Zooboy28 in America

Thanks Snowleopard.

Its great to hear that there are at least 5 African Elephant exhibits in the US that surpass the Safari Park's, although also interesting that they are all in the south-east US, which certainly has the better climate for elephants (compared with the northern US).

There were a lot of flamingos, and I think more than one flock in the lagoon/s near the Colobus (also visible from Tram). But I didn't count them all :D

Checking the timestamps on my photos, the tram tour was indeed exactly 30 minutes long, although it didn't feel too short or rushed (not that longer wouldn't have been better). I presume they cut some exhibits out of the tour when they reduced its length?

The Mule Deer was surprising, it was eating from the Rhino's trough (photo below), and although I didn't know what it was at first, the driver later clarified that it was a wild deer. Makes you wonder how secure the Park's enclosures are to a certain degree, although I can't imagine there is any harm in them being in with the Rhino. Its certainly a much larger intruder than the typical wild squirrels and rabbits seen in zoo enclosures though!

You would be surprised what deer can get into. I know of some that like to steal from horses, there is literally no way to keep them out unless you want to build a very high fence and even then it is iffy. Trust me, I know, it isn't worth it. The one thing that I find to really be effective is saving dog hair when it sheds and leaving all over wherever you don't want them and also growing members of the allium family in that area, neither of which are probably feasible there. Also, a dedicated guard dog (not all guard dogs are dedicated) might help, but somehow I don't think a rhino enclosure would be a good place for a dog.
 
Our last day in San Diego, and we spent it rounding out the city’s zoological trifecta – SeaWorld San Diego. This is the original SeaWorld, opened in 1964, thus our visit coincided with the park’s 50th birthday celebrations (and lots of great history signs around the park). SeaWorld is easily reached via public transport (light rail and then bus) and we arrived before the opening at 10am. As we had our combo tickets, which also covered the Zoo and Safari Park, we got straight in, although first had our fingerprints taken to ensure our tickets were legit. Although we were “in”, we were technically in a holding area, with just a few exhibits, as it was not yet quite 10am. This brand new entrance plaza, Explorer’s Reef, featured a large touch pool exhibit, which was quite impressive, although heavily themed (and thankfully heavily staffed). As we wanted to do all the exhibits and a few rides, we headed right, where we waited for opening near a small, extremely artificial lagoon for Caribbean Flamingos.

SeaWorld has many old traditions that are considered outdated and inappropriate by many people. Performing dolphins and orcas chief among them. However, the first such tradition that I experienced was not really animal-related, although I’m sure I could find someone who thought it would constitute noise pollution, if not outright animal cruelty. Anyway, before the park proper opened at 10am, the American national anthem was blared at us, and most people (well, the Americans) stood hand on heart for a couple of minutes (gosh it was serious!), while I gaped, giggled, and tried to focus on the Flamingos. And good thing too, as I spotted a wild rabbit, I think a Desert Cottontail, in there with them.

As well as the animal exhibits, there are many rides at SeaWorld, most of which are very “family-friendly”, but some are still worth going on, and that’s what we spent most of the morning doing. Journey to Atlantis was the first ride, standard log-flume thing, with a large tank for a variety of sea life, notably Cownose Rays. On the other side of SeaWorld was Manta, a relatively new roller coaster that also featured a large tank, this one with Bat Rays as the draw card species. This was a decent ride, but nothing too extreme, and with nice views over another Caribbean Flamingo exhibit, this one much larger. The final ride we did was Shipwreck Rapid, which was a floating raft-type ride, in which riders get quite wet. Good fun! Part of the ride set-up was a small pool for Green, Hawksbill & Loggerhead Sea Turtles.

Spread around SeaWorld are a few aquariums, one of which, Aquaria, I somehow missed. The Freshwater Aquarium was quite good, nice range of fishes, frogs and turtles, although it was small and very busy. The final aquarium included Turtle Reef and Shark Encounter, both of which featured large tanks with a great range of species, although the heavy theming wasn’t particularly appealing. Heavy theming was abundant throughout the Park, and in a few places it worked well, by highlighting the animals and their environment, but in most it was like SeaLife on steroids.

