Howletts Wild Animal Park Who does this man think he is?

Let's face it, being a gorilla, tiger or giraffe in London isn't so great (although that may cjange). If you're a wart-biter cricket, maybe a much better deal. With his collection of almost exclusively megafauna, I think Aspinall is referring to the bigger species still held in city zoos. I'm not saying he's not a hypocrite, I'm just saying his facilities for large mammals far, far superior. However, the current success of the tapir group at PL is partly due to ZSL producing calves that seem to go on to be particularly prolific when they mature.

Freedom of speech is important, its a shame often only fascists and aristocrats seem to make use of and defend it.*

*I am not calling Aspinall a fascist.
 
The large paddocks for ungulates are superior but the average big cat enclosure at Howletts and Port Lypne isn't especially big. Nor are many of the primate enclosures so I was surprised to hear him use the argument of space. Totally neglecting to note, of course, that London has massively scaled down its collection in recent decades.
 
I think Howletts and Port Lympne had the right recipe for how to structure their lion and tiger enclosures. I'm not so crazy about some of the cages used for leopards over the years but I can see how, with their breeding record, Aspinall might scoff at the suitability of London to house large species.

I still think you can put a group of say, Diana monkeys, in a cage such as the current one they occupy at London, and house them in an identical enclosure in the woods at Port Lympne, and have a more relaxed and socially cohesive group in the latter setting (although other factors such as individual histories come into play too).

The comments Aspinall made however did make him seem aloof and disconnected from his collections. It made me wonder whether he is aware of many of the moves and acquisitions at the parks. Whats more, given the efforts he's had to go to so that the parks don't lose money it would make sense that he'd attack urban zoos in favour of parks such as his.
 
Having read about the gorilla re-introduction one day and the direct criticism of London the next, I decided to keep out of this. However, given the number of interesting points in this thread I have changed my mind. I think we all know about the origins of the Howletts parks and the unorthodox approach of John Aspinall. There can be little doubt that his son has inherited an excellent collection on two sites but must be in a difficult situation.

I visited Howletts a couple of years ago and having read their website explained to my children that it might be difficult to see or get close to some of the animals. When we got there, we found that the 'we are not like other zoos' claim was not all it had seemed to be. Having visited London, Marwell, Whipsnade and numerous other smaller collections, I would say all the exhibits were just accessible and many of them more so than at other places I have visited.

I enjoyed my visit, found the staff very appraochable and friendly, ate in the cafeteria and thought the food was fine and not over priced and didn't even feel ripped off at the gift shop. The collection was varied and the park layout interesting.

However, I have to say that I saw more pacing and repetitive behaviour (that I would personally consider as sterotypic) than I have ever seen elsewhere, including London in the 1970's. This was evident with most of the small cats, tigers, ratel.

I think the message is really that all collections have some weak points and most make a positive contribution but to directly criticize another collection is never likely to be a good idea; for me this incident devalued the gorilla return (if it was a sensible thing to do in the first place and not just a good PR off load of surplus stock by someone who can afford to do that).
 
Damian Aspinall doesn't seem to be aware of the threats facing wildlife and wilderness areas in general around the world if he's talking like that. It's all well and good to claim that zoos are like prisons and should be shut down because they only exist for our entertainment and so forth. If that's his stance, then he should have shut down his parks as soon as he inherited them, and used his wealth to fund conservation programmes, anti-poaching patrols, etc. around the world.

Don't get me wrong here, he's doing a great job with reintroducing animals from his parks back to their native countries. I applaud him for donating the black rhinos to my country, Tanzania. However, i'm sure he's aware of the current threats facing Tanzania's most famous parks and reserves - Serengeti National Park and Selous Game Reserve. There's an ongoing issue regarding the highway that the Tanzanian government plans to build which will cut across the Serengeti, right across the path of the annual wildebeest migration. There are plans to build a hydroelectric dam at Stiegler's Gorge in the Selous. And lastly, there's the uranium mining project in the Selous, which will result in part of the reserve being hived off and turned into a wasteland.......this will only make things easier for poachers, and the Selous is one of the few places which has black rhinos. The reserve is a UNESCO World Heritage Site, and yet UNESCO have given the Tanzanian governement the go-ahead to proceed with the mine. South Africa is sending 32 black rhinos to Tanzania, all of them to the Serengeti. They sent five of them in 2010 and one has already been killed by poachers.

