ZooChat Cup Group B2: Berlin Zoo vs Chester

[amur leopard]

@CGSwans was very specific that it was the Wallace Line we would be using.

Ohhhh Ok thanks.

I guess that makes the species lists:

Chester
Asian small-clawed otter
Asiatic lion
Balabac chevrotain
Bornean orangutan
Crested black macaque
Greater One-horned rhino
Javan banteng
Lar gibbon
Lion-tailed macaque
Lowland anoa
Malayan tapir
Moloch gibbon
Myanmar thamin
Negros warty pig
Nepalese red panda
Northern Luzon giant cloud rat
Northern treeshrew
Onager
Palawan binturong
South-east Asian elephant
Sulawesi babirusa
Sumatran orangutan
Sumatran prevost's squirrel
Sumatran tiger
Sun bear
Swinhoe's striped squirrel
Turkish spiny mouse
Visayan spotted deer

(28 species)

Berlin
Arabian sand cat
Asian small-clawed otter
Asiatic black bear
Bangka Prevost's squirrel
Bengal slow loris
Blackbuck
Bornean bearded pig
Chinese water deer
Eurasian beaver
Eurasian forest reindeer
Giant panda
Greater one-horned rhinoceros
Greater slow loris
Grey langur
Hamadryas baboon
Himalayan tahr
Indian gaur
Indian sloth bear
Indian swamp deer
Japanese macaque
Japanese sika deer
Java mouse deer
Javan banteng
Javan lutung
Lion
Lion-tailed macaque
Lowland anoa
Malayan slow loris
Negros warty pig
North Persian leopard
Persian fallow deer
Pileated gibbon
Przewalski's horse
Reeves' muntjac
Roborovski's desert hamster
Siamang
Siberian ibex
Sichuan takin
South-East Asian elephant
Sri Lankan rusty-spotted cat
Sulawesi babirusa
Sumatran orangutan
Sumatran prevost's squirrel
Toque macaque
Visayan spotted deer

I'm not sure that the number of species of fish will influence many people's vote, but Berlin of course wins by a crazy margin. As for amphibians, difference is pretty negligible I think.

 

[FunkyGibbon]

We'll need to lose the Sulawesi species: babirusa, anoa, crested macaque. Did I miss any?

 

[amur leopard]

We'll need to lose the Sulawesi species: babirusa, anoa, crested macaque. Did I miss any?

Oh I thought whether Sulawesi was applicable was still up for debate...

 

[lintworm]

You also still need to remove the European forest reindeer...

 

[Coelacanth18]

Oh I thought whether Sulawesi was applicable was still up for debate...

It's east of the Wallace Line. No worries, I didn't realize that either.

@CGSwans will need to clarify about the Philippines.

 

[CGSwans]

I can see a few mammals in your initial list from east of the Wallace Line, which was one of the possible determining factors cited.

On a related note..... @CGSwans - are the Philippines in Asia or Islands for this challenge?

Asia.

 

[Chlidonias]

You also still need to remove the European forest reindeer...

...and the lion...

 

[CGSwans]

...and the lion...

I think Chester’s lions are Asiatics, aren’t they?

 

[pipaluk]

I think Chester’s lions are Asiatics, aren’t they?

Berlin's aren't though!

 

[CGSwans]

Berlin's aren't though!

Whoops. Wasn’t following the context correctly, thanks.

 

[amur leopard]

Chester
Asian small-clawed otter
Asiatic lion
Balabac chevrotain
Bornean orangutan
Greater One-horned rhino
Javan banteng
Lar gibbon
Lion-tailed macaque
Malayan tapir
Moloch gibbon
Myanmar thamin
Negros warty pig
Nepalese red panda
Northern Luzon giant cloud rat
Northern treeshrew
Onager
Palawan binturong
South-east Asian elephant
Sumatran orangutan
Sumatran prevost's squirrel
Sumatran tiger
Sun bear
Swinhoe's striped squirrel
Turkish spiny mouse
Visayan spotted deer

(25 species)