Birds form a surprisingly large part of SeaWorld’s collection. Apart from the two flamingo lagoons, there are also a number of small aviaries dotted around the park, quite old looking cages really, and often too small, but definitely well-vegetated. I think I missed a few of these, but generally they held fairly common tropical species, although one new species was Black Vulture, held in tiny cages quite far from the public paths. As well as these aviaries. there was also the Penguin House, which was my favourite exhibit at SeaWorld, and I suspect holds the most diverse penguin collection on the planet – six species, of which three were new. Five species (Emperor, King, Gentoo, Adelie, Macaroni) were held in an indoor, chilled exhibit, which was very long and impressive. Adjacent to this was an Alcid exhibit, much smaller but still a good size, featuring Common Murre, Tufted and Atlantic Puffins. Outside was a spacious enclosure for the Magellanic Penguin colony, which was a very good exhibit. For some reason I hadn’t realised Magellanic Penguins were a different species to Humboldt’s, so this was actually the first time I really saw them!

Obviously marine mammals are the stars of SeaWorld. Next to the Penguin House is another indoor exhibit, Wild Arctic, which featured a motion simulator ride at entry. The building housed three enclosures, only one of which was really big enough for its inhabitants, Pacific Walrus. The other two held Beluga and Polar Bears (although the latter were away on breeding loan). These two exhibits were way too small, and need urgent replacement. I’d like to see the bears leave and the Beluga space greatly increased. Nearby is another mammal house, Animal Connections, which holds a variety of small mammals, including Two-toed Sloth, Six-banded Armadillo, African Porcupine and American Beaver, all of which are in fairly small, glass-fronted enclosures. Surprisingly, they were all super active and showy, which are certainly not traits these species are known for.

There were then three outdoor marine mammal exhibit complexes, the first being Pacific Point. Half of this was under renovation, while the other half had a large group of California Sea Lions and a number of wild Egrets. This was a decent exhibit, but could have been somewhat larger. The second was Dolphin Point, a similarly themed complex, with lots of mock rock and several lagoons for a pod of Bottlenose Dolphins, including some young animals. There were some low underwater viewing windows, perhaps a metre high, which gave the impression that the whole complex was very shallow, but I don’t know how accurate that was. Adjacent was Otter Outlook, a small exhibit for Sea Otters that was quite similar to that at Vancouver Aquarium. We also saw Bottlenose Dolphins perform in the Blue Horizons show in the Dolphin Stadium, which was a ridiculous show, but the animals were impressive. As well as the dolphins there were also three Short-finned Pilot Whales, which were the most exciting mammal seen that day. It would have been great to see them up close though.

The final exhibit was for SeaWorld’s superstars, the Orcas. I had never seen captive Orcas before, but had seen them in the wild. But they were amazing to see underwater, so big and fast and intelligent looking. The display tank was very functional compared with the other marine mammal exhibits, no mock rock, and it was big, but I’d love to see how it looks once redeveloped to be much larger. The show itself, One Ocean, takes place in Shamu Stadium, and is superficial “conservation” drivel, but the Orcas are just awe-inspiring. Massive and powerful. Definitely worth seeing. Even if we did have to endure the anthem again, and clap for the veterans. I don’t have a problem with cetaceans in captivity (with many caveats), and SeaWorld didn’t change my stance. I think shows are important and really do benefit the animals as well as the public. That said, a slightly more intelligent show would have been better.

So that was SeaWorld. And here’s my wrap up. It’s a big park, with a lot of under used space, but a great collection of aquatic life. The exhibits are generally too small and often tacky, with little effort put into naturalistic theming (Magellanic Penguins being the best exception). The number of people there was extreme, and I was not a fan of how busy it got. I also realised that I dislike exhibits that you can walk all the way around the outside of. Overall, I liked SeaWorld, but it needs a lot of work in order to satisfy animal welfare concerns. Given the cash they have, this shouldn’t be a problem, and I look forward to visiting in the future to see what improvements have been made.

