Zoo/Aquarium Hot Takes

• Indianapolis has the best orangutan exhibit of AZA zoos
Definitely not. Maybe it's the most memorable for better or worse, but the lack of proper outdoor enclosures and the sterile appearance hold it back tremendously. Even from a visitor perspective the glare on most of the viewing windows is terrible. It has its strengths like the o-line and the large amount of useable vertical space, but I'll take Woodland Park, Saint Louis or Omaha with their far superior outdoor habitats any day of the week.
 
• Cleveland is better than Cincinnati Zoo
• Brookfield is better than Toledo and Detroit
I would be curious to hear some elaboration on these points. Toledo and Detroit have always seemed among the more acclaimed zoos in the US to me, while Brookfield, Cleveland and Cincinnati always seem to lean more negative in coverage. I know my home zoo's situation both ways of course. I have only visited Brookfield of those quoted. (although Toledo is likely in the near future.)
 
I would be curious to hear some elaboration on these points. Toledo and Detroit have always seemed among the more acclaimed zoos in the US to me, while Brookfield, Cleveland and Cincinnati always seem to lean more negative in coverage. I know my home zoo's situation both ways of course. I have only visited Brookfield of those quoted. (although Toledo is likely in the near future.)
Detroit is the most overrated zoo in North America. It feels super empty, and the oversized enclosures make exhibitry poor. The penguin and amphibian houses are undeniably cool but the rest of the zoo really isn't tbh.
 
Detroit is the most overrated zoo in North America. It feels super empty, and the oversized enclosures make exhibitry poor. The penguin and amphibian houses are undeniably cool but the rest of the zoo really isn't tbh.
Even though Detroit is my local zoo I very much agree with this post. I found a few other zoos more disappointing than Detroit but that is very rare. The only other possibly impressive parts of the zoo is if you are lucky enough to see the polar bears or the tiger, red panda and wolf habitats.
 
I would be curious to hear some elaboration on these points. Toledo and Detroit have always seemed among the more acclaimed zoos in the US to me, while Brookfield, Cleveland and Cincinnati always seem to lean more negative in coverage. I know my home zoo's situation both ways of course. I have only visited Brookfield of those quoted. (although Toledo is likely in the near future.)
Cincinnati is better than Toledo and Detroit imo.
 
Cincinnati is better than Toledo and Detroit imo.
Cincinnati is leagues ahead of Detroit, they aren't even comparable IMO. Not sure about Cincinnati being better than Toledo, though. I love both of them a lot and I feel like I could go either way. I think Toledo is slightly better, maybe?
 
Cincinnati is leagues ahead of Detroit, they aren't even comparable IMO. Not sure about Cincinnati being better than Toledo, though. I love both of them a lot and I feel like I could go either way. I think Toledo is slightly better, maybe?
I’ve been to Toledo at least 50 times and Cincinnati around 5 times so that may have an influence, I am not the biggest fan of Toledo’s habitats but some are impressive each visit (reptile house, aquarium, aviary)
 
I’ve been to Toledo at least 50 times and Cincinnati around 5 times so that may have an influence, I am not the biggest fan of Toledo’s habitats but some are impressive each visit (reptile house, aquarium, aviary)
Toledo's outdoor areas are pretty boring, but their indoor areas are so incredibly amazing they more than make up for it.
 
The only outdoor area I like at the zoo is tembo trail which is still not that impressive.
The Tembo Trail isn't that impressive, as you admit, but some of the outdoor aviaries are pretty cool. Especially Flamingo Key, the Pheasantry, and the penguin area. Though the last two are really only impressive because of some cool rarities.
 
The Tembo Trail isn't that impressive, as you admit, but some of the outdoor aviaries are pretty cool. Especially Flamingo Key, the Pheasantry, and the penguin area. Though the last two are really only impressive because of some cool rarities.
I never really found the penguin exhibit compared to other facilities but it has grown on me. I do miss the walkthrough part though.
 
Detroit is the most overrated zoo in North America. It feels super empty, and the oversized enclosures make exhibitry poor. The penguin and amphibian houses are undeniably cool but the rest of the zoo really isn't tbh.
Yeah. I recall you sharing these thoughts before and you've been very infornative with my past questions.

It was the Toledo vs Brookfield comparison I found more surprising. I very rarely hear any exhibits at Brookfield subject to praise by nonlocals (most mentions by nonlocals seem to go something something Tropic World sucks something something pangolin) but feel like I've seen people from everywhere praise multiple exhibits at Toledo including ProMedica and the aviary.
 
