White Tigers

TinoPup said:
No one said the history was wrong, it's your assumptions you've been making from that history.
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I felt that the history was being omitted, my initial posts were made to correct that. And what assumptions? That breeding a female tiger who was the product of a father-daughter, to a male tiger who was both her half-brother and her uncle at the same time was a bad idea? And that breeding the former to one of son's sired by the latter was an even worse idea?

TinoPup said:
You really think saying stuff like "Nope! How about you?" is what we mean?
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It's an admission of misunderstanding, is it not? Do you expect me to go on my knees and beg for forgiveness or something?

TinoPup said:
Are you going to say "Sorry you feel that way" next?
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Is that not a good way to end an argument where both parties simply can not see eye to eye?
 
TinoPup said:
"No?" You literally did! I never mentioned the predecessor organizations, I said AZA. You made assumptions that I meant something different than what I said.
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And the AZA's founding date is given as October 1924 because it developed from a proceeding organization which much the same aim that was founded on that date.
 
Wisp O' Mist said:
And they continued to breed white tigers after 1978 as well.
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1978 was only some 20 years after the first white tiger litter of the original white tiger and one of his offspring in India - the degree of inbreeding was not as high yet. Many zoos went out of white tigers on inbreeding grounds long before the AZA ban in 2011 - including the original importer of Smithsonian National.
 
Great Argus said:
1978 was only some 20 years after the first white tiger litter of the original white tiger and one of his offspring in India - the degree of inbreeding was not as high yet. Many zoos went out of white tigers on inbreeding grounds long before the AZA ban in 2011 - including the original importer of Smithsonian National.
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Cincinnati Zoos founding pair of white tigers were full-siblings. Their mother was the product of a father-daughter pairing, their father was their mother's half-brother... and uncle, at the same time.

If that's not considered high inbreeding, I don't know what is.
 
Wisp O' Mist said:
Cincinnati Zoos founding pair of white tigers were full-siblings. Their mother was the product of a father-daughter pairing, their father was their mother's half-brother... and uncle, at the same time.

If that's not considered high inbreeding, I don't know what is.
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I'm aware, yes. What I was trying to say was the genetic issues would not yet have been as pronounced as they are now or a decade ago.
 
Great Argus said:
I'm aware, yes. What I was trying to say was the genetic issues would not yet have been as pronounced as they are now or a decade ago.
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In Cincinnati's first litter of white tigers, all of the cubs had crossed eyes. Their mother also had two half-siblings (Sired by her mate) who had some pretty severe physical deformities. How no one took any of that into account and thought "Hmm... maybe breeding this lineage of tigers is a bad idea." I'll never understand.
 
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List on white tigers in AZA zoos from 2011, it wouldn't surprise me if the vast majority of these animals are deceased by now.

Article on why the AZA stopped allowing member zoos to breed white tigers. (And white lions, king cheetahs and white alligators too!)
 

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Wisp O' Mist said:
List on white tigers in AZA zoos from 2011, it wouldn't surprise me if the vast majority of these animals are deceased by now.
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Yeah, most are not holders any longer and several are not AZA anymore either. Side question, the picture lists Wildlife World in AZ as one of the AZA institutions, I thought they never held AZA accreditation?
 
SwampDonkey said:
Yeah, most are not holders any longer and several are not AZA anymore either. Side question, the picture lists Wildlife World in AZ as one of the AZA institutions, I thought they never held AZA accreditation?
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According to this news article, Wildlife World was accredited by the AZA from 1988 to 2009.

Wildlife World Zoo 'did everything right' after attack, official says

Furthermore, AZA member zoos have been known to work with Wildlife World on occasion. One episode of Animal Planet's The Zoo series featured the Bronx Zoo rehoming a Swamp Wallaby to Wildlife World.

[The Swamp Wallaby was a confiscation animal, someone had been keeping it in their NYC apartment as an illegal pet! Once city officials were alerted to it's presence, it was seized by them and given to the Bronx Zoo for rehoming. Swamp Wallabies are apparently rare in AZA zoos, but Wildlife World has had success breeding them and they were evidently very eager to accept the animal when the Bronx Zoo offered it to them... because it was an intact male and therefore could offer their mob a new bloodline.]
 
Wisp O' Mist said:
According to this news article, Wildlife World was accredited by the AZA from 1988 to 2009.

Wildlife World Zoo 'did everything right' after attack, official says

Furthermore, AZA member zoos have been known to work with Wildlife World on occasion. One episode of Animal Planet's The Zoo series featured the Bronx Zoo rehoming a Swamp Wallaby to Wildlife World.

[The Swamp Wallaby was a confiscation animal, someone had been keeping it in their NYC apartment as an illegal pet! Once city officials were alerted to it's presence, it was seized by them and given to the Bronx Zoo for rehoming. Swamp Wallabies are apparently rare in AZA zoos, but Wildlife World has had success breeding them and they were evidently very eager to accept the animal when the Bronx Zoo offered it to them... because it was an intact male and therefore could offer their mob a new bloodline.]
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Interesting, I was not aware of that. I personally don't have issues with WW, but I know some members do. It is actually one of my top 5 zoos.
 
Wisp O' Mist said:
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List on white tigers in AZA zoos from 2011, it wouldn't surprise me if the vast majority of these animals are deceased by now.

Article on why the AZA stopped allowing member zoos to breed white tigers. (And white lions, king cheetahs and white alligators too!)
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So the AZA wants to let these animals go to extinction? The king cheetahs has only 10 individuals in the wild and 50 in captivity.
 
Zoo adventures said:
So the AZA wants to let these animals go to extinction? The king cheetahs has only 10 individuals in the wild and 50 in captivity.
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White tigers, white lions, king cheetahs and white alligators originated in the wild and to some extent, the potential is there for them to reoccur.

You have to remember though, the patterns that make them so appealing to humans can make them stand out in their native habitats. And only ever occurred at a low frequency anyway.
 
Wisp O' Mist said:
White tigers, white lions, king cheetahs and white alligators originated in the wild and to some extent, the potential is there for them to reoccur.

You have to remember though, the patterns that make them so appealing to humans can make them stand out in their native habitats. And only ever occurred at a low frequency anyway.
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Yeah they can reoccur in the wild. Your right
 
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