New Species:
Texas Map Turtle, Black Vulture, Emperor Penguin, Adelie Penguin, Magellanic Penguin, Pacific Short-finned Pilot Whale.

San Diego is a military town, and thus there are a lot of military, formerly in the military, have family in the military, etc. which may explain why everyone had their hats off and the like. That might explain a lot of that. I'm not saying I think its cool (in fact I rather dislike it) I'm just explaining it. If it matters I think that clapping for veterans is nutty to say the least, and that we need to gain perspective about them rather than putting them on a pedestal. P.S., I hated the Iraq war, the idea of clapping for any Iraq war veteran is incredibly repulsive to me and I don't mind saying it.

Anyway, on to the main purpose of this post. You got to go to SeaWorld? Lucky. I wish I could go. Thanks for giving us such a detailed description so that I could live vicariously through you:). I will hopefully get to Florida some time in the next few years to get a look at SeaWorld Orlando (this will be part of a larger trip to see the Everglades and maybe some of the Keys, also the Bahamas aren't being ruled out.)
 
You would be surprised what deer can get into. I know of some that like to steal from horses, there is literally no way to keep them out unless you want to build a very high fence and even then it is iffy. Trust me, I know, it isn't worth it. The one thing that I find to really be effective is saving dog hair when it sheds and leaving all over wherever you don't want them and also growing members of the allium family in that area, neither of which are probably feasible there. Also, a dedicated guard dog (not all guard dogs are dedicated) might help, but somehow I don't think a rhino enclosure would be a good place for a dog.

Yes, I know deer are surprisingly good at getting into and out of secure places. But they're probably not doing any harm to the Rhino, so I don't think its a problem. And its great for visitors to see the local wildlife too.

San Diego is a military town, and thus there are a lot of military, formerly in the military, have family in the military, etc. which may explain why everyone had their hats off and the like. That might explain a lot of that. I'm not saying I think its cool (in fact I rather dislike it) I'm just explaining it. If it matters I think that clapping for veterans is nutty to say the least, and that we need to gain perspective about them rather than putting them on a pedestal. P.S., I hated the Iraq war, the idea of clapping for any Iraq war veteran is incredibly repulsive to me and I don't mind saying it.

Anyway, on to the main purpose of this post. You got to go to SeaWorld? Lucky. I wish I could go. Thanks for giving us such a detailed description so that I could live vicariously through you:). I will hopefully get to Florida some time in the next few years to get a look at SeaWorld Orlando (this will be part of a larger trip to see the Everglades and maybe some of the Keys, also the Bahamas aren't being ruled out.)

Ah right, I didn't think of the military city connection. I wonder if they do the same thing at the other SeaWorlds?

You should definitely check out SeaWorld Orlando if you get a chance, and it would be great to see some of the local landscapes and wildlife of Florida too (and the Bahamas!) :cool:
 
Day Twenty – Part Two

After we left SeaWorld, we grabbed our luggage and took a train to the bus station, which was shambolic and operated by people who didn’t seem to understand how buses or tickets worked. But eventually we forced ourselves onto the bus, which headed north for several hours to California’s biggest city – Los Angeles. Specifically some dingy part that was half residential, half industrial, and wholly run down and awful. And dark, because it was about 8pm. I’m not exactly sure where it was to be honest. We did manage to get a taxi to our hotel though, the Hollywood City Inn, in East Hollywood. This was only the second hotel we stayed at on our trip, and was very basic and rather dated. But it was cheap, nice enough, and in a good location for exploring, being close to an underground rail station. And so it was from there that we explored our final stop on our American tour, the City of Angels.
 
