...that almost makes me want to vote 2-1 Bronx!So let me preface by saying I am voting 2-1 for Omaha. But I wanna make a case for the Bronx Zoo to get a point.
The Bronx Zoo does lack a designated aquarium or aquatic section. It also lacks a display of saltwater fish. Yet the zoo has a nice variety of freshwater fish, and according to their 2016 annual report, 70 species on display. These exhibits are scattered around the zoo, so let me give you a run through.
Jungleworld has the largest aquatic exhibit in the zoo, the river for gharials which is also home to fly river turtle, tinfoil barb, giant gourami, among many other species. Also within Jungleworld are tanks for roti-island snake necked turtle/sailfin lizard, mudskipper/archerfish, and several more smaller tanks.
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Congo Gorilla Forest also has several fish tanks. I don’t really know much about fish, so I can’t really speak more into what species they hold.
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Besides these two exhibits: Madagascar also has 2 displays for endangered cichlids and the children's zoo has 2 aquatic tanks. But this category is not only about fish.
Looking at aquatic reptiles the Bronx Zoo preforms much better. One major thing that should be of note is the Bronx Zoos freshwater turtle collection. The zoo breeds and exhibits many endangered turtle species such as roti-island snake necked turtle, chinese yellow headed box turtle, sulawesi forest turtle, painted river terrapin, chinese big-headed turtle, mary river turtle among many others. For crocodilians the zoo has cuban crocodile, false gharial, gharial, american alligator, Chinese alligator, nile crocodile, and I believe african dwarf crocodile.
I don’t know if amphibians count for this challenge, but if so the Bronx Zoo has 40 species. Their key species is the kihansi-spray toad which prior to its extinction, existed in the wild at a single waterfall in Tanzania. The zoo is one of two zoos to breed the species and has begun reintroductions.
Well to start off talking about birds the zoo has an Aquatic Bird House. I know all inhabitants of this house will not count for this challenge, but the consistent theme throughout this house is the interactions of bird species with water. Some species in this house include little penguin, least tern, scarlet ibis, anhinga, storm’s stork, brown pelican, Peruvian pelican, roseate spoonbill, tufted puffin, and african spoonbill.
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Right outside this house are 3 exhibits for aquatic birds as well. A massive wetland aviary for the only breeding population of lesser adjutant stork in the country, an exhibit for american flamingos and lastly the SeaBird Aviary. This half-acre space is home to magellenic penguin, inca tern and several other species of bird.
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Other aquatic bird exhibits are spread around the zoo. These include exhibits for white-naped crane, red-crowned crane, chilean flamingo, barnacle goose, tundra swan, among other species. Lastly for aquatic mammals the Bronx Zoo has California Sea Lion and Small-Clawed Otter (2 exhibits).
So does the Bronx Zoo deserve to win this, no. It lacks a set fish display, has less fish species than Omaha, and has no saltwater displays. Yet the zoo still has plenty of aquatic exhibits (even a bird house themed around aquatic birds). So I am going 2-1 Omaha.
Yeah, this echoes my thoughts very well The Aquatic Bird House and excellent Sea Bird Aviary are what solidified my 2-1 vote.3-0 Omaha sounds excessive and a bit unfair to me considering Bronx has an entire building dedicated almost entirely to aquatic birds, has a massive seabird aviary, has extensive programs for various water loving mammals, birds, reptiles, and amphibians as well as a collection of endangered cichlids and other fishes from Madagascar, Asia, and Africa, and has unparalleled conservation efforts that includes aquatic programs all around the world. Omaha, however, has a decent aquarium so I will lean towards them here.
Yeah, this echoes my thoughts very well The Aquatic Bird House and excellent Sea Bird Aviary are what solidified my 2-1 vote.
Does anyone have photos of Omaha's Aquarium? This seems to be their main selling point.
Thanks, although just judging from the photos this looks pretty average (Pittsburgh Zoo's aquarium looks better from a "zoo-aquarium standpoint). If this is really Omaha's main area I might be tempted to go 2-1 Bronx.Below are some. It's a good but overall not very standout aquarium:
Scott Aquarium - ZooChat
Scott Aquarium - ZooChat
Scott Aquarium- Penguin - ZooChat
Scott Aquarium - Shark Tunnel - ZooChat
Scott Aquarium-Amazon River Tank - ZooChat
Scott Aquarium - ZooChat
Scott Aquarium - ZooChat
~Thylo
Thanks, although just judging from the photos this looks pretty average (Pittsburgh Zoo's aquarium looks better from a "zoo-aquarium standpoint). If this is really Omaha's main area I might be tempted to go 2-1 Bronx.
