ZooChat Challenge UK 2019

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Right then, this year's (2019's) challenge is large in scale but will hopefully again prove to be popular and inclusive -basically you can play, for fun, without really trying or if you're a competitive type go all-out to get a near-maximum score.

For the second year running I'm going with a pan-class challenge. This year's challenge (drum roll) is to see as many South American species as possible. It doesn't matter whether they're mammals, birds, herps, fish*(see below) or inverts they all count.

I've chosen this challenge as it will highlight some of the more obscure species as well as reinforce where certain species come from in people's minds (I sometimes get confused) -educational as well as entertaining. I've no idea what the maximum number of species is likely to be and I'm not sure it'd be possible to find out -hopefully this will keep the challenge ticking over nicely for the duration of the year ahead.

For this challenge, South America starts with Colombia and moves south and east (i.e. not including Central America).

Finally, to keep things straightforward, I'm allowing animals kept that may (have) come from outside South America to be included if they're native to South America -e.g. an Arizonan Jaguar would count (like you'll find any of those). This might be a little over-simplifying, and arguably wrong, but it side-steps potential squabbles about the purity of generic animals in zoos and remains true to the spirit of the challenge -to see animals native to South American.

*The only restriction I'm adding is that only the first twenty-five fish species count towards the total because:
  1. Otherwise it could distort the challenge (there's a lot of fish out there) and I'm sure players don't want to be trawling multiple Sealife centres and aquariums to win -that would be one seriously pyrrhic victory;

  2. It might give distorting advantage to those near a couple of large aquariums or near London Zoo's aquarium (which sadly may not be open all year which causes other potential disproportionate advantages to those living near).
Ready. Steady. Go (from 1/1/19). Enjoy!

Oh yeah, the small print -rules are as follows (basically same as always if you want to skip):


1. You have to actually see the animal, even if just for a second. You don't score if you visit a collection but don't see the animal (harsh, but fair);
2. Proof via photographs is not required, your word is your bond;
3. You have to see the animal via normal public access (i.e. not including zookeeper for the day or photography days behind the scenes) during normal public opening hours (i.e. no scoring because you know the keeper and can get access before/after hours). Basically the species has to be seen as Joe Public would;
4. Any severely limited opening or private collections (e.g. Heythrop, WHF, and any similar collections or refuges) don't count for this challenge. Controversial I know, but see previous point and I didn't think it fair to include a handful of days these collections might be open to the public as this might logistically disadvantage a large number of people;
5. Report/update your progress on this thread as you go along (let's say mandatory reporting from fifteen species and above);
6. The winner will be deemed to be the person(s) who's seen the most at 31st December 2019;
7. My (final) decision is final but I'm open to discussion and debate on any specific points.

As always, I'm keeping the challenge to a species level as I don't want to get bogged down in the quagmire of debating validity of sub-species and/or genetic purity of specific animals. Taxonomy is not the greatest strength of mine so I'll rely on others to challenge anyone trying to sneak sub-species in and, if necessary, I'll take appropriate counsel for assistance on any related debates. My decision on any of these squabbles is "final" (subject to better evidence being presented and new scientific findings).
 
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It could be argued that it is in Europe as it is owned by the UK, but I would count in geographically as South America.
 
As we are talking geographical terms rather than political terms, I would personally say that taxa native to these should be counted - similar to how no one would argue that the Aruba Island Rattlesnake was a European species, even though the island on which it lives is one of the four constituent countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

It's a pretty academic question however, as I am reasonably sure none of the Falkland endemic species are currently in captivity - certainly none of the very few endemic vertebrates are, other than the Falkland Steamer Duck which may still be extant in private hands.
 
Continuing my tradition of visiting Twycross Zoo on New Year's Day, I shall attempt to kick off my list for the year (with major apologies if I make any errors - do let me know and I shall correct as needed!)

Twycross Zoo 1.1.19
1. Vicuna
2. Lowland tapir
3. Variegated spider monkey
4. Pygmy marmoset
5. Black and gold howler monkey
6. Black headed spider monkey
7. Orange winged amazon
8. Scarlet ibis
9. Red legged seriema
10. Glossy ibis
11. Chilean flamingo
 
*The only restriction I'm adding is that only the first twenty-five fish species count towards the total because:
  1. Otherwise it could distort the challenge (there's a lot of fish out there) and I'm sure players don't want to be trawling multiple Sealife centres and aquariums to win -that would be one seriously pyrrhic victory;

  2. It might give distorting advantage to those near a couple of large aquariums or near London Zoo's aquarium (which sadly may not be open all year which causes other potential disproportionate advantages to those living near).