Day Twenty-One

First day in LA, and the sun was definitely shining! My partner was a bit over zoos, so went to the Warner Bros. Studio Tour instead, and raved about it afterwards. I, on the other hand, was not quite over zoos, and so went to the final zoo of the trip. I was running a bit late, so ended up taking a taxi rather than public transport to the Los Angeles Zoo. On arrival, I loitered outside the gates, applying liberal amounts of sun block, while I waited for the man in the giraffe t-shirt. Who arrived in due course, and graciously got me in to the Zoo for free. This was, of course, David Brown, only the second ZooChatter I had met and the first (and so far only) one I have toured a zoo with. It’s quite weird meeting a random internet person in real life, but it went very well, and I’m glad I took the opportunity.

LA Zoo is quite odd in many ways. Firstly, it’s surprisingly young, opening in 1966, although it had operated at a different site within Griffith Park since 1912. The Zoo retains much of its 60s design, with a number of recent developments that have been built since the late 90s, following a period of stagnation. This rejuvenation has been rather piecemeal (and some of the new exhibits are so poor that it’s hard to imagine that they are improvements), although it does appear to be transforming into a biogeographically themed zoo. The site itself is also very awkward, with a narrow ridge leading up from the entrance into the heart of the zoo, which has paths going all over the place. The entrance itself is a huge monstrosity, reminiscent of prison gates. Beyond that lie Sea Life Cliffs, a fairly standard pinniped complex with underwater viewing for Harbour and Grey Seals. The path continues up the ridge, passing a series of stand-alone exhibits for American Alligator, Chilean Flamingos, Black-necked Swans and Meerkats, which are all fairly average, and not particularly memorable. At the top of the entrance path however, is one of LA Zoo’s very best features.

LAIR (Living Amphibians, Invertebrates & Reptiles) is a very modern reptile house, which must have cost a bomb, but is simply brilliant. The first building holds a fairly generic collection representing global biomes, with a few choice species, including Guatemalan Palm Viper, Mexican Leaf Frog and Chinese Giant Salamander. The first part of the building was a twisting corridor of mock rock to the ceiling, with terrariums in the rock, while the second part was a large, airy room, with floor-to-ceiling glassed enclosures. This was very impressive, and a great way of displaying the reptiles. Outside were aviary-style cages for tropical tortoises, and open, rock-walled yards for Californian reptiles, which were also very well done. A second building housed further local species, again in excellent, large and well-furnished enclosures. The final exhibit, back outside, was a large pond for False Gharial. Overall, I saw 51 reptile and amphibian species displayed here, as well as numerous fish and inverts, and it was probably the best reptile house I have ever seen.

Nearby was another new complex, although this one had only just opened, and rather than being world-class was instead quite disappointing. Rainforest of the Americas was a short trail along a hillside, featuring tropical South American species in an apocalyptic wasteland. At least I think that was the theme... The first two exhibits were the best however, a large Giant Otter enclosure with underwater viewing (the front of which was actually a separate tank for Piranhas!), and a tall adjacent aviary for Harpy Eagles. A barren concrete yard held Baird’s Tapir, with a vegetated outcrop in the centre for Cotton-top Tamarins. Two meshed cages contained Black Howler Monkey and Red Uakari, one of the most exciting species at the zoo, albeit set very far back from the path. The complex was rounded out by a pair of aviaries and a series of terrariums with what appeared to be one-way glass that had been installed backwards. A Jaguar exhibit has since been added, which also appears to represent a tree-less jungle. So not the best South American tropical exhibit, but hopefully with time, more vegetation and improvements especially for the Tapirs, this could be a reasonable one.

As David had to leave soon, and we had taken quite a while to get to this point as we had spent so much time talking, we decided to finish our joint tour with the nearby set of South American exhibits. This area is still very 60s, with a series of yards and roundhouses. Roundhouses are an interesting concept, and one that works well for certain species, including birds and small primates. They are essentially donut-shaped mesh cages, viewed from the centre, via a small entry-way, and divided into two to five enclosures. They varied a bit in size, and in this area housed a range of species from Jaguars to Spider Monkeys to King Vultures (i.e. species that were too big for them). There were also a range of other primates and birds, as well as yards for Maned Wolves and the Zoo’s other star attraction for ZooChatters – Mountain Tapir (a beautiful species that was definitely a trip highlight!). Like the rest of the “old” zoo, these exhibits were tired and dated, although many were a good size and well-furnished.

