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White Tigers
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That argument left the thread about a page ago. Now we're playing shunt the goal post.
Wisp O' Mist
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Why am I being picked on? All I did was point out that zoos that people would typically consider "respectable" were the ones responsible for bringing the white tiger to the west in the first place.
Because you keep saying things that are wrong and defending them instead of listening and apologizing.
You then proceeded to keep bringing other topics into play and make both inaccurate and confusing statements - nobody's been mean in their responses.
Wisp O' Mist
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It is 100% proven that Smithsonian's National Zoo imported the first white tiger to the US in 1960 though. It's also well known that Cincinnati Zoo acquired several of her cubs and used them as the foundation for a particularly prolific white tiger breeding program. That's all I was ever trying to get across to people, you can't blame entirely private individuals for white tigers when it was zoos who were the ones who opened that particular Pandora's Box in the first place.
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Wisp O' Mist
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Correction: You keep saying that everything I say is wrong. This isn't the first time that you've started an argument with me over something that I wrote. Do you have some sort of personal problem with me or something?
Wisp O' Mist
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I was trying to explain my line of thinking.
And I'd certainly make the argument that hounding me and accusing me of making assumptions that I never did is pretty mean.
And you're still doing it. No one argued about the origins, and no one has said you were 100% wrong. Zoos did not know it was a Pandora's Box.
I have a problem with people who don't take the time to do proper research, to understand what they're talking about, and who can't admit when they don't know something / are wrong.
"That you never did"? So you didn't continue to argue with me over me saying "the AZA didn't exist in the 1960s"? You didn't assume I meant any regulating organization, when I literally said AZA every time?
You're always free to not respond if you're annoyed.
Wisp O' Mist
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What exactly is it that I'm doing? I'm genuinely lost here.
No one appeared aware of the origins of white tigers in the US until I pointed out the history of them. Certainly the user that I initially replied to didn't seem aware that white tigers weren't "just" the result of private individuals were merrily inbreeding away.
And again, I will make the argument that when you're losing the majority of cubs being born to birth defects, with the surviving animals also being afflicted with defects - Then maybe commonsense dictates that breeding together close relatives to increase the chances of getting animals of certain pretty color is a bad idea.
Hence reputable zoos went out of them...
Wisp O' Mist
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My early history of white tigers in the US is completely accurate, I cross referenced several different sites to ensure that I had all of the dates and names right.
And furthermore, I do understand what I'm talking about. Zoos are responsible for introducing white tigers into the western world. Zoos choose to continue breeding white tigers despite problems with the resulting cubs being noted early on. What is there to not understand?
Lol, I admitted to you that I wasn't entirely certainly whether the "70 white tigers were born at Cincinnati Zoo" referred to living, stillborn, defective, etc tigers - Did I not?
Wisp O' Mist
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Yes, I never stated that they didn't. Merely pointed out that they sure took their sweet time with it.
You're continuing to argue your wrong point.
This is a zoo forum. We're all aware of the history of white tigers. How did @GaryA "not seem aware" when they haven't replied to this thread since their first post about white tigers, which was correct? Their statement that "You would not have so many cross bred mutant cross eyed white tigers (to be a wee bit extreme as an example) which have no conservation value and are kept merely as status symbols by idiots, if not for private holders in the US" is 100% true.
Do you have sources to back up that the majority of cubs were being lost due to birth defects?
Wisp O' Mist
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No? I genuinely thought that you were including the AZA's predecessor organization in those statements.
You are so far gone that I don't even know what to say at this point. No one said the history was wrong, it's your assumptions you've been making from that history.
You really think saying stuff like "Nope! How about you?" is what we mean? Are you going to say "Sorry you feel that way" next?
Wisp O' Mist
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Which is?
Of course it's true, I was just pointing out that it wasn't the whole story. Private individuals weren't the ones who brought white tigers to the US, nor were they the ones who bred the first litters after all.
See my big post about the first five white tiger litters in the US. Lots of deaths and birth defects to be found there. Would you like me to document every white tiger litter at this point? Because it's just more of the same.
"No?" You literally did! I never mentioned the predecessor organizations, I said AZA. You made assumptions that I meant something different than what I said.