Zoo/Aquarium Hot Takes

Thats very interesting about the cleaning issues for the goats. Prague Zoo gives their mountain goats a vertical cliff face that is surely at least 100 metres tall and covered in rocky ledges. Cleaning that must be immeasurably harder than cleaning the Mappins ever was. I wonder how they do it; abseiling?
I've heard somewhere on this site that they clean only the section at the bottom including the moats and any housing with the rest being left untouched. Edit: the discussion can be found here: Europe's 100 must see exhibits
 
From what I heard the mappin terraces had serious infrastructure problems and due to it being a listed area they couldn't change anything. I think that I read this at one of the early photos of the outback exhibit at the london zoo gallery.
And to throw my own hot take, I think that insect/butterflies houses are a waste of space. I would much prefer that space to be dedicated to amphibians/reptiles/birds/mammals. I've never seen the appeal for this type of areas and normally skip the exhibit unless there's a unique species in there.
 
From what I heard the mappin terraces had serious infrastructure problems and due to it being a listed area they couldn't change anything. I think that I read this at one of the early photos of the outback exhibit at the london zoo gallery.
And to throw my own hot take, I think that insect/butterflies houses are a waste of space. I would much prefer that space to be dedicated to amphibians/reptiles/birds/mammals. I've never seen the appeal for this type of areas and normally skip the exhibit unless there's a unique species in there.
Yes, infrastructure issues are why the Aquarium was closed, although seeing as the current wallaby and emu enclosure is in front of the terraces rather than on them, the state of said infrastructure wouldn’t be affected by the inhabitants of that paddock. It is worth noting that it being a listed building only prevents radical reform or complete demolition, they would still be able to make the repairs needed to the actual structure. The issue is expense.

I don’t take issue with the fact that you don’t enjoy insect houses (each to their own), but calling them a waste of space is just untrue (I get this is hot takes) - when you look at the sheer number of seriously endangered invertebrate species kept, bred, and sometimes eve released in zoos, such as Lord Howe’s Island Stick Insect or any Partula Snail, it becomes immediately obvious that the holding of invertebrate species in zoos is crucial. The educational value is huge for species that are so widely engulfed in irrational phobias, and for some species such as butterflies there is an enormous amount of joy to be found in admiring their variety of colours and beauty.

As we are already on the subject of London Zoo, it feels fitting to mention their invertebrate house, one of the very finest in the world, which after several name changes has now been dubbed ‘Tiny Giants.’ Partulas are bred here, but it is also a thoroughly enjoyable visitor experience because they avoid the easy trap of laying out the exhibit as row after row of identical boxes. Instead, you can watch diving beetles through a magnifying glass, or observe ants with no barrier, or even step into a walkthrough with spiders, with a small coral reef to top it off. I’m not really interested in invertebrates either, but even I find much joy in this exhibit. It leads me onto a ‘hot take’ of my own (although I suspect many members here share it) - that any animal, or any exhibit ‘genre’ can be made interesting if the display is made engaging, rather than repetitive.
 
Why do you think this?
Hi @Rohin! Maybe it sounded a bit harsh. Let's just say I prefer that the spaces would be used for other animals. I've never had an interest on insects and normally on my zoo visits I won't pass by unless I'm told that it's a must-see exhibit. @Kalaw has made incredible points on how usefull they can be and I know a lot of people that love insects, but I much prefer reptiles/amphibians.
 
Hi @Rohin! Maybe it sounded a bit harsh. Let's just say I prefer that the spaces would be used for other animals. I've never had an interest on insects and normally on my zoo visits I won't pass by unless I'm told that it's a must-see exhibit. @Kalaw has made incredible points on how usefull they can be and I know a lot of people that love insects, but I much prefer reptiles/amphibians.
Not to mention the incredible biodiversity of insects in the world, as well as their importance to greater ecosystems (e.g. pollinators, decomposers, etc.) They aren't a waste of space in the slightest - if anything, a lot of major zoos don't display nearly enough insects, or just display a small amount.
 
Not to mention the incredible biodiversity of insects in the world, as well as their importance to greater ecosystems (e.g. pollinators, decomposers, etc.) They aren't a waste of space in the slightest - if anything, a lot of major zoos don't display nearly enough insects, or just display a small amount.
I see the positives, but being afraid of some insects is has affected a little bit my opinion:p.
 