David Brown then departed, and I was left to my own devices. It was great to talk to a ZooChatter, and see his local zoo from his perspective, while getting tonnes of information about the Zoo’s history and future. Thanks David! The next exhibit I came too was a long, narrow, lush yard, holding Sarus Cranes and Chinese Water Deer, and marked the start of what I’m calling the Asian part of the zoo. This exhibit had views through to the massive paddock behind it, which held the Zoo’s Asian Elephants. This is a relatively new exhibit, Elephants of Asia, which looks really good, although I didn’t see many elephants in it. On the far side of the elephant complex was Red Ape Rainforest, another new complex, housing Bornean Orang-utans in large, netted enclosures.

Back by the Cranes, the path then led up to another set of old exhibits, mostly open yards with abundant mock rock, holding Tigers, American Black Bear, Common Hippo and Indian Rhino. Behind these were a set of old, but superb, hillside paddocks, for Tufted Deer, Calamian Hog Deer, Chinese Goral and Japanese Serow. Further exhibits in this Asian area included a concrete yard for Tadjik Markhor, a paddock for Sichuan Takin, and a large aviary for Francois’ Langurs, Reeves’ Muntjac and Lady Amherst Pheasant. The final exhibits were a trio of Roundhouses for Siamangs, Moustached Guenons and Stellar’s and African Fish Eagles. Most of the exhibits here, at least the yards and roundhouses, are not fit for purpose and require urgent renovation.

The next part of the Zoo housed most of the African collection, starting with the Chimpanzees of the Mahale Mountains complex, which was split into two parts. The first was a rock-walled naturalistic yard, and the second a functional cage. Both were very large, and I’d be interested to know which the chimps prefer (certainly the yard looks much better). The path led past an average yard for a herd of Masai Giraffes, and a tiny yard for African Lions. I think this is the single worst enclosure at the zoo, and I hope this appalling exhibit is rebuilt very soon. A yard nearby, beautifully shaded and vegetated, held Okapi. This part of the zoo was full of fairly mature trees, and quite shady and peaceful. A series of Roundhouses ahead held a variety of primates, including Gibbons, Mandrills, Colobus, Mangebeys and Lemurs (notably Coquerel’s Sifaka), as well as Serval and Fossa. Behind these were the last row of hillside paddocks, holding Black Duiker, Lesser Kudu, Steenbok, Ostrich and Red River Hog. Finally, the path led downhill, passing yards for Gerenuk, Nubian Ibex, Bongo and Yellow-backed Duiker before arriving at Campo Gorilla Reserve. This was similar to every other Gorilla exhibit, and featured gorillas sitting in the shade against rock walls while the expansive grassed enclosure sat empty in the sun.

The next corner of the Zoo was a small loop that I shall call North America, which featured a series of yards, some quite reasonable, and a couple of roundhouses, and a random assortment of species. This seems to be a rather “forgotten corner”, where the leftover species are held in fairly old exhibits. Hoofstock were well-represented here, with Grevy’s Zebra, Peninsular Pronghorn, Desert Bighorn Sheep, Lowland Anoa, Babirusa, Speke’s Gazelle and Chacoan Peccary displayed, generally quite well. The Roundhouses held Bat-eared Fox, North American River Otter, Cape Rock Hyrax and a variety of birds, while a final yard held African Wild Dogs. It’d be great to see this area redeveloped with a focus on local species, say coyote and bear, with a number of birds also incorporated.