These are just a few of the threats to wildlife conservation in Tanzania, not to mention the rest of Africa and other countries around the world. And here we have a conservationist, Damian Aspinall, who i'm sure is well aware of all these facts but still insists on zoos being shut down and the animals returned to the wild. I also find his argument about "zoos not returning enough animals to wild" invalid. It's great that his parks managed it, and also fund the gorilla sanctuary in West Africa.......but not all zoos have the resources to do that. Zoos also exist for many other reasons apart from being "breeding centres" for animals to be released into the wild. Zoos are educational centres for adults and kids alike. Most people hardly know anything about nature and wildlife, or the threats facing wildlife conservation......and very few people bother to watch wildlife documentaries on TV. Also, a lot of people can't afford to travel to see animals in their natural habitat, and they're more than satisfied to see them in captivity. Zoos also preserve the environment to some extent. If most city zoos didn't exist, there would probably be some kind of residential or commercial development on the land that they occupy.

I agree that zoos should improve their facilities if they're not adequate for the animals they have. But the business of shutting them all down and returning the animals to the wild is absolute rubbish. I would agree with that if we lived in a perfect world, free of corruption, etc. But unfortunately this isn't the case. Being born and raised in an African country, I know what it's like out there. You can return as many animals as you like to the wild, but all it takes is a few corrupt "people in high places" to ruin everything and wipe them all out again. In addition, there are people who pose a threat to wildlife out of necessity.......here i'm referring to those who live in villages around the parks and reserves, and have to share the same space with wild animals. There's always conflicts between villagers and wildlife because they're both competing for the same space.

So maybe Damian Aspinall should come up with a different strategy like assisting the organisations who work with villagers in educating them on the benefits of wildlife conservation, or maybe funding anti-poaching units to protect the very animals he plans to release into the wild. As far as i'm aware, Tanzanian game parks have very poor security - not enough rangers and poorly equipped too. They don't lack the funding, all the parks generate enough income from tourists.......most of it tends to "disappear" rather mysteriously. Another issue is that most of the locals there have hardly got any idea of the threats facing wildlife and environment in general, and most of them couldn't care less. And on the other hand you have the government who claim they're "doing everything they can" to fight poaching, but yet want to build highways, dams and mines in the parks, not to mention requesting CITES to allow them to sell their ivory stockpile even though elephants poaching is on the rise again, and a couple of large ivory shipments from Tanzania have been confiscated recently.

Sorry for the long rant guys, it wasn't my intention to type so much.......but I just felt that I had to get it off my chest :) Now if only Mr. Aspinall could be made aware of such facts, he might change his conservation strategies, and give up the idea of shutting down zoos. Oh and I almost forgot.......zoos exist in Tanzania and other African countries too, despite the fact that we have all these great wildlife parks "right on our doorstep". Ironic isn't it? Most Africans have never seen the wildlife that our countries are famous for, and the majority can't afford to visit the parks.......so yeah, once again zoos provide an opportunity for people to see and learn about wild animals and the threats they face, and are not just "prisons" or entertainment centres.
 
Who does this man..

Well said Bwana Simba, I agree with everything you say.
 
Sorry for the long rant guys, it wasn't my intention to type so much.......but I just felt that I had to get it off my chest :) Now if only Mr. Aspinall could be made aware of such facts, he might change his conservation strategies, and give up the idea of shutting down zoos. Oh and I almost forgot.......zoos exist in Tanzania and other African countries too, despite the fact that we have all these great wildlife parks "right on our doorstep". Ironic isn't it? Most Africans have never seen the wildlife that our countries are famous for, and the majority can't afford to visit the parks.......so yeah, once again zoos provide an opportunity for people to see and learn about wild animals and the threats they face, and are not just "prisons" or entertainment centres.

