Short-Giraffe
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Nashville Zoo
74. Bontebok - Damaliscus pygargus
75. Eland - Taurotragus oryx
76. Short-tailed leaf-nosed bat - Carollia perspicillata
Zoochat Challenge North America 2025
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Nashville Zoo
74. Bontebok - Damaliscus pygargus
75. Eland - Taurotragus oryx
76. Short-tailed leaf-nosed bat - Carollia perspicillata
Bear Country USA (07/03/2025
89) North American Elk (Cervus elaphus)
90) Bighorn Sheep (Ovis canadensis)
91) Mouflon (Ovis gmelinii)
92) Mule Deer (Odocoileus hemionus)
93) Collared Peccary (Dicotyles Tajacu)
94) Pronghorn (Antilocapra americana)
95) Reindeer (Rangifer tarandus)
89) North American Elk (Cervus elaphus)
90) Bighorn Sheep (Ovis canadensis)
91) Mouflon (Ovis gmelinii)
92) Mule Deer (Odocoileus hemionus)
93) Collared Peccary (Dicotyles Tajacu)
94) Pronghorn (Antilocapra americana)
95) Reindeer (Rangifer tarandus)
94, as Reindeer is a domestic animal (which are never counted for these challenges).
Reindeer, also known as caribou, are large deer native to the Arctic, subarctic, and mountainous regions of North America, Europe, and Siberia. They are a vulnerable species with the scientific name Rangifer tarandus. Physical characteristics: Reindeer can weigh between 65–210 kg and grow to 1.6–2.1 m long. Both male and female reindeer have large, bony antlers that grow year-round.
I have to disagreeing this one.
Caribou and reindeer are the same species and share the same scientific name, Rangifer tarandus. Caribou are what the species is called in North America and reindeer are what they are called in Eurasia.
The name isn't the issue; to my knowledge nearly all Reindeer/Caribou in the US are domesticated, not true wild-derived. Same is also true of camels or yak; both have wild counterparts, but the ones in US zoos are not that. We don't count domestics for these challenges and this isn't the first time this game that I've discounted Rangifer tarandus for someone - so I'm just being consistent with the rules and my own interpretation of them.
Okay. I understand. Then Bison should not be included either, because technically most are hybrids. And you did mention hybrids are not included.
biggest_dreamer
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I can only imagine the "no hybrids" clause is meant to mean no explicit hybrids like ligers, wolfdogs, or mixed ruffed lemurs, rather than an entire species that contains small amounts of external DNA. Especially for a species as commonplace as bison, where basically everyone with more than a few visits under their belt is going to have it on their list, so nixing it halfway through the year isn't really going to level the playing field or anything and would just be added trouble for no discernable benefit.
Well, I wasn't saying nixing anything. Just making a point. I am a computer analyst by trade, and have studied several other disciplines over my 62 years. As I understand the naming processes, a true domestic animal would have its own scientific name, such as felis catis,
Sorry, just a friendly debate. But it sounds like that is not permitted.
That is my general interpretation, yes.
It is, of course, permitted... it just doesn't necessarily mean I will make any changes based on that
there is actually a case that could be made IMO that many or most Bison in US zoos are really a "domestic" form and so it might be inconsistent to count them and not Caribou - genetic makeup aside.My chief concern though is not changing rules or interpretations of them halfway through a game; at this point I've told multiple people we aren't counting Reindeer and I don't want there to be confusion by me reversing course. People have also potentially chosen to skip seeing Reindeer at zoos - or not bothered to record whether they saw them - because they assumed it was unnecessary for this game. Same as with coatis or hyraxes, two animals that I've conceded could have been eligible if I'd considered them sooner.
That is my general interpretation, yes.
No problem, like I said, just a little discussion. I will remove it from my list.
It's just a fun game with nothing really at stake.
Do you ever take suggestions for future list games?
It is, of course, permitted... it just doesn't necessarily mean I will make any changes based on that
My chief concern though is not changing rules or interpretations of them halfway through a game; at this point I've told multiple people we aren't counting Reindeer and I don't want there to be confusion by me reversing course. People have also potentially chosen to skip seeing Reindeer at zoos - or not bothered to record whether they saw them - because they assumed it was unnecessary for this game. Same as with coatis or hyraxes, two animals that I've conceded could have been eligible if I'd considered them sooner.
Reptile Gardens (07/04/2025)
95) Black-Tailed Prairie Dog (Cynomys ludovicianus)
95) Black-Tailed Prairie Dog (Cynomys ludovicianus)
Mary
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Numbers updated to reflect to removal of striped hyena.
Parc Safari (July 20, 2025)
115.) Scimitar-horned oryx (Oryx dammah)
116.) Plains zebra (Equus quagga)
117.) Addax (Addax nasomaculatus)
118.) Red kangaroo (Osphranter rufus)
119.) Persian onager (Equus hemionus)
120.) Fallow deer (Dama dama)
Fort Worth Zoo (07/06/2025)
96) Asian Elephant (Elephas maximus)
97) Bonobo (Pan paniscus)
98) Hippopotamus (Hippopotamus amphibius)
96) Asian Elephant (Elephas maximus)
97) Bonobo (Pan paniscus)
98) Hippopotamus (Hippopotamus amphibius)
Mary
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Zoo de Granby (July 28, 2025)
121.) Jamaican fruit bat (Artibeus jamaicensis)
122.) Eastern gray kangaroo (Macropus giganteus)
123.) Common marmoset (Callithrix jacchus)
124.) Japanese serow (Capricornis crispus) *I am unsure if we are including this species; they are solitary sometimes, but also gather in family groups pretty regularly. They exhibit both solitary and social behaviors. We are counting Chinese goral FWIW.