The three last areas of the Zoo are the Australasian complex, the “Aviary”, and the Children’s Zoo. Australasia actually is quite good species-wise, with fairly run-down looking outdoor exhibits for Koala, Tammar Wallaby, Western Grey Kangaroo, Short-beaked Echidna, Yellow-footed Rock Wallaby, Southern Cassowary and Visayan Warty Pig. A Roundhouse holds Komodo Dragons, which are always worth seeing. The Aviary is a large walkthrough exhibit, lushly planted, with a confusing layout that follows paths to several dead ends and through multiple aviaries (I think). And, for some reason, there were hardly any birds! I saw just three species (Greater Flamingo, Crowned Crane, Nicobar Pigeon), and signs for just a half dozen or so more. Very disappointing. Also my camera died here. So I really dislike this aviary. I don’t know why it died, it’d been playing up for a couple of days, but here was where it gave up the ghost. At least it lasted almost to the end of the trip and to almost the end of the last zoo. RIP Camera. :(

After the final aviary door clanged shut, I headed back down to the entrance, where the Children’s Zoo was located. Most Children’s Zoos are avoided by ZooChatters, but this was worth a visit, as it contained a variety of interesting species and only a small domestic section. The first part was the Animal Health Centre, essentially a small mammal house, with exhibits for Harris’ Antelope Ground Squirrel, Prevost’s Squirrel, Greater Malayan Chevrotain, Panay Cloud Rat & Red-rumped Agouti. A yard outside functioned as a nursery, and held several young Gerenuk. The second section was Desert Trails, the start of which was a cave with several terrariums, including for an unseen Elephant Shrew. Outside were exhibits for Prairie Dogs, Ocelot and birds. Finally, there was Muriel’s Ranch, possibly the most amusingly named domestic animal exhibit in the world.

So, overall Los Angeles Zoo is a very large zoo, with a very impressive mammal collection (especially hoofstock and primates), a stunning herp exhibit, and a rather minimal set of birds. The newer exhibits in the Zoo are generally of a very high standard, and many of the older/original exhibits are absolutely perfect for their inhabitants. The rejuvenation of the zoo appears to be happening in a very piecemeal manner, with several species (apes, elephants) already upgraded. The upgrades appear to be locating species in geographically themed areas, which will hopefully result in a much more cohesive collection in the future. Immediate priorities for upgrades should include the lions, tigers, bears, hippo and rhino, which are all very poorly housed. Hopefully the improvements keep coming, as I really did like LA Zoo. Thanks again David!

Total Species:
Amphibians: 7 (2 new)
Reptiles: 51 (8 new)
Birds: 33 (3 new)
Mammals: 77 (5 new)
Total: 168 (18 new)

New Species:
Couch’s Spadefoot Toad, Mexican Leaf Frog, South American Slider, Mossy Leaf-tailed Gecko, Guatemalan Palm Viper, Black-tailed Horned Viper, Mexican West Coast Rattlesnake, Cottonmouth, San Esteban Island Chuckwalla, Spotted Chuckwalla, Blue-billed Curassow, White Ibis, Yellow-billed Magpie, Red Uakari, Crested Capuchin, Moustached Guenon, Mountain Tapir, Calamian Hog Deer.
 
zooboy28 said:
This was, of course, David Brown, only the second ZooChatter I had met and the first (and so far only) one I have toured a zoo with. It’s quite weird meeting a random internet person in real life, but it went very well, and I’m glad I took the opportunity.
it is weird. I am quite selective in who I meet because I don't like meeting strangers (I am naturally shy), although it helps having the exact same interests obviously. So I guess you could say I only meet the best Zoochatters.


I was looking just yesterday at what the LA Zoo keeps and apart for the mountain tapir, the eye-catching one for me was Congo peafowl. Did you see those?
 
it is weird. I am quite selective in who I meet because I don't like meeting strangers (I am naturally shy), although it helps having the exact same interests obviously. So I guess you could say I only meet the best Zoochatters.