I'm obviously not in a great position to judge the Aquarium give that I've never been to Omaha, but after seeing the video walkthrough I'll stand by my statement that it looks pretty average (although I totally understand you point-of-view and will probably enjoy it more than I expect to when I visit). A main advantage of Omaha's aquarium seems to be its size, I remember someone saying it's around 1.3 million gallons, but I'm at a point where I've seen enough aquariums that I don't really care how big or how much water a tank has. I would much rather see a smaller tank that is well-designed with interesting inhabitants than a large, boring tank. I think another problem I have is that the Aquarium seems to be fairly standard and predictable, it seems to mostly be; standard walk-through tank, standard Penguin exhibit and a lot of small-to-medium sized standard tanks set against the wall. These tanks all look perfectly fine for their inhabitants mind you, but it's nothing I haven't see many times before.In terms of a zoo aquarium I would say it is far from average. I have not been to Pittsburgh, so I can not judge it in comparison, but Omaha has an excellent aquarium. It far out ranks any of the aquariums I've seen in Minnesota, Oklahoma City, or even Indianapolis. I was actually highly disappointed with Indianapolis' Oceans Complex because I was expecting something more on the level of Omaha's aquarium. I feel like (not going to go searching for posts at 2:30am here), when it comes to the best zoo aquariums in the US on this site, it's normally down to either Pittsburgh or Omaha. So saying it is second best is nothing to scoff at. That being said, I voted 2-1 Omaha, as from what I have seen the dedicated Sea Bird Aviary and Aquatic Bird Building at the Bronx is excellent.
If a large part of a bird's life takes place in and around water I see no reason why they shouldn't count for the cup imo. Obviously not all birds will count but that's a lot more than just Penguins.Beyond penguins, I don't consider the birds as aquatics - they're birds -
- Tropical forests remains as it is.
- ‘Temperate Forests’ gains the ‘mountains’ component of the ‘mountains and poles’ category. I am open for suggestions for a pithy name for this one. This new category will inherit the draw that previously applied to ‘temperate forests’.
- ‘Grasslands’ becomes ‘grasslands and deserts’. Again, if you have a better name hit me up. Otherwise it will do. This category inherits the former ‘grasslands’ draw.
- Freshwater is merged with marine and the ‘poles’ component of the former mountain and poles category. This category will be known as Aquatics, and it will inherit the former freshwater draw.
But by that logic aquatic or wetland birds (or mammals, reptiles, or amphibians for that matter) would not count at all in the biome matches, because they certainly do not pertain to the other biome match categories, i.e. temperate forests, mountains, poles, grasslands, deserts, or tropical forests.Beyond penguins, I don't consider the birds as aquatics - they're birds
Beyond penguins, I don't consider the birds as aquatics - they're birds - and while Bronx does have some areas with fish, turtles, etc. so many are unlabelled that they seem to be more of an afterthought to fill space.
@TinoPup is under no obligation to consider any species that they do not view as relevant to the biome, however for the sake of the wider audience I will clarify that I *do* intend this category to encompass such habitats as marshes, mangroves and swamps, which seems consistent with the displays in Bronx’s aquatic bird house.
Fish labelling in zoos is notoriously bad, so this is in no way a phenomenon. Some of the other great zoos of the world, San Diego for example also have this issue.
Lastly some areas with turtles is an unfair way to dismiss what is one of the most important breeding centers for Southeast Asian turtles in the country. The zoo has had several firsts in its breeding efforts, and to discount this fully in favor of an aquarium where few of the species have conservation value is imo problematic.
Yes that's a lot of water but, as with a lot of aquariums, sheer water volume can be decieving.Aquariums are often judged in terms of size, and with 1.3 million gallons the building has a tremendous amount of water in approximately 30 exhibits.
So 70% of the water is in one tank. This is why I don't really care about sheer water volume in aquariums, most of the water in the facility is in a tank that looks like it's straight out of a SEA LIFE. I'd take Bronx's much smaller Asian Tank in JungleWorld any day over a tank I can see in literally any aquarium.900,000 gallon Shark Reef tank
Personally I think this:Pittsburgh's PPG Aquarium is not even close in quality to the one in Omaha
I believe it's only 2 people who have voted for Bronx. I've never been to Omaha, would love to visit though, although I believe the other Bronx voter @Coelacanth18 has been to Omaha.Now there are 28 people voting for Omaha and 4 voting for the Bronx Zoo. Have any of the 4 ever toured the aquarium in Omaha?
I believe it's only 2 people who have voted for Bronx. I've never been to Omaha, would love to visit though, although I believe the other Bronx voter @Coelacanth18 has been to Omaha.