Zoo orangutans are important ambassadors

I'm told that experts can tell the difference between the two, but it takes DNA testing to really differentiate the orangutans who were born in captivity. Most of the books I've read talk about differences in hair color, type of beard, and cheek pad differences between the males. Our hybrids are healthy and delightful. Lucy is going strong at 36 years old, Bonnie will be 32 in December, so it doesn't appear to affect their health -- at least, not yet.

Its not about health problems, its about keeping pure animals that if in the worst case could be re-introduced if the species was wiped out. I argee we should be slowely phasing the hybrids out but only if the two sperate species will be able to survive in zoos (e.g. there is sufficient numbers).
 
It is certainly apparent at Chester new enclosure, when it was first open. The Sumatrans would be playing and climbing and not still for long periods. Then you would walk around towards the Borneans and all you would see was a sack or a ball of orange fur. Which would stay like that for hours on end!

Ah, but those Borneans are doing a lot of thinking and I wish zoos would give them more to think about. I'm with dawnaforsythe, any orangutan does it for me! When you look into their eyes you can feel a powerful personality that resembles our own, both emotionally and mentally, to quote someone who's name I'm afraid I've forgotten.
 
Differences between Bornean and Sumatran orangutans.

I've listed them before but here they are again. It is quite a complicated area and not all animals, despite being purebred, show all or the same typical characteristics which is where DNA testing is sometimes needed.

Sumatrans; slimmer build, lighter ginger or 'butterscotch' coat colour, well deveoped yellow or white beard, tiny tufts of hairs cover naked parts of face and cheek pads of males. Males have flat, diamond-shaped pads. Coat texture more 'fleece-like' Both sexes much more agile and active than Bornean. Some males walk bipedally(upright) and both sexes freely brachiate/swing. Males more tolerant of group situations and rarely aggressive to young. Males reach full maturity(aquire pads etc) later than Bornean, often not till 18 years old.

Borneans; darker bluish skin, thinner, maroon-coloured coat, smoother not fuzzy hair. Orange beard, much less developed than S. Naked parts of face not wellhaired, adult male cheek pads covered in bare 'goosepimples' with no hair, pads rounded or oblong and often hang forward like blinkers. Both sexes heavier bodied and rather less active than S, and in captivity seem to acquire fat more easily, especially around head and gular/throat sac.. Males rarely able to walk bipedally. Adults generally less active climbers in captivity. Adult males more antisocial and may be aggressive to young.

I think there are differences in the arrangement/presence of the big toe/and nails, also the dimensions of the face/eyes/muzzle relative to each other. Bornean has more of an 'hour glass' shaped face.

Areas of confusion; occasional Bornean females may be almost as light- coloured as Sumatrans (e.g. Lola who was at Chester). Sumatrans also appear to have two different 'phases' a smaller dark one and a larger light one.(but both recognisably different from Bornean) while nowadays several different races/subspecies of Bornean are recognised.

Hybrids; may exhibit characteristics of both parents in any combination e.g. dark coat, light beard, or may resemble one purebred parent more closely. 'Rajang' at the Colchester Zoo is a good example of a 'typical' hybrid adult male with characteristics of both species.

Hybrids show no ill effects from being the product of the two different species. They are fertile and can, by breeding with a purebred individual, also produce other hybrids which have greater percentages of one or other species e.g. 3/4 or 7/8ths Sumatran or Bornean. There is a Moratorium on breeding from hybrid Orangutans in Zoos and they will gradually disappear from the captive population as they begin to die out..
 
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This is a very interesting thread, I enjoy the Orang group in Toronto where they have Sumatrans. Thanks for telling us the differences between the species, Pertinax!
 
Great job pertinax. One day I'd love to go to an orang-uatn sanctuary, if not love to go back to singapore zoo!
 
This is a very interesting thread, I enjoy the Orang group in Toronto where they have Sumatrans. Thanks for telling us the differences between the species, Pertinax!

Some characteristics are quite distinct e.g. the difference in the facial pads and beards of males. Others like the type of coat (e.g. fuzzy,smooth, colour) particularly in females and juveniles aren't quite such clear markers. It seems both species have more than one 'type.'
 
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