I know right. :D I'm pretty shy too (think this may be a common ZooChat phenomenon), so its quite a big thing to meet a random. Obviously its fairly safe in a zoo environment. I won't say I only meet the best ZooChatters, as I have not met a couple of very highly-esteemed members when I could have, and I don't want to sound like a massive snob. :D But the ones I have met have been brilliant. :cool:

I was looking just yesterday at what the LA Zoo keeps and apart for the mountain tapir, the eye-catching one for me was Congo peafowl. Did you see those?

And Red Uakari! I think that and the Tapir were the highlight species. Congo Peafowl were kept in an aviary by themselves I think (one of the few non-Roundhouse aviaries) and were very showy judging by the photos. There was also a sign about them being flagship species. I didn't take much notice of them, as this was the fourth zoo I'd seen them at (London, Chester, and two days previously at the San Diego Zoo Safari Park). Are they particuarly rare in captivity?
 
I know right. :D I'm pretty shy too (think this may be a common ZooChat phenomenon), so its quite a big thing to meet a random. Obviously its fairly safe in a zoo environment. I won't say I only meet the best ZooChatters, as I have not met a couple of very highly-esteemed members when I could have, and I don't want to sound like a massive snob. :D But the ones I have met have been brilliant. :cool:
I think it is also the case that you're not meeting a total stranger, because everyone does that every day pretty much, but more that you're meeting a total stranger who you already know. That's a weird concept.

What would you have done if David had turned up in a tshirt with an tenrec on it, because his giraffe one was in the wash? You would have been looking around for the nearest policeman, saying "you're not David...." and he would have said "no, seriously, dude, I'm David! Do you want some free candy?"


zooboy28 said:
And Red Uakari! I think that and the Tapir were the highlight species. Congo Peafowl were kept in an aviary by themselves I think (one of the few non-Roundhouse aviaries) and were very showy judging by the photos. There was also a sign about them being flagship species. I didn't take much notice of them, as this was the fourth zoo I'd seen them at (London, Chester, and two days previously at the San Diego Zoo Safari Park). Are they particuarly rare in captivity?
uakari was another one, but (as was pointed out to me) the way it is exhibited makes it less noteworthy, if you see what I mean.

Congo peafowl are really rare in captivity (or at least they used to be... I assume they still are). They are one captive animal I would love to get to see one day.
 
I think it is also the case that you're not meeting a total stranger, because everyone does that every day pretty much, but more that you're meeting a total stranger who you already know. That's a weird concept.

What would you have done if David had turned up in a tshirt with an tenrec on it, because his giraffe one was in the wash? You would have been looking around for the nearest policeman, saying "you're not David...." and he would have said "no, seriously, dude, I'm David! Do you want some free candy?"

He did say he was going to wear a giraffe shirt, so a tenrec would have been super dodgy. Okapi might have been acceptable. And I rather suspect that DB probably has more than one giraffe shirt. :cool:

uakari was another one, but (as was pointed out to me) the way it is exhibited makes it less noteworthy, if you see what I mean.

Congo peafowl are really rare in captivity (or at least they used to be... I assume they still are). They are one captive animal I would love to get to see one day.

Uakari were displayed ridiculously, but very viewable through a camera zoom. It was such a shame to have such an amazing species so close yet so far away. Mountain Tapir, on the other hand, were given no such special treatment and were displayed with about as much fanfare as a domestic goat. I really like tapirs btw, and this was my fourth species, and second favourite after Malayan. :cool:

I had no idea Congo Peafowl were rare in captivity. Zootierliste notes 18 European holders. Sort of surprised that there are none at Jurong. I'm sure you'll see one if you ever get to Europe or North America.
 
He did say he was going to wear a giraffe shirt, so a tenrec would have been super dodgy. Okapi might have been acceptable. And I rather suspect that DB probably has more than one giraffe shirt. :cool:

I do indeed have more than one giraffe shirt. I would kill for a tenrec shirt. Okay, maybe not kill.
 
