Suzhou Zoo (Closed) Yangtze softshell turtle losing the battle

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Bid to save world's rarest turtles fails - Telegraph

are these really the only two left in the world? Is the male really 100 years old? I'm not sure that it would be all that easy to prove that a more-or-less completely aquatic turtle is or isn't still inhabiting rivers over its range, but it looks like the Yangtze softshell is going the way of the Yangtze dolphin....
Bid to save world's rarest turtles fails
By Malcolm Moore in Shanghai

At 80 years old, the only remaining female Yangtze giant soft-shell turtle in the world is now being kept behind bulletproof glass and is constantly monitored and guarded.

She successfully paired last spring with a 100-year-old male at Suzhou zoo in southern China.

However, the two clutches of eggs they produced did not hatch, according to Stephen Sautner at the Wildlife Conservation Society in the US.

"A number of the eggs had very thin shells, suggesting that the diet of the animals prior to breeding was not optimal," said a separate statement from the Turtle Survival Alliance.

Although more than half the eggs seemed fertile, the embryos perished before hatching.
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The pair of geriatric turtles are the only remaining Yangtze giant soft-shell turtles, or Rafetus Swinhoei. The existence of another male in Hoan Kiem Lake in the centre of Hanoi is thought to be merely a legend, while a fourth turtle, found in the wilds of North Vietnam in 2007, is now dead.

The turtles can grow up to a metre in length and weigh between 120kg and 140kg. They are distinguished by their soft green shells, their small piggish snouts and their eyes, which lie at the back of their heads.

Turtles are a symbol of health and longevity in China, but the number of Yangtze giant soft-shells has plummeted in the face of the extensive pollution of its freshwater habitats.

A survey of the country's plants and animals last year found that nearly 40 per cent of all mammal species in China are now endangered, while 70 per cent of non-flowering plants and 86 per cent of flowering species are threatened.

The two Chinese turtles are now being prepared for another round of mating this spring. The pair are being fed a high calcium diet to try to strengthen the eggs.

"We've worked very hard on this," said Liu Jinde, the director of the zoo. "We ought to succeed. The turtles are very healthy."
 
It is sad that there is so little of the Yangtze that is still untouched and unpolluted.
I saw in the newspaper that a scientist found this freshwater stingray that would have been at least 2 metres across.
 
Tortoises and turtles have been around for close on 210 million years. The Yangtze soft-shellted turtle pair at Suzhou Zoo have only last season been brought together. One failed breeding season does not mean the end of the battle. This was a case of desperately trying too soon.

The coming year the turtles will - in particular the female - will be better prepared with a more balanced nutrition. Last year she already produced over 100 eggs. If she does so again, the chances are much higher that the eggs have a more robust shell and also a higher chance of fertility.

In private hands quite a few endangered Cuora taxa are held. It is not unthinkable that some people might have further Yangtzes in a forgotten corner of China (after all it is a vast country).

Besides this if the next breeding season is successful the chances of bringing in the 2 male Yangtzes from Vietnam for further breeding is a real option in years to come just to diversify the gene pool a little. Inbreeding depression in reptiles is evolutionary less significant (viz their widely differing breeding techniques that include parthogenesis et al).

One lesson: hope is the start of a new vision, not a delusion for failure.
The brave are those that dare to dream beyond ... the unthinkable! :cool:
 
here's a better article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/world/asia/08turtle.html?em
Future of Giant Turtle Still Uncertain
By JIM YARDLEY
Published: October 7, 2008
Qi Zhenglin/Wildlife Conservation Society, via Associated Press

An 80-year-old Yangtze giant soft-shell turtle, the only female known to exist, was moved in May to a zoo in Suzhou to mate with a 100-year-old male turtle. So far, no population increase.

Scientists trying to save one of the world’s most endangered species of freshwater turtles say waiting is their only recourse after a complicated attempt to mate two elderly turtles during this year’s breeding season ended without producing any offspring.

The fate of the Yangtze giant soft-shell turtle seems especially uncertain because only one female is known to exist — an 80-year-old turtle with a leathery shell that lived without notice for a half century inside a zoo in Changsha, the capital of Hunan Province, in southern China. Only when scientists discovered her existence last year did it become clear that a chance remained to save her species.

In May, scientists drove her more than 600 miles to a zoo in the city of Suzhou. There, a male turtle estimated to be 100 years old awaited her. He had been the last known male of the species, though in recent months scientists discovered two more males in Vietnam.

Gerald Kuchling, a prominent herpetologist helping to oversee the mating program, said the male and female turtles were introduced to each other on May 7.

It was a meeting that carried some risk; males can be territorial and have been known to attack other, unfamiliar, turtles. On top of that, neither turtle had seen a member of the opposite sex in decades. But scientists say the pairing was a success.

“It worked very well,” Mr. Kuchling said by telephone.

