ZooChat Cup Group D: Beauval vs St Louis

Beauval vs St Louis: Miscellaneous mammals

  • Beauval 3-0 St Louis

    Votes: 5 18.5%

  • Beauval 2-1 St Louis

    Votes: 22 81.5%

  • St Louis 2-1 Beauval

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • St Louis 3-0 Beauval

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    27
  • Poll closed .
amur leopard said:
Hmmm.... I am going to try and be as unbiased as possible and evaluate these...

The first photo shows what seems to be a large-ish tree kangaroo exhibit. Not sure what is preventing them from just walking out of the exhibit though... :D

The second photo shows a good Tasmanian devil exhibit... About as good as Beauval's I think, perhaps even a bit better because the glass allows a close up view...

The third photo shows a very hilly kangaroo exhibit... Seems slightly smaller than that of Beauval, but isn't bad...

The fourth photo is imo not great at all... I have seen much better sloth exhibits from zoos who weren't even anywhere near qualifying for this competition and aren't even on France's top ten.
Too small and no privacy...

The fifth photo... I dunno whether this exhibit is tiny or small or even medium-sized. Is there anything else to it? I mean... if not, it's way too small...

The sixth photo shows a pretty small guinea pig enclosure...

The seventh one is for naked mole rats and seems to be significantly smaller than the Beauval one, with zero privacy and zero landscaping, so....

I dunno - if all the exhibits had been like the first three, I would've voted 2-1. However, due to the poor quality of the last few especially, I am keeping my vote at 3-0.
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Mehdi said:
I'm going to be honest here, these exhibits do not inspire me anything good; especially the mole rat, guinea pig and two-toed sloth ones...

A lot of them seem particularly ugly (though that's subjective of course) and some definitely seem unfit for the species they hold. As such, it's gonna be a 3-0 vote from myself for Beauval.
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The Guinea Pig exhibit is certainly among the biggest I have seen...
 
birdsandbats said:
The Guinea Pig exhibit is certainly among the biggest I have seen...
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Certainly doesn't look on picture but it is true it's hard to grasp how bad/good an exhibit looks like from a single picture. Is there more to it than that picture or is that literally all they have?
 
Mehdi said:
Certainly doesn't look on picture but it is true it's hard to grasp how bad/good an exhibit looks like from a single picture. Is there more to it than that picture or is that literally all they have?
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It's all they have, but there are only about 3 guinea pigs in the enclosure.
 
Are we arguing over a domestic Guinea pig exhibit? It's irrelevant to most of us anyway! The only question is 3-0 or 2-1 Beauval! I think the Echidna just about avoids 3-0
 
pipaluk said:
Are we arguing over a domestic Guinea pig exhibit? It's irrelevant to most of us anyway! The only question is 3-0 or 2-1 Beauval! I think the Echidna just about avoids 3-0
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Really? Seriously? Are you even asking this question? Domestic animals matter just as much in a zoo as say, a monkey or tiger.
 
Ebirah766 said:
Really? Seriously? Are you even asking this question? Domestic animals matter just as much in a zoo as say, a monkey or tiger.
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Let's stay focused on the substance, not the process.

Domestics are a valid part of the discussion. It's up to individual voters to decide what, if any, weight they put on them when considering their votes.
 
I think, and I may be wrong, in fact most people will probably disagree with me, that Beauval should win 3-0. I tend to think that domestic taxa are slightly less important than normal taxa because they can be recreated again, whereas wild taxa can't. If all the primary colours in the world run out (representing the wild taxa) then we won't be able to recreate them (that is, without DNA techniques etc...)
Anyway, it has already been established that Beauval wins 16-11 in taxa or 16-12 if you include the guinea pigs. However, something we haven't touched on is conservation projects. Here are some of Beauval's projects in-situ:
  • Works with bat organizations in France to record censuses of their population, capture and tag and release them back into the wild in uninhabited areas to fuel new growth in the area, allowing the redevelopment of the populations.
  • Tags Giant Anteaters in Brazil in order to follow their movements and understand them better, hence helping to combat the road kills that have taken place recently in greater numbers.
  • Works with Woodland Park zoo to create safe zones for the tree kangaroos to move around their native Papua new Guinea. This allows the population to recuperate without worries about deforestation etc...
  • Works with SDZ to ensure the survival of koalas in Queensland, also working to cure koalas with certain diseases developed in the species.
  • They also protect Giant armadillos in Brazil, giving them a safe future. It studies their wild behaviour, their usage of land, the destruction of their habitat, especially in the Pantanal, and uses this data and information to start informed initiatives to save this charismatic species.
This has further persuaded me to vote 3-0, along with the enclosures. This is because the sheer number, breadth and different areas of the world is impressive. They have ex-situ projects as well, they have native mammal efforts and they also have many in-situ projects. Would be interested to see what St Louis has to offer...
 
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