questions if you feel I missed anything, I saw everything but skipped over some.

Just a couple of quick points;

Volunteers at Whipsnade have an extensive training program and would not be in lemur walk through unless they were competent.

Although you found all the names listed for the Indian Rhino confusing, my personal view is that they should be included. Most zoo vistors knowledge is gained from media coverage which isnt in depth or zoo signage (when and if they care to read it). Common names are different in different countries so wildlife documentries produced in the USA etc may use different names, hence the Linnaean taxonomy. Having all the names listed means the average zoo visitor becomes aware that an indian rhino and the asiatic one horned aren't different rhinos, but the same under different names.

You said that the passage through Asia was useless without a car, however you took the train journey which covers exactly the same paddocks. The size of the paddocks would require a lot of expense in providing footpaths , I dont think the general public would be prepared to walk the huge distances required to see animals that could be dots in the distance. I understand your point but think its a logistical no goer to improve on it. Other zoos may have cheaper trains but noe of them are up to the standard of Whipsnade (I haven't been to Longleat to compare it). From memory the track takes in a nearly 2 mile circuit, they use genuine narrow guage trains which attract enthusiasts in their own right and covers a lot of the animals. I was at Woburn last weekend, few animals to see from the train (and in general compared to Whipsnade), short track on toy style guage. If you add the train price to Whipsnade entrance price it was comparable to Woburn, nothing is free, just marketed that way by increasing gate price.
 
Just a couple of quick points;

Volunteers at Whipsnade have an extensive training program and would not be in lemur walk through unless they were competent.

Nice to know.

Although you found all the names listed for the Indian Rhino confusing, my personal view is that they should be included. Most zoo vistors knowledge is gained from media coverage which isnt in depth or zoo signage (when and if they care to read it). Common names are different in different countries so wildlife documentries produced in the USA etc may use different names, hence the Linnaean taxonomy. Having all the names listed means the average zoo visitor becomes aware that an indian rhino and the asiatic one horned aren't different rhinos, but the same under different names.

I get that, and it would make total sense if it was all on one sign, but different signs stated different names, which would make it seem that a number of rhino types are there, not just one.

You said that the passage through Asia was useless without a car, however you took the train journey which covers exactly the same paddocks. The size of the paddocks would require a lot of expense in providing footpaths , I dont think the general public would be prepared to walk the huge distances required to see animals that could be dots in the distance. I understand your point but think its a logistical no goer to improve on it. Other zoos may have cheaper trains but noe of them are up to the standard of Whipsnade (I haven't been to Longleat to compare it). From memory the track takes in a nearly 2 mile circuit, they use genuine narrow guage trains which attract enthusiasts in their own right and covers a lot of the animals. I was at Woburn last weekend, few animals to see from the train (and in general compared to Whipsnade), short track on toy style guage. If you add the train price to Whipsnade entrance price it was comparable to Woburn, nothing is free, just marketed that way by increasing gate price.

I got the train because I had no choice, it was either get the train or miss the animals. If people want to get the train then cool, but basically they are charging £20 to see half the animals, then once inside asking another £4 to see the hoofstock, I'm not aware of any other zoo who plays this trick and I think its rather naughty. Woburn is £18.50, so not comparable at all.
 
All photos now up, including a nice one of the newborn mara, so lovely!!
 
Maybe they let him in there at a regular time each day. . . . . I don't know about the young female 'Asha' but if her mother won't, then its quite likely she doesn't either(but don't quote me on that!).

I was at Whipsnade today and I saw Asha enter the pool briefly; she was about half submerged for a moment.
I can add a couple of details to Devi's useful report: there are 2 well-grown Manchurian crane chicks in the enclosure next to the sloth bears, and an onager foal in the paddock across the road (the other mare looks very big too).
I did see the wolverines. I saw the male briefly before the bear feed at 11, but he then went to sleep under a tree near the back of the enclosure, looking like a small, fluffy hearthrug. I could not spot the female. But they both appeared like magic for the talk at noon because the presenter fed them 2 mice each. What was even better was that they spent at least 40 minutes play-fighting maybe they liked the cold wet weather (I retreated when the rain got too heavy) - but they seem very happy together and I like the exhibit which gives them lots of space. Photos will follow eventually :)

Alan
 
I was at Whipsnade today and I saw Asha enter the pool briefly; she was about half submerged for a moment.

pertinax should have a prize for you, if you got a pic ;)
 
Is Asha still living with her Mum or are Asha and Behan seperated now? Are Behan and Beluki pregrant?

@Alan: did you take a photo of Asha in the pool?
 
I was at Whipsnade today and I saw Asha enter the pool briefly; she was about half submerged for a moment.

That's good news.. you may remember when the two female rhinos came from Nepal they were kept on the Cotton Terraces at ZSL for a few months before going to Whipsnade. They would freely enter the moat to bathe despite steep access steps, but then they were small/young and agile- probably only 'Asha's age or younger even.

I think the problem has been these two females have since had about ten years at Whipsnade to grow to maturity without using an indoor bathing pool, so they are just not used to the whole scenario and the access.

It would be interesting to know if the male Hugo- who is a willing user of the bath apparently- had indoor bathing at his last home- Warsaw(?).
 
Just a thought about the Asian hoofstock; I visited Whipsnade on foot on a day when the train wasn't running and found this very frustrating. I think a wooden viewing platform with telescopes would be a very good idea and whilst not perfect would be an improvement on the current situation.
 
Just a thought about the Asian hoofstock; I visited Whipsnade on foot on a day when the train wasn't running and found this very frustrating. I think a wooden viewing platform with telescopes would be a very good idea and whilst not perfect would be an improvement on the current situation.

I dont think that would be too hard to achieve either, the picnic area in the middle is the highest point and the ugliest part of the zoo. Probably not a huge logistical nightmare to connect via a raised walkway. Alternative would be to run the busses through the drive through when the train is out of action.
 
Is Asha still living with her Mum or are Asha and Behan seperated now? Are Behan and Beluki pregrant?

She should be seperated by now because as mentioend earlier in the thread, both female's are pregnant again
 
I got the train because I had no choice, it was either get the train or miss the animals. If people want to get the train then cool, but basically they are charging £20 to see half the animals, then once inside asking another £4 to see the hoofstock, I'm not aware of any other zoo who plays this trick and I think its rather naughty. Woburn is £18.50, so not comparable at all.[/QUOTE]

Bronx Zoo plays this trick with extra payment needed to go on the monorail, I willingly paid it, and would do the same at Whipsnade, each to their own I guess
 
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