June seemed to bring good news: The female produced roughly 100 eggs and about half appeared to be fertilized. But scientists now say the embryos apparently died in early development. A recent posting on the Web site of Turtle Survival Alliance, a global network focused on protecting endangered turtles, said “a number of the eggs had very thin or cracked eggshells, suggesting that the diet of the animals prior to breeding was not optimal.”

Mr. Kuchling said the female had been fed raw beef and pork, rather than a more desirable diet of fish and crayfish.

“If the nutrition of the female is not right, then the eggs usually die,” he said.

Males of the species can reach 220 pounds, while females are usually about half that size. The female from the Changsha zoo weighs about 90 pounds, while the male from the Suzhou zoo weighs more than twice as much.

Xie Yan, the China program director for the Wildlife Conservation Society, said she remained hopeful.

She said that the diet for the female had already been changed and that her general health was considered good. The discovery of two more males is also good news, she added. “The male and the female didn’t spend enough time together this year,” she said. “This was the first time they mated. Next time will be better.”

The Yangtze giant soft-shell turtle is one of the largest freshwater species in the world, though its population has been decimated by hunting and pollution. Last year, scientists struggled to persuade either the Suzhou or the Changsha zoo to allow its turtle to be moved.

Scientists had considered artificial insemination but decided the procedure would be too risky. It became unnecessary when the Changsha zoo agreed to move the female to Suzhou.

Now, the two turtles live in adjacent ponds at the Suzhou zoo. The ponds are connected through a small channel, which is blocked by an underwater door. That door will open again next May, during breeding season, and the two old turtles will try once again.
 
Does anyone who the latest on this?

63 eggs laid this year in June but can't find anything else - do we know if they are fertile? What is the incubation time?

Thx
 
The outlook is better than last year's last ditch attempt. Dietwise and enclosure-spacing and set up have all been improved in order to have the female and male rafetus in tip top condition for breeding. The early net result is a good production of eggs at 63. These will take time to hatch ...., so be patient and watch this space! :D
 
Does anyone know what are the plans for the breeding pair in the SuZhou Zoo? Last I read from TSA blog was that ChangSa Zoo want the female back. Are they still give another try at breeding the pair this year? I am just curious.
 
The TSA (Turtle Survival Alliance) reported the failed breeding (again) of the pair a few months ago in their online newsletter. I can't remember much other than that. Perhaps Google their site and then do a search using the search function.
 
I still had the old newsletter in my email inbox luckily. Did a quick search to make sure it wasn't in there, thankfully:

"Dr. Gerald Kuchling has provided us with a summary of the 2011 breeding season for the Yangtze giant softshell turtle (Rafetus swinhoei) at the Suzhou Zoo in China. While we feel that nutrition and husbandry have improved each year (along with the chances of a successful breeding), another season has closed with no hatchlings."

(Quote from the newsletter, not the following hyperlink)

Rafetus Breeding Attempt 2011 | Turtle Survival Alliance (TSA)
 
Thanks for the info guys. I am planning a trip next year and hoping to see them when I am there.
 
Wasn't the animal in Hanoi a female as well. George Schaller mentions it might be a female in his book "Tibet Wild"
 
In May 2008, After living in Changsha for more than half a century, the 80-year-old female Yangtze giant softshell turtle (Rafetus swinhoei) , considered to be the last female one of this species in the world, was sent to Suzhou Zoo to marry a male one there.

Unfortunately, six years on, they haven bred successfully (They had fertilized eggs, but all the embryos died in the first week no matter natural hatching or artificial incubation).

According to the agreement among Suzhou Zoo, Changsha Zoo and TSA, Changsha Ecological Zoo will take the female turtle back in September this year. However, as they haven't breed successfully up to now, when will the female turtle go will follow the decision of International experts. Said by Changsha Ecological Zoo director Rao Xiayun on May 4th. She also said that they hope the male turtle can also come to Changsha, and try to breed in the new environment.

Xiaoxiang Morning Edition, Changsha on May 5th
 
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Apparently the male's penis is severely deformed, and so artificial insemination is planned:
http://nyti.ms/1JRfhe8

(I know NY Times articles expire quickly, so feel free to quote the article content for future reference - I still don't know how to)
 
Earlier this month, an international team of scientists, veterinarians and zookeepers gathered at the Suzhou Zoo near Shanghai. Their desperate mission: to attempt the first artificial insemination ever of a softshell turtle, saving the species from oblivion.

“Even if we get just one or two hatchlings, I will be very happy,” said Gerald Kuchling, a project leader for the Turtle Survival Alliance, a nonprofit conservation organization. “Even a single one would give hope for the recovery of this magnificent animal. It would be a turn.”

Quite a turn, actually. The Yangtze giant softshell turtle — thought to be the largest freshwater turtle in the world — was once common in the Yangtze and Red Rivers. But by the late 1990s, pollution, hunting, dams and development had driven it to the brink of extinction.