Berlin
Arabian sand cat
Asian small-clawed otter
Asiatic black bear
Bangka Prevost's squirrel
Bengal slow loris
Blackbuck
Bornean bearded pig
Chinese water deer
Eurasian beaver
Giant panda
Greater one-horned rhinoceros
Greater slow loris
Grey langur
Hamadryas baboon
Himalayan tahr
Indian gaur
Indian sloth bear
Indian swamp deer
Japanese macaque
Japanese sika deer
Java mouse deer
Javan banteng
Javan lutung
Lion-tailed macaque
Malayan slow loris
Negros warty pig
North Persian leopard
Persian fallow deer
Pileated gibbon
Przewalski's horse
Reeves' muntjac
Roborovski's desert hamster
Siamang
Siberian ibex
Sichuan takin
South-East Asian elephant
Sri Lankan rusty-spotted cat
Sumatran orangutan
Sumatran prevost's squirrel
Toque macaque
Visayan spotted deer

(41 species)

 

[amur leopard]

Berlin photos






Panda exhibits (each is for a single panda)


(Asiatic black bear)


(Gaur)


(Polar bear separation enclosure)


(Polar bear normal enclosure)


Future rhino exhibit (2021 I think)
You can decide whether to take this into account or not.

 

[amur leopard]

More Berlin photos:


(Barasingha)


(Bornean bearded pig)


(Javan lutung)


(Lion tailed macaque)


(Persian fallow deer)



(Siberian ibex)


(Himalayan tahr)


(Toque macaque)


(Eurasian griffon vulture)

Thanks to @twilighter , @lintworm, @ThylacineAlive and many others for photos.

 

[amur leopard]

And last few of Berlin:


(Oman spiny tailed lizard and some kind of agama)


(Asia area of world of birds)


(Sumatran laughingthrush)


(Pheasantry)


(Japanese pond heron)


(Golden eagle, animal itself can be seen on top of the rock formation)


(Great grey owl and Snowy owl)


(Hamadryas baboon)


(Ruddy turnstone, sorry if the image isn't very helpful)

Again, thanks to all photographers involved

 

[amur leopard]

And Chester photos: Surprisingly couldn't find as many due to general paucity but thanks to @gulogulogulo, @MagpieGoose and @SMR for the photos


(Asian elephant)


(Indian great hornbill)


(Javan banteng)


(New lion indoor (cart?? I find it slightly offensive towards Indian people...))


(Lion tailed macaque)



(Both new lion exhibit)


(Sumatran tiger)


(Sun bear and binturong)


(Ural owl)

 

[amur leopard]

Some more.



(Visayan tarictic hornbill)


(Visayan warty pig)

I apologise for the possible finger joint issues when vigourously scrolling down this now-extremely-long page

 

[TeaLovingDave]

Anyway, enough trivialities and onto birds.

Chester
79 species

Berlin
133 species

Quite a massive overestimate for Berlin there

 

[ThylacineAlive]

I'm surprised the Bengal Mongoose haven't been included in the mammal's list for Chester. Also, are we still trusting ZTL for ectotherm lists...?

How are we counting Rock Hyrax here? They range into the Middle East so I would imagine if Hamadryas Baboon counts then so does Rock Hyrax.

Based on my visits to the respective zoos along with my basic understanding of how the collections have changed since then:
Chester
Mammals: 29
Birds: 46
Herps: 24
Fishes: 25*

Berlin:
Mammals: 35
Birds: 55
Herps: 14
Fishes: 26*

*I didn't include strictly saltwater species

So we have Chester with 124 Asian species vs Berlin Zoo with 130. I'm sure I missed some species for both zoos and Berlin still comes out on top species-wise but it's not quite the wash out portrayed earlier.

Both zoos have some good enclosures throughout but I personally find Chester to be more consistently better. They also have an actual Asia-focused exhibit (four now, actually). I'm pretty sure previous matches have established Chester to be the better zoo conservation-wise as well, so it's a pretty easy win for Chester from me.

~Thylo

 

[Chlidonias]

I'm surprised at those low fish totals. Especially for Berlin I'd have expected a lot more than that, even if only counting freshwater species.

 

[ThylacineAlive]

I'm surprised at those low fish totals. Especially for Berlin I'd have expected a lot more than that, even if only counting freshwater species.

Berlin's aquarium is mainly marine, I was actually surprised they had as many as they did.

~Thylo