Surely you're afraid of big cats and bears too? Does that affect your opinion on them being displayed?
One should be afraid of a lot fo animals and isn't. I have phobia for aracnids and cockroaches and even if I say to myself that they're on a glass box, I can't get over it. But truth be said, when you've seen big cats play with toys like house cats it's difficult to see them as vicious killers!
 
I think that North America zoos should consider the idea of bringing wisents to the continent. While I understand that they’re very similar to NA bisons, I still think it would be neat for a NA zoo to house the species.
I agree and I’d also like to add the Asiatic Lion. But, in the past, it’s been a struggle to have two of such similar species if I’m correct.
 
I think that North America zoos should consider the idea of bringing wisents to the continent. While I understand that they’re very similar to NA bisons, I still think it would be neat for a NA zoo to house the species.
Wisents were previously held including at Brookfield and San Diego. I'm not sure if they were phased out intentionally or struggled, but it makes me assume there is some reason why they are no longer present.

I agree and I’d also like to add the Asiatic Lion. But, in the past, it’s been a struggle to have two of such similar species if I’m correct.
Asiatic lions previously had a breeding program here but it was found the original import from India was impure and hybridized. When Europe restarted their program, there was talk the United States would join at a later time, but in the meantime pure African lions have become standard. I'd love to see the Asiatic subspecies return but I'm sadly skeptical.
 
Wisents were previously held including at Brookfield and San Diego. I'm not sure if they were phased out intentionally or struggled, but it makes me assume there is some reason why they are no longer present.


Asiatic lions previously had a breeding program here but it was found the original import from India was impure and hybridized. When Europe restarted their program, there was talk the United States would join at a later time, but in the meantime pure African lions have become standard. I'd love to see the Asiatic subspecies return but I'm sadly skeptical.
I'd see further justification starting an Asian lion SSP (or a global consortium) than importing wisent. Wisent are cool and all, but A, American bison are a much more relevant conservation story (within the US, as someone who has seen a Rewilding Europe site in the Eastern Rhodopes firsthand and how valuable wisent are as keystone species) and B, they'll just be waived off as another bison - not that much interest.

Asian lions would actually be good for zoos that don't have "African" sections where they'd put lions (Philadelphia's Big Cat Falls, or Saint Louis' Big Cat Country) and could even make some fantastic standalone Indian sections if Land of the Lions at London's anything to go by!
 
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Wisents were previously held including at Brookfield and San Diego. I'm not sure if they were phased out intentionally or struggled, but it makes me assume there is some reason why they are no longer present.

Apparently, they never bred very well in zoos here.

According to the website of the Canadian hunting ranch that has the last Wisent herd in North America, anyway. Hybrid European Bison (Wisent)

See the posts that I made on this thread for more information on the history of the Wisent in North America. European Bison news
 
Wisents were previously held including at Brookfield and San Diego. I'm not sure if they were phased out intentionally or struggled, but it makes me assume there is some reason why they are no longer present.
Wisents were also held at the now-defunct Alberta Game Farm. That place had several exceptional species, such as Saiga and Hartebeest, both of which are also now gone from North American Zoos completely!
 
Apparently, they never bred very well in zoos here.

According to the website of the Canadian hunting ranch that has the last Wisent herd in North America, anyway. Hybrid European Bison (Wisent)

See the posts that I made on this thread for more information on the history of the Wisent in North America. European Bison news
I'm familiar with the thread and appreciate your past research into the subject; while the link does provide some insight regarding that they "reproduce very slowly, and have a high death rate of offspring [...] compounded even further with such a small genetic diversity to work with" but the data is very incomplete, as the captive breeding program predates the import he refers to. Brookfield received an AZA award for breeding wisent in the 1980s, so I'm still very curious if they were phased out deliberately by the AZA or unable to be saved.

Wisents were also held at the now-defunct Alberta Game Farm. That place had several exceptional species, such as Saiga and Hartebeest, both of which are also now gone from North American Zoos completely!
Such a huge shame. If the facility remained in operation, who knows what programs it might have been able to support...
 
Hot take: sirenians usualy don't get very good exhibits. I've been only to 4 places with these animals and only Columbus zoo has a good habitat in my opinion. Now, before you jump at me, I know that they're slow moving animals and that it's not a requirement for them to have a big space, but i would still love to see bigger enclosures. Dugongs seems to receive the same treatment, but I haven't been to any of the facilites so can't be sure with that one.
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Then you might want to visit others, like Arnhem, Odense, Duisburg, Nuremberg...
Yes there's a lot of good exhibits in europe, but when you see the rest of the exhibits that you haven't mentioned few stand out (river wonders in my opinion).
 
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