Zoo Animals Populations that will Expand in the Future

[Nikola Chavkosk]

What you think zoochatters, wich zoo animal species, who are currently represented in small number of zoos (and in small (relatively) numbers of individuals), will have quite expanding population (both by captive breeding and because of ''wild'' imports) in zoos in near future.

I was inspired for this thread from Venezuelan red howler monkey, and Bolivian adventure of devilfish

I can list these animals species, who currently are (very) rare to see in zoos, but who have the potential for expanding of their population in zoos, quickly, in the near future:

-Venezuelan red howler
-Bonobo
-Koala (Queensland subspecies)

What other animals can come on your mind?

 

[aardvark250]

Aardvark
Armadillo
Tamandua

 

[Chlidonias]

I can list these animals species, who currently are (very) rare to see in zoos, but who have the potential for expanding of their population in zoos, quickly, in the near future:

-Venezuelan red howler
-Bonobo
-Koala (Queensland subspecies)

why these ones?

Aardvark
Armadillo
Tamandua

why these ones?


Anyone can just stick a list of animals here. But it is useless without some sort of reasoning behind them.

 

[Nikola Chavkosk]

Aardvark
Armadillo
Tamandua

This seems that was case already with the red panda, Brazilian tapir, giant anteater? among many other zoo animals.

I would exhibit aardvark in my eventual zoo.

 

[Nikola Chavkosk]

why these ones?
Anyone can just stick a list of animals here. But it is useless without some sort of reasoning behind them.

First of all because of potential for (easy) breeding in a zoo, and then easiness for importations from their natve range countries (like for Venezuelan red howler via French oversea teritories (and 2 zoos there already holding them - like are waiting to be sent to Europe ), or with koala from Australia - as Belgium Pairi Daiza did recently), and the interest of keeping such species - eg. Venezuelan red howler monkey - very attractive.
It is a issue to identify a such trend, as like it was (and still is) with red panda, Brazilian tapir, pygmy hippopotamus (in Europe), and many other animals.

 

[Chlidonias]

First of all because of potential for (easy) breeding in a zoo, and then easiness for importations from their natve range countries (like for Venezuelan red howler via French oversea teritories, or with koala from Australia - as Belgium Pairi Daiza did recently), and the interest of keeping such species - eg. Venezuelan red howler monkey - very attractive.

I'm not entirely sure either of those positions are accurate with regards to howlers - I can't say I know a lot about howlers but I gather there aren't a lot of them in European zoos, which suggests firstly they don't breed prolifically (or alternatively it is hard to sustain the populations), and secondly that they aren't popular for zoos to hold.

If bonobos in zoos were going to "expand quickly in the near future" wouldn't that have already occurred? I couldn't imagine there will suddenly be a whole lot coming out of the Congo into foreign zoos.

It is a issue to identify a such trend, as like it was (and still is) with red panda, Brazilian tapir, pygmy hippopotamus (in Europe), and many other animals.

you lost me with the English. Do you mean it is difficult to foresee where things will go (which is obvious) or do you mean it is important to foresee where things will go?

 

[Nikola Chavkosk]

I'm not entirely sure either of those positions are accurate with regards to howlers - I can't say I know a lot about howlers but I gather there aren't a lot of them in European zoos, which suggests firstly they don't breed prolifically (or alternatively it is hard to sustain the populations), and secondly that they aren't popular for zoos to hold.

Actually Chlidonias, you may know that Black and gold howler monkey in Europe is represented with more than 140 individuals, and they are sent to zoos never holded them, like in Zagreb zoo in Croatia, who are new EAZA-members.

If bonobos in zoos were going to "expand quickly in the near future" wouldn't that have already occurred? I couldn't imagine there will suddenly be a whole lot coming out of the Congo into foreign zoos.

I think it is already happening with bonobos (in Europe more than 115 bonobos) (thus I wrote 'relatively small number' of individuals in original post) but still in small number of zoos, hence need to expand in more zoos. All apes currently keep in zoos are very successfully bred in captivity.

you lost me with the English. Do you mean it is difficult to foresee where things will go (which is obvious) or do you mean it is important to foresee where things will go?

I mean neither of this. I meant it is relatively easy to identify such trend (expanding of population) in particular zoo animal species.

ps. I think you are Scorpio rising (as me) (off topic).

 

[Nikola Chavkosk]

you lost me with the English. Do you mean it is difficult to foresee where things will go (which is obvious) or do you mean it is important to foresee where things will go?

Maybe it was better thread title to be ''Zoo Animals Populations that are Expanding in Zoos''

 

[Chlidonias]

Actually Chlidonias, you may know that Black and gold howler monkey in Europe is represented in more than 140 individuals, and they are sent to zoos newer holded them, like in Zagreb zoo in Croatia, who are new EAZA-members.

nope, I did not know that. But that does not equate to Venezuelan red howlers suddenly taking off in zoos.

I think it is already happening with bonobos (in Europe more than 115 bonobos) (thus I wrote 'relatively small number' of individuals in original post) but still in small number of zoos, hence need to expand in more zoos. All apes currently keep in zoos are very successfully bred in captivity.

I think there's some reason bonobos aren't more widespread. I think there's a thread or two discussing it. The "need" to expand to more zoos also is not the same thing as "will" expand to more zoos, especially in a "near future" sort of time-frame.

I mean neither of this. I meant it is relatively easy to identify such trend (expanding of population) in particular zoo animal species.

mm, I don't think that is true at all. Nobody could have foreseen meerkats rising the way they did, for example.

ps. I think you are Scorpio rising (as me) (off topic).

I have no idea (and don't really have any interest in knowing).