An 80-year-old Yangtze giant soft-shell turtle, the only female known to exist, was moved in May to a zoo in Suzhou to mate with a 100-year-old male turtle. So far, no population increase.


There are only four known specimens remaining, and only one female — an 85-year-old resident of the Suzhou Zoo. For years, biologists have been trying to coax her and her 100-year-old mate to produce hatchlings. So far the pair have disappointed scientists, with the female laying clutch after clutch of unfertilized eggs.

She was discovered only in 2007, three years after the sole other known female died at the Beijing Zoo. Desperate to find another, Dr. Kuchling and Lu Shunqing, a turtle specialist from the Wildlife Conservation Society’s China branch, had asked every zoo in the country to send them photographs of any large softshell turtles in their possession.

One image, taken at the Changsha Zoo in Hunan, caught their eye, and days later, they arrived to examine the turtle. It was indeed a Yangtze giant softshell turtle and, crucially, a female. She had once been part of a traveling animal exhibition, they learned, and became a permanent resident of the zoo shortly after the end of the Chinese Revolution in 1949.

Dr. Kuchling and Dr. Lu arranged for her transport to the Suzhou Zoo, where they hoped she and the zoo’s male specimen would begin producing more of their kind. To their delight, the animals did appear to mate, and that summer, the female laid around 180 eggs.

But none proved fertile, a disappointment that would repeat itself for six years. “The conservation world was holding its breath,” said Rick Hudson, the president of the Turtle Survival Alliance. “It’s been a lot of frustration since.”

Scientists decided to intervene. On May 6, Dr. Kuchling and Dr. Lu, with a team that included turtle experts from the United States, drained the male’s pond and used a cargo net to wrangle the 140-pound turtle onto a stack of car tires that served as a makeshift examination stand. Putting him under anesthesia, the scientists used an electrical probe to induce a partial penile erection.

Normally, the penis of the Yangtze giant softshell turtle looks a bit like a medieval weapon. Equipped with fleshy spikes, protuberances and lobes, it is designed to navigate the female’s equally complex reproductive organ, located inside a byzantine chamber called the cloaca.

The problem became immediately clear to the scientists: This turtle’s penis was mangled.

Two decades earlier, another Yangtze giant softshell turtle had been added to the male’s pond in an attempt to mate the animals. The second turtle turned out to be male, as well, and the two fought. The second male was killed, and the victor suffered serious damage to his shell and, it now appears, to his reproductive organ.

The team also examined the male’s sperm — extracted using electrical stimuli — and finally discovered good news. While motility was low, the sperm were viable. The scientists decided to proceed with artificial insemination of the female.

With no case studies to go on, the team had to improvise. Dr. Kuchling examined the sedated female’s cloaca with a fiber-optic endoscope to locate the compartment leading to her oviducts. Then Barbara Durrant, the director of reproductive physiology at the San Diego Zoo’s Institute for Conservation Research, deposited the semen.

“It was just a matter of delivering the semen through a small plastic tube into what we think is the correct place,” she said. “Unfortunately, there just hasn’t been that much basic reproductive physiology work done in turtles and tortoises.”

Even if it’s guesswork, artificial insemination may be the only chance to save the species. Two other male Yangtze giant softshell turtles are believed to be in Vietnam — one in Hoan Kiem Lake, in the center of Hanoi. But those animals “are pretty much off limits for any non-Vietnamese,” Dr. Kuchling said, and so a collaborative breeding program seems unlikely.

A handful of Yangtze giant softshell turtles may remain in the wild; tentative sightings have been reported in a dam reservoir on the Red River in Yunnan Province. Conservationists, however, are not betting that another male will be captured anytime soon.


Now the wait begins. When the female lays her first clutch of eggs, probably by late June, the scientists will know if this first effort was fruitful.

“Nobody has ever done this before, and it’s probably a long shot,” Dr. Kuchling said. “But we are all hopeful, and if it doesn’t work this time, we’ll definitely try again. Despair is not an option.”
 
(I know NY Times articles expire quickly, so feel free to quote the article content for future reference - I still don't know how to)
quoting articles needs to be done manually, it isn't quite as simple as copying and pasting the web address. So what you do (and for anyone else that doesn't know the steps) is this:

On the article highlight the entire article, then hit copy (either Ctrl and C at the same time, or right-click on your mouse and select "copy"). Then in the post box for the thread write
and put your cursa after it, then... (I have to split this post or it won't be able to be read)
 
...copy the article into the post box by either pressing Ctrl and V at the same time, or using right-click on your mouse and selecting "paste". After the article you write [/quote] (note the back-slash, which is very important or it won't work).

Everything between the two
boxes will show as a quote. Note bongorob didn't use
boxes in his quoting above, so it just shows up as normal text.

If you're using a phone, though, I have no idea :p
 
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