Uakari were displayed ridiculously, but very viewable through a camera zoom. It was such a shame to have such an amazing species so close yet so far away. Mountain Tapir, on the other hand, were given no such special treatment and were displayed with about as much fanfare as a domestic goat. I really like tapirs btw, and this was my fourth species, and second favourite after Malayan. :cool:

I had no idea Congo Peafowl were rare in captivity. Zootierliste notes 18 European holders. Sort of surprised that there are none at Jurong. I'm sure you'll see one if you ever get to Europe or North America.
do they have Malayans at LA or San Diego. You would have been able to see all four between those two zoos wouldn't you?

I think all the Congo peafowl are descended from the few pairs at Antwerp in the 1960s. I don't know how many there are today in zoos, but they must all be related.
 
do they have Malayans at LA or San Diego. You would have been able to see all four between those two zoos wouldn't you?

Funnily enough, while San Diego do have Malayans, neither have Brazilians, which appear to be surprisingly rare in North American zoos. So you can see three between the two zoos, but then you can also see three at say Berlin Zoo & Leipzig, albeit a different three.

I think all the Congo peafowl are descended from the few pairs at Antwerp in the 1960s. I don't know how many there are today in zoos, but they must all be related.

Interesting, impressive that they have lasted so long, wonder what the hatching/survival rate is like.
 
Funnily enough, while San Diego do have Malayans, neither have Brazilians, which appear to be surprisingly rare in North American zoos. So you can see three between the two zoos, but then you can also see three at say Berlin Zoo & Leipzig, albeit a different three.
that is odd, about the paucity of Brazilians in North America. I have seen Malayans and Brazilians lots of places, and Baird's in China. Of course no mountain tapirs yet.
 
I think all the Congo peafowl are descended from the few pairs at Antwerp in the 1960s. I don't know how many there are today in zoos, but they must all be related.
just been checking. There were just six founder birds at Antwerp and no more have come into the captive population. Looks like there are currently about 80 birds in Europe; don't know about America.
 
that is odd, about the paucity of Brazilians in North America. I have seen Malayans and Brazilians lots of places, and Baird's in China. Of course no mountain tapirs yet.

I believe Brazilians are being phased out of AZA zoos in North America. They're the only tapirs you'll see at non-accredited zoos though. Malayans and Baird's are the most common ones, and I'm pretty sure that only LA and Cheyenne Mountain have Mountain Tapirs. Of course, no Kabomani's Tapirs.
 
I believe Brazilians are being phased out of AZA zoos in North America. They're the only tapirs you'll see at non-accredited zoos though. Malayans and Baird's are the most common ones, and I'm pretty sure that only LA and Cheyenne Mountain have Mountain Tapirs. Of course, no Kabomani's Tapirs.

So there are still plenty of Brazilians around then? Is there any hope for the Mountain Tapirs? Have they bred in captivity?
 
So there are still plenty of Brazilians around then? Is there any hope for the Mountain Tapirs? Have they bred in captivity?

There have been many mountain tapirs born at the LA Zoo. The problem is that the captive gene pool has become inbred and attempts to bring in unrelated individuals apparently did not work.

Mountain tapirs have been scheduled for phase out from AZA zoos, but I'm not sure what the current thinking is on that. Maybe someone else here does?
 
So there are still plenty of Brazilians around then? Is there any hope for the Mountain Tapirs? Have they bred in captivity?

I wouldn't say that there are plenty of Brazilian Tapirs. The only AZA zoos I can think of that house them are Houston and Lion Country Safari. I know that the Metro Richmond and Southwick's Zoos have them, and LEO Conservation Center holds them as well. I honestly don't know about any others.
 
I wouldn't say that there are plenty of Brazilian Tapirs. The only AZA zoos I can think of that house them are Houston and Lion Country Safari. I know that the Metro Richmond and Southwick's Zoos have them, and LEO Conservation Center holds them as well. I honestly don't know about any others.

John Ball Zoo has one Brazilian tapir.
 
So I guess Europe will maintain Brazilians and North America the Baird's, with both having Malayans. This seems like a reasonable arrangement.
 
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