Zoo/Aquarium Hot Takes

- Reptile houses aren't worth seeing

1. Brookfield Zoo. Great species variety and research on animal welfare. The dolphins are a plus, and I look forward to their return.
2. San Diego Zoo. Fantastic and rare species, and great investment in conservation.
3. Zoo Atlanta. Founders of the Great Ape heart project.
4. ZooTampa. I love how they have multiple rescued species, as well as many local animals.
5. North Carolina Zoo. Mainly because of size, which allows better exhibits and more species.
Not really a criticism of your list, but I do find it kind of funny that you dislike reptile houses and yet in your top three zoos you have: Brookfield, which has multiple reptile-focused buildings, San Diego which is arguably the best zoo in the US for reptiles and Atlanta, a zoo that's best exhibit is its reptile house.
 
Zoo photography is by definition taking photos at a zoo. Therefore in itself it can’t be ‘cheating’.

So not so hot tbh.

Now had you said photographing wild animals at the zoo was cheating as all wild animals should only be photographed in the wild and real photographers would only touch that etc etc, maybe that would have made some sense. Old hat, pointless view as people can photograph what they like though.
Of course people can photograph what they like. Clarity is something I'm flawed at. What I mean is its cheating when people categorize it as wildlife photography, which believe it or not, has occurred.
 
Not really a criticism of your list, but I do find it kind of funny that you dislike reptile houses and yet in your top three zoos you have: Brookfield, which has multiple reptile-focused buildings, San Diego which is arguably the best zoo in the US for reptiles and Atlanta, a zoo that's best exhibit is its reptile house.
A reptile house doesn't take away from a zoo for me, I just don't think it's worth seeing behavior wise. I might check one out if the exhibits are very well designed.
 
Yes- I myself have seen it categorized that way. Just not here. I do wildlife photography. It does seem the way I came across was confusing. Pretty new to this forum and still adjusting to the community.
As a photographer myself, I’ve not seen people claim it was wildlife photography. Sure the animals in a zoo setting are wild animals for the most part so I get why some refer to them as wildlife. But since it’s a captive setting, I wouldn’t qualify it as wildlife photography due to the setting it’s taken place at. I post photos frequently on my social media pages and Reddit, I always make it a point where I took the photos so viewers know where it took place.
 
Allow me to rephrase. The show introduced me to the zoo, and then when checking it out virtually, I was impressed with the field conservation programs. Communication is not my strong suit.
But still that would only mean that you’ve only looked into a very narrow pool of zoos- and highlight them on doing things that practically most if not all major zoos participate in. Looking just at the zoos featured on a television show will not give you enough information to automatically rank ‘all the zoos in the country’.
 
A reptile house doesn't take away from a zoo for me, I just don't think it's worth seeing behavior wise. I might check one out if the exhibits are very well designed.
I like the way reptiles look, but in fairness it's rare I spend a long time staring at any particular reptile. I really liked seeing the king cobra at Milwaukee active, and I enjoyed listening to the volunteer talk about the Gila Monsters, but... yeah for the most part, they don't do much.
 
, but... yeah for the most part, they don't do much.
That's just what they want you to think:

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I mean, it's opinion, there's no actual reward or really anything for what any random person ranks a zoo
No, there isn’t- and nowhere did I remotely imply that there was to be an ideal way to rank zoos. It’s clear from ZDP’s posts that she had her particular reasons for why she ranked the way she did. And while those reasons may be important to her- which is fine, we all value different things in different ways- it was apparent to me that those rankings were based off of very limited insight. And while, yes, I’m not in her mind, and I don’t know what knowledge she had, what was available to me on the forum was lacking, and was worth the scrutiny (for lack of a better word). After all, if one of the major criterion for a good ranking was contribution towards conservation, then why wouldn’t Bronx dominate that list? And more than that, if welfare were a big consideration, wouldn’t San Diego be ranked above Brookfield, since it is widely considered to have better welfare than the latter?

Opinion is opinion, yes. And we are all entitled to our opinions, yes. But we must also be able to create well-founded arguments in which we can argue for when asked upon, this is a discussion forum, after all? And it is a hot take thread, too, so it is even more a conversation for altering viewpoints and questions to come across. The way that I’ve seen ZooChat function for the years I’ve been around- it’s not just an empty void where we can dump our thoughts and/or poorly supported arguments and not expect any response. If that’s what you’re looking for, I’m sure the junkyards of Twitter and Reddit would be better suited towards your interests. But we’re not here for that, so while I agree and welcome everyone to share their opinions- let’s not do so in a way that we just don’t expect any questions or opposition when we say things that may scratch the heads of others.
 
Personally, I've always found tortoises to be very engaging, and often active, animals to watch in zoos, and when snakes are active they can make very engaging exhibit animals (although I agree that more often than not they are inactive, but that's ectothermy for you). While I'm personally not a super big fan of reptile houses (I find most have crowd control issues, and some can also get repetitive), some of the new reptile houses built in recent years in Fort Worth, Knoxville, and Atlanta seem excellent.
 
No, there isn’t- and nowhere did I remotely imply that there was to be an ideal way to rank zoos. It’s clear from ZDP’s posts that she had her particular reasons for why she ranked the way she did. And while those reasons may be important to her- which is fine, we all value different things in different ways- it was apparent to me that those rankings were based off of very limited insight. And while, yes, I’m not in her mind, and I don’t know what knowledge she had, what was available to me on the forum was lacking, and was worth the scrutiny (for lack of a better word). After all, if one of the major criterion for a good ranking was contribution towards conservation, then why wouldn’t Bronx dominate that list? And more than that, if welfare were a big consideration, wouldn’t San Diego be ranked above Brookfield, since it is widely considered to have better welfare than the latter?

Opinion is opinion, yes. And we are all entitled to our opinions, yes. But we must also be able to create well-founded arguments in which we can argue for when asked upon, this is a discussion forum, after all? And it is a hot take thread, too, so it is even more a conversation for altering viewpoints and questions to come across. The way that I’ve seen ZooChat function for the years I’ve been around- it’s not just an empty void where we can dump our thoughts and/or poorly supported arguments and not expect any response. If that’s what you’re looking for, I’m sure the junkyards of Twitter and Reddit would be better suited towards your interests. But we’re not here for that, so while I agree and welcome everyone to share their opinions- let’s not do so in a way that we just don’t expect any questions or opposition when we say things that may scratch the heads of others.

All that is well and good, I'm simply saying that whatever someone's experience is... is what they have to base their opinion on. It seemed to me that you were saying that was not enough of a standing to be able to create a personal "top 5 zoos" list. I do think it's weird that Brookfield was ranked as #1 by someone vocally concerned with welfare, sure, at that Bronx or San Diego was not, but it's not my list.

I would expect a response to any opinion or statement at all on Reddit or Twitter as well, for what it's worth. I wasn't saying that someone could just throw out any random opinion and just leave it to rot. I'm saying that an opinion is not more or less valid because of what it's based on, it's simply a(n) (subjective) opinion.
 
If we're throwing reptiles under the bus for inactivity, how about we criticize big cats and koalas for it too? Just saying. :p

Also reminded of a chuckwalla that went absolutely batty whenever he saw his food bowl coming. :D
For me it's more like I'm parading them through the street with pride saying "look at this little guy! and how he just sits there!!!" :p
 
It seemed to me that you were saying that was not enough of a standing to be able to create a personal "top 5 zoos" list.
It was not a top 5 list, though. It was a ranking of 'all the zoos in the country', and furthermore- some zoos that the maker had not even visited, which would make the 'personal experience' aspect of the ranking (not that there seemed to be one), questionable.
 
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