Basically, all I'm saying is that it is more productive to provide what you think are good reasons for listing any given species, and people can debate that. Just saying something like "species X can be imported from its home country and it is easy to breed" would apply to thousands of species. It isn't really a valid reason for suggesting the zoo population of that animal is going to expand in the near future.

 

[Chlidonias]

Maybe it was better thread title to be ''Zoo Animals Populations that are Expanding in Zoos''

that appears to be a completely different topic than what you started the thread with, though?

 

[aardvark250]

As giant anteater. Tamandua is just small anteater.They are fluffy,cute,why giant anteater is expanding but not tamandua?

 

[Nikola Chavkosk]

I think there's some reason bonobos aren't more widespread.

What would be a reason for that?

Basically, all I'm saying is that it is more productive to provide what you think are good reasons for listing any given species, and people can debate that.

Yes I like that. The zoochatter will list species that thinks that will expand and should have good reasons for that. I just listed those species, and if zoochatters show interest why they are listed (as you), I would provide good reasons (in my opinion) why are they listed, as I already did (again in my opinion from that what I can, and what I have, read):

-Venezuelan red howler - attractive species, simmilar species is doing well in captivity (black-and gold howler), and easiness for importation (like via French oversea territories or that because is not threatened species)
-Bonobo - very attractive, easy to breed
-Koala - very attractive (and thus big interest from zoos keeping it), relatively easy, or opportunity for, importation from Australia, breeds well in captivity.

 

[Nikola Chavkosk]

that appears to be a completely different topic than what you started the thread with, though?

Ok now I am confused.
I liked with this thread, to be listed zoo animals that can come on your mind (and I can't remmember them right now - but can after deeper analysis), that will, or are already expanding in zoos (and thus will be further expanded).

Expanding = (relatively) quick increase in numbers and representation in more and more zoos.

Reasons (why the zoochater thinks that) for such thinking (listed animals) from a particular zoochater, are optional and debatable.

 

[Chlidonias]

Ok now I am confused.
I liked with this thread, to be listed zoo animals that can come on your mind (and I can't remmember them right now - but can after deeper analysis), that will, or are already expanding in zoos (and thus will be further expanded).

Expanding = (relatively) quick increase in numbers and representation in more and more zoos.

Reasons (why the zoochater thinks that) for such thinking (listed animals) from a particular zoochater, are optional and debatable.

I have a pedantic mind-set, I like minutiae.

What I was saying was that in the original post you were saying you wanted to discuss species which have a small captive population now but will be expanding in the near future. The suggestion of changing the name of the thread was to species which are expanding their populations in zoos.

The first is opinion on what you think will happen in the future. The second is what is visible right now.

 

[Nikola Chavkosk]

What I was saying was that in the original post you were saying you wanted to discuss species which have a small captive population now but will be expanding in the near future. The suggestion of changing the name of the thread was to species which are expanding their populations in zoos.

The first is opinion on what you think will happen in the future. The second is what is visible right now.

Yeah, I definitively meant on species who are currently represented with (relatively) small numbers and in few zoos, and who will (most probably) be expanding in near future or are already expanding.

This thread is not a place for animals who are also expanding in zoos, but who are more numerous and well represented in zoos (like for example red panda) (wich mean that they are already expanded in zoos).

 

[Carl Jones]

This is an important question and one which has been looked at on here in the past in various ways. There are those species that zoos have to have to meet public demand: tigers, orangs, zebras, chimps, giraffes, camels, lions, elephants, gorillas ...... and then there are those animals that show boom and bust cycles in captivity where zoos are interested for a few years and then loose interest in them. These are the often small, obscure unusual species that zoos like to have to provide variety and interest. Zoos have to be dynamic to provide interest to attract the punters and hence there will always be a group of animals that come and go.

What is really interesting are those animals that fifty years ago we would never have predicted would be part of the staple makeup of a zoos such as meercats. These will persist because they tick all the boxes in terms of being engaging, social, easy to manage and breed.

European otters that are nocturnal and largely solitary have declined in collections and been replaced by Oriental short-clawed otters that are more user friendly and make far better exhibits.

An animal that will become a major componet of zoos in the future will be the Giant Panda, that is if the Chinese let go of their grip on them.

 

[Jana]

European otters that are nocturnal and largely solitary have declined in collections and been replaced by Oriental short-clawed otters that are more user friendly and make far better exhibits.

I agree, Oriental short-clawed otters had a period of quick spread among zoos to become the most seen species by large margin (while European otter was not so popular, for reasons you mentioned).

But, for example, this tide has been reversed recently in Czech zoos. European otters make a renaissance right now, two larger zoos (Liberec and Decin) are building for this species right now, and several private small collections too. Reason is supply of young handreared otters from local rescue stations that need new home, and are too tame to be released back into nature.

 

[Pertinax]

For those that have the space and facilities to house them, desirables like Black Rhino, Indian Rhino, Gorilla and (to an extent) even Okapi are all free-breeding nowadays with surplus becoming available to new holders.

 

[Mr. Zootycoon]

I think white-nosed coati will become more common,
as the ring-tailed coati is now illegal to transfer and breed.

The same goes for crab-eating raccoons (instead of common raccoon)
and beavers (instead of nutria). And in lesser extent for other Oxyura-ducks
that will replace O. jamaicensis, and keepers of sacred ibis will probably switch to
other species of ibis sooner or later.

 

[pachyderm pro]

I think white-nosed coati will become more common,
as the ring-tailed coati is now illegal to transfer and breed.

I really hope my zoo gets them there tropics building is perfect for them.

I think pangolins might be more common while san diego and Brookfield are the only 2 zoos to have them Brookfield has nine and 3 pregnate seems this spieces could have a bright future as some baby's once grown might be sent to other zoos expanding the population.