Yeah. I recall you sharing these thoughts before and you've been very infornative with my past questions.

It was the Toledo vs Brookfield comparison I found more surprising. I very rarely hear any exhibits at Brookfield subject to praise by nonlocals (most mentions by nonlocals seem to go something something Tropic World sucks something something pangolin) but feel like I've seen people from everywhere praise multiple exhibits at Toledo including ProMedica and the aviary.
Disclaimer that I also think Brookfield is perhaps the most underrated zoo in North America. Do with that what you will.

(Do I count as a local? I live 4 hours away from Chicago but visit fairly regularly and have been visiting the Chicago zoos since I was a kid)
 
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Definitely not. Maybe it's the most memorable for better or worse, but the lack of proper outdoor enclosures and the sterile appearance hold it back tremendously. Even from a visitor perspective the glare on most of the viewing windows is terrible. It has its strengths like the o-line and the large amount of useable vertical space, but I'll take Woodland Park, Saint Louis or Omaha with their far superior outdoor habitats any day of the week.
This is gonna sound daft but, as much as people treat the exhibit as utterly offensive, it's pretty fixable if you just do the following.

Redo the indoor exhibit: Install a thick biofloor of mulch and make the climbing structures far more thick and varied.

Devote more outdoor space to the orangutans: There seem to be some spots that can easily be expanded into proper yards. My main imperative would be to avoid the frequent temptation of zoo designers to make them too bright and sunny. Ideally, have a floor with mulch and dirt and make sure to keep the enclosures well shaded.

Finally, reduce the window glare by making as many of those viewing areas sheltered from the light.
 
I see a lot of people going to mediocre or even bad zoos just to see some ultra-rare species that only that zoo has. But I would MUCH rather see an extremely common/boring species in a really good exhibit, than some rarity in a cage.

Example:
I'd much rather see a Dwarf crocodile, that's held in more zoos to count, in an exhibit like Wildlands':
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Than see the rare New Guinea crocodile in a boring habitat like this:
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Second hot take, although this one would only be relevant to European ZooChatters I suppose:
Wildlands is one of the best zoos in the Netherlands and doesn't deserve all the controversy around it. I rank it way above other big Dutch zoos like Ouwehands, Amersfoort or Artis
 
I see a lot of people going to mediocre or even bad zoos just to see some ultra-rare species that only that zoo has. But I would MUCH rather see an extremely common/boring species in a really good exhibit, than some rarity in a cage.

Example:
I'd much rather see a Dwarf crocodile, that's held in more zoos to count, in an exhibit like Wildlands':
full


Than see the rare New Guinea crocodile in a boring habitat like this:
full



Second hot take, although this one would only be relevant to European ZooChatters I suppose:
Wildlands is one of the best zoos in the Netherlands and doesn't deserve all the controversy around it. I rank it way above other big Dutch zoos like Ouwehands, Amersfoort or Artis
I really dislike wildlands, it feels more like theme park then a zoo , the guy who designed it wanted it to be a theme park instead of zoo i just sense it. I do like the spacious exhibits do
 
I see a lot of people going to mediocre or even bad zoos just to see some ultra-rare species that only that zoo has. But I would MUCH rather see an extremely common/boring species in a really good exhibit, than some rarity in a cage.

Example:
I'd much rather see a Dwarf crocodile, that's held in more zoos to count, in an exhibit like Wildlands':
full


Than see the rare New Guinea crocodile in a boring habitat like this:
full



Second hot take, although this one would only be relevant to European ZooChatters I suppose:
Wildlands is one of the best zoos in the Netherlands and doesn't deserve all the controversy around it. I rank it way above other big Dutch zoos like Ouwehands, Amersfoort or Artis

I agree completely on the first point.

On a similar note, particularly with small to mid sized zoos, I like it when the zoo is aware of its limitations and doesn't try to cram in a number of high-profile species. instead giving good sized enclosures to those that it does have.
 
I feel like more people will agree with this than I think will, but larger habitats aren’t always a bad thing. I understand that you don’t always see the animals but I think a larger habitat makes it more rewarding and exciting when you do see the animal. Of course, “larger” is connected to size of the species. You wouldn’t associate a larger enclosure for dik-dik as being the same as a larger enclosure for a leopard, for example.
 
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