What about inverts - also subject to a limit or not?
 
What about inverts - also subject to a limit or not?

Though I'm glad inverts are in a challenge, I can see butterflies causing big issues. Other terrestrial inverts not so much, I can't think of more than 5 species on display in Bug World at Bristol for instance that would count.

What about marine species? How far out to sea would "South America" include?
 
What about inverts - also subject to a limit or not?

I did wrestle with this consideration and, concluded, that I didn't think it would distort things that much given, whilst there's various oddities out there I don't think many collections have massive caches and they're fairly spread around. Please counter me if I'm wrong.
 
Though I'm glad inverts are in a challenge, I can see butterflies causing big issues. Other terrestrial inverts not so much, I can't think of more than 5 species on display in Bug World at Bristol for instance that would count.

What about marine species? How far out to sea would "South America" include?

Good (i.e. difficult question). My thoughts were that butterflies wouldn't prove a problem as most are imported from farms in Asia and therefore I assumed most will be of Asian origin (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

Marine species, lets say coastal out to a five mile limit (given fish species are restricted to twenty five I can't see this having a significant bearing on someone's score).

Thinking about it again, re inverts they're probably not as potentially disruptive as they're reasonably spread about and, unlike fish, most can be seen in general zoos -keeping the challenge (out of Sealife centres and) fun.
 
Another question - do llamas and alpacas count for this list or is it only wild species we're counting?
 
Starting srong with a visit today - didn't manage to see everything and apologies for any errors I'm not great with birds.

South Lakes Safari zoo: 1/1/19

1) Andean Bear
2) Patagonian Mara
3) Black howler monkey
4) Green winged macaw
5) Scarlet macaw
6) Blue and gold macaw
7) Red shouldered macaw
8) Red fronted macaw
9) Mealy Amazon
10) Orange winged Amazon
11) Mitred Conure
12) Glossy Ibis
13) Scarlet Ibis
14) Roseate spoonbill
15) Giant Anteater
16) Capabara
17) Emperor Tamarin
18) Cotton topped Tamarri
19) Maned Wolf
20) Jaguar
21) Colombian Spider Money
22) Chilean Flamingo.
23) Andean Condor
24) King Vulture
25) Squirrel Monkey
26) Humboldt Penguin
 
Continuing my tradition of visiting Twycross Zoo on New Year's Day, I shall attempt to kick off my list for the year (with major apologies if I make any errors - do let me know and I shall correct as needed!)

Twycross Zoo 1.1.19
1. Vicuna
2. Lowland tapir
3. Variegated spider monkey
4. Pygmy marmoset
5. Black and gold howler monkey
6. Black headed spider monkey
7. Orange winged amazon
8. Scarlet ibis
9. Red legged seriema
10. Glossy ibis
11. Chilean flamingo
I am already displaying my ignorance, see.
12. Humboldt penguin
 
To kick off the New Year(though I don't think I have a prayer of making it 3 in a row!) :

Linton Zoo

1 Scarlet Macaw
2 Blue-throated Macaw
3 Blue & Gold Macaw
4 Blue fronted Amazon
5 Mealy Amazon
6 Yellow headed Amazon
7 Blue cheeked Amazon
8 Festive Amazon
9 Yellow shouldered Amazon
10 Red-lored Amazon
11 Pale-billed Aracari
12 Striated Caracara
13 Red-footed tortoise
14 Hercules beetle
15 Pink Zebra Beauty spider
16 Goliath bird eating spider
17 Azara's Agouti
18 Cotton-top tamarin
19 Brazilian Tapir
20 Six-banded Armadillo
 
Good (i.e. difficult question). My thoughts were that butterflies wouldn't prove a problem as most are imported from farms in Asia and therefore I assumed most will be of Asian origin (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

Marine species, lets say coastal out to a five mile limit (given fish species are restricted to twenty five I can't see this having a significant bearing on someone's score).

Thinking about it again, re inverts they're probably not as potentially disruptive as they're reasonably spread about and, unlike fish, most can be seen in general zoos -keeping the challenge (out of Sealife centres and) fun.

Sorry! Just making things difficult today.

I think a few butterfly houses / enclosures get their stock from Central America, BZG gets (most?) of their butterflies from Costa Rica, which although not South America does mean that many species will overlap with SA. Fortunately most are quite well known and will have their ranges well understood.

Thanks for the clarification, I'll start looking for corals!
 
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