Absolutely no offence to anyone else, but this may be judged to be the best post on this forum all year.

I was going to chime in with my two penn'orth, but how do you improve on that? :)
 
Absolutely no offence to anyone else, but this may be judged to be the best post on this forum all year.

I was going to chime in with my two penn'orth, but how do you improve on that? :)
Well all you can say is read and inwardly digest Mr Aspinall,because here speaks somebody who knows more about his own country than,Mr Aspinall ever will because he lives in a rose tinted world!!!!
 
Absolutely no offence to anyone else, but this may be judged to be the best post on this forum all year.

I was going to chime in with my two penn'orth, but how do you improve on that? :)

Have to agree, I was about to write on this topic but now it is only necessary to endorse bwanas post to exactly describe how I feel.
 
A very interesting and expressive post by Bwana Simba. I think it might be aptly titled 'The Other Side of the Coin'.
 
Thanks for the great feedback guys, and sorry again for the long post.......I may have repeated myself a number of times there. It's rather frustrating to come across articles like this, where people like Aspinall think they know what's best just because they have a better zoo than others, or released some animals into the wild. Like I said, I admire the man for what he's done for wildlife conservation, but he seems to say too much without knowing all the facts. I'm not sure about other countries where he's sent animals, but i'd expect him to be aware of the current situation in Tanzania at least......especially since he sent rhinos there. It's similar situation to the rubbish that the anti-hunting folks keep blabbering all over the place.......i'll save the hunting discussion for another time though lol.

My point here is that most people tend to say and do things without knowing the facts, or what the consequences of their actions might be. One has to have lived or worked for a while in countries like Tanzania, etc. in order to know how the situation really is over there.......or at least do some research on the internet before trying to act like a "know-it-all". If he were to bash other zoos for keeping animals in poor conditions and said that they should improve or shut down, then it'd be a different story......at least that would make sense.
 
B.S. I agree with all points made.

The Selous is right now a complete disaster zone. The second time round. Good that ZGF is getting back in to reorganise for eles and rhino conservation. ZGF is the driving force also behind the Serengeti rhino project and has been pushing authorities to implement the high grade security plan for the rhino relocation from S.Africa (after initial poaching cases and security lapses). The Mkomazi crew have sent several rangers to train the guys in Serengeti. The project should move forward further in 2013. AKA P.L. sent rhinos to Grumeti too ...


However, Mkomazi is a success story inside Tanzania that others might learn a thing or 2 from. Chester/NZES is doing good outreach work - they primarily financed the whole school bus project et cetera - ... so it is not all grim and gloomy.

Myself having been to Tanzania and both Serengeti/Ngorongoro and Selous wildlife areas know what I am on about.
 
Thanks for your input Kifaru Bwana, I have no doubt that you know what you're talking about. Yeah it's not all grim and gloomy, and there is hope for improvement, and hopefully all those highway, mining, dam and soda ash factory projects will be scrapped for the benefit of the wildlife.
Mkomazi is indeed a success story, thanks to the efforts of Tony Fitzjohn and everyone he works with. My point here was that David Aspinall shouldn't be calling for zoos to shut down and return their animals to the wild........I find it strange that someone in his positoin who is certainly aware of all the threats to wildlife conservation, would say something like that. Not to mention that the majority of zoo animals are captive bred anyway, and a lot of them probably wouldn't survive if released into the wild. Zoos exist for more reasons than just breeding animals for future release, so they'll always have a place in this world.
 
Agreed as observed before. I am sure even the local staff disagree with his notion that zoo parks are obsolete ..., but happy they involve some much into field research and taking back species into the wild (their work with rhinos and gorillas imo has been ground breaking).
 
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