Two weekends ago, I visited the Greensboro Science Center again and managed to see their Golden Lion Tamarins, which I missed the first time around because they were off-exhibit. That takes care of everything Greensboro has that qualifies for this challenge, and this may be my last update for a while, at least until September when I plan on embarking on my pending Tennessee trip, unless I happen to chance upon a qualifying species in the meantime which I do not have (which I find highly unlikely).
Current Total - 77
Current Total - 77
- North Carolina Zoo (02/01/2025) - 20 (Total 20)
- African Savanna Elephant (Loxodonta africana)
- American Bison (Bison bison)
- Chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes)
- Common Vampire Bat (Desmodus rotundus)
- Dama Gazelle (Nanger dama)
- Fringe-eared Oryx (Oryx beisa)
- Giraffe (Giraffa camelopardalis)
- Grey Mouse Lemur (Microcebus murinus)
- Hamadryas Baboon (Papio hamadryas)
- Lion (Panthera leo)
- North American River Otter (Lontra canadensis)
- Plains Zebra (Equus quagga)
- Red River Hog (Potamochoerus porcus)
- Red Ruffed Lemur (Varecia rubra)
- Red Wolf (Canis rufus)
- Thomson's Gazelle (Eudorcas thomsonii)
- Wapiti (Cervus canadensis)
- Waterbuck (Kobus ellipsiprymnus)
- Western Lowland Gorilla (Gorilla gorilla)
- White Rhinoceros (Ceratotherium simum)
- Metro Richmond Zoo (03/29/2025) - 40 (Total 60)
- Addax (Addax nasomaculatus)
- Allen's Swamp Monkey (Allenopithecus nigroviridis)
- Asian Mouflon (Ovis gmelinii)*
- Black Mangabey (Lophocebus aterrimus)
- Black-and-gold Howler Monkey (Alouatta caraya)
- Black-and-white Ruffed Lemur (Varecia variegata)
- Black-tailed Prairie Dog (Cynomys ludovicianus)
- Blackbuck (Antilope cervicapra)
- Bongo (Tragelaphus eurycerus)
- Brown-headed Spider Monkey (Ateles fusciceps)
- Capybara (Hydrochoerus hydrochaeris)
- Celebes Crested Macaque (Macaca nigra)
- Central American Spider Monkey (Ateles geoffroyi)
- Colombian White-throated Capuchin (Cebus capucinus)
- Common Eland (Tragelaphus oryx)
- Common Squirrel Monkey (Saimiri sciureus)
- Common Warthog (Phacochoerus africanus)
- Coppery Titi (Plecturocebus cupreus)
- Cotton-headed Tamarin (Saguinus oedipus)
- De Brazza's Monkey (Cercopithecus neglectus)
- Diana guenon (Cercopithecus diana)
- European Fallow Deer (Dama dama)
- Gemsbok (Oryx gazella)
- Gray Wolf (Canis lupus)
- Greater Kudu (Tragelaphus strepsiceros)
- Himalayan Tahr (Hemitragus jemlahicus)
- Impala (Aepyceros melampus)
- Indian Flying-fox (Pteropus giganteus)
- Lesser Spot-nosed Monkey (Cercopithecus petaurista)
- Mantled Guereza (Colobus guereza)
- Markhor (Capra falconeri)
- Meerkat (Suricata suricatta)
- Nyala (Tragelaphus angasii)
- Red Kangaroo (Osphranter rufus)
- Red-chested Mustached Tamarin (Saguinus labiatus)
- Ring-tailed Lemur (Lemur catta)
- Scimitar-horned Oryx (Oryx dammah)
- Straw-coloured Fruit Bat (Eidolon helvum)
- Western Pygmy Marmoset (Cebuella pygmaea)
- White-faced Saki (Pithecia pithecia)
- Greensboro Science Center (04/18/2025) - 2 (Total 62)
- Asian Small-clawed Otter (Aonyx cinereus)
- Bolivian Gray Titi (Plecturocebus donacophilus)
- Broadway Zoological Park (05/17/2025) - 14 (Total 76)
- Aoudad (Ammotragus lervia)
- Brown Capuchin (Sapajus apella)
- Central American White-faced Capuchin (Cebus imitator)
- Common Brown Lemur (Eulemur fulvus)
- Common Marmoset (Callithrix jacchus)
- Egyptian Rousette (Rousettus aegyptiacus)
- Jamaican Fruit-eating Bat (Artibeus jamaicensis)
- Nilgai (Boselaphus tragocamelus)
- Patagonian Mara (Dolichotis patagonum)
- Patas Monkey (Erythrocebus patas)
- Prevost's Squirrel (Callosciurus prevostii)
- Red-necked Wallaby (Notamacropus rufogriseus)
- Variegated Squirrel (Sciurus variegatoides)
- Vervet Monkey (Chlorocebus pygerythrus)
- Greensboro Science Center (07/19/2025) - 1 (Total 77)
- Golden Lion Tamarin (Leontopithecus rosalia)
