ZooChat European Cup Round 2: Poznan vs Magdeburg
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Bit of a tricky one, this. Both collections have a fantastic range of carnivores and hoofstock, but I think I shall have to vote for Magdeburg as the collection which I have visited and thus experienced for myself.
My review of the collection after my 2014 visit makes my feelings about the place clear, and aspects of the collection which I mentioned at the time which are pertinent to the matter at hand include the following:
However, the thing which really swings the matter is the fact that after recently visiting the collection a second time in September 2018 I was blown away by how improved the collection was after substantial expansions in the last few years added a massive African savannah complex which includes a large mixed exhibit for Impala, South African Elephant and Grivet Monkey - with the addition of nominate Warthog and Bat-eared Fox (already held in the collection elsewhere) intended for the future - and other very nice exhibits for Nubian Ibex (mixed with Gelada) and Lesser Kudu. The aforementioned savannah complex replaces what was the single worst part of the 2014 collection, a frankly terrible elephant house.
Despite Poznan holding a few oddities in the carnivore department to cause any zoo-nerd excitement - including Feline Genet, European Mink and African Palm Civet - my knowledge of the exhibits at said collection would lead me to believe that generally speaking, Magdeburg nonetheless has the edge.
My review of the collection after my 2014 visit makes my feelings about the place clear, and aspects of the collection which I mentioned at the time which are pertinent to the matter at hand include the following:
- One of the best mixed exhibits for Black Rhinoceros and various African antelope I have seen.
- Simple but spacious paddocks for species such as Onager and Eurasian Forest Reindeer.
- Large and pleasant exhibits for Chinese Dhole, European Golden Jackal, Carpathian Lynx and Siberian Tiger.
- A good number of oddities including Marbled Polecat, White-nosed Coati and the aforementioned jackal.
However, the thing which really swings the matter is the fact that after recently visiting the collection a second time in September 2018 I was blown away by how improved the collection was after substantial expansions in the last few years added a massive African savannah complex which includes a large mixed exhibit for Impala, South African Elephant and Grivet Monkey - with the addition of nominate Warthog and Bat-eared Fox (already held in the collection elsewhere) intended for the future - and other very nice exhibits for Nubian Ibex (mixed with Gelada) and Lesser Kudu. The aforementioned savannah complex replaces what was the single worst part of the 2014 collection, a frankly terrible elephant house.
Despite Poznan holding a few oddities in the carnivore department to cause any zoo-nerd excitement - including Feline Genet, European Mink and African Palm Civet - my knowledge of the exhibits at said collection would lead me to believe that generally speaking, Magdeburg nonetheless has the edge.
I, on the other hand, have voted Poznan. Ungulates and carnivores are definitely Poznan's two top areas with a number of interesting small carnivores spread across the nocturnal house and a dedicated section of the zoo for small carnivores as well as a number of larger carnivores dotted around. It's been several years since I last visited and I don't have time to remind myself on ZTL or in the galleries but I believe there was quite a good Siberian Tiger enclosure among a few others.
In terms of Ungulates, Poznan zoo has quite a large area with some extensive forested areas and some rather nice ungulate enlosures dotted around with things like Vicuna and Wood Bison as well as a particularly nice enclosure for Takins and a very large pleasant elephant house (I forget if elephants count as ungulates for this challenge or not).
In terms of Ungulates, Poznan zoo has quite a large area with some extensive forested areas and some rather nice ungulate enlosures dotted around with things like Vicuna and Wood Bison as well as a particularly nice enclosure for Takins and a very large pleasant elephant house (I forget if elephants count as ungulates for this challenge or not).
African palm civet: Poznan: African palm civet
Civets: Poznan: Feline genet
Cats: Magdeburg: Sand cat, snow leopard, lion, margay
Poznan: Leopard cat, jaguarondi, northern lynx, Pallas’s cat, caracal
Hyenas: Magdeburg: Striped hyena
Mongooses: Magdeburg: Banded mongoose, dark cusimanse, marsh mongoose, yellow mongoose
Dogs: Magdeburg: African wild dog, bush dog, dhole, golden jackal
Poznan: Wolf
Mustelids:
Magdeburg: Marbled polecat
Poznan: Eurasian otter, European mink, yellow-throated marten, Siberian weasel
Seals: Poznan: Harbour seal
Raccoons: Poznan: Kinkajou, South American coati,
Horses: Magdeburg: Onager
Rhinoceroses: Magdeburg: Black rhinoceros
Poznan: White rhinoceros
Pigs: Magdeburg: Northern warthog, red river hog
Poznan: Negros warty pig
Camelids: Poznan: Vicuna
Chevotrains: Poznan: Java mouse deer
Deer: Magdeburg: Axis deer, reindeer, tufted deer
Poznan: Bawean deer, Reeves’ muntjac, Javan rusa, Pere David’s deer, Vietnamese sika, Visayan spotted deer
Bovids: Magdeburg: Chinese goral, impala, defassa waterbuck, African buffalo, lesser kudu
Poznan: American bison, sable antelope, black wildebeest, European bison, nilgai, takin, Thomson’s gazelle, sitatunga
Magdeburg (3): Hyenas, mongooses, horses
Poznan (5): African palm civet, civets, seals, raccoons, camelids
Poznan wins 5-3
Civets: Poznan: Feline genet
Cats: Magdeburg: Sand cat, snow leopard, lion, margay
Poznan: Leopard cat, jaguarondi, northern lynx, Pallas’s cat, caracal
Hyenas: Magdeburg: Striped hyena
Mongooses: Magdeburg: Banded mongoose, dark cusimanse, marsh mongoose, yellow mongoose
Dogs: Magdeburg: African wild dog, bush dog, dhole, golden jackal
Poznan: Wolf
Mustelids:
Magdeburg: Marbled polecat
Poznan: Eurasian otter, European mink, yellow-throated marten, Siberian weasel
Seals: Poznan: Harbour seal
Raccoons: Poznan: Kinkajou, South American coati,
Horses: Magdeburg: Onager
Rhinoceroses: Magdeburg: Black rhinoceros
Poznan: White rhinoceros
Pigs: Magdeburg: Northern warthog, red river hog
Poznan: Negros warty pig
Camelids: Poznan: Vicuna
Chevotrains: Poznan: Java mouse deer
Deer: Magdeburg: Axis deer, reindeer, tufted deer
Poznan: Bawean deer, Reeves’ muntjac, Javan rusa, Pere David’s deer, Vietnamese sika, Visayan spotted deer
Bovids: Magdeburg: Chinese goral, impala, defassa waterbuck, African buffalo, lesser kudu
Poznan: American bison, sable antelope, black wildebeest, European bison, nilgai, takin, Thomson’s gazelle, sitatunga
Magdeburg (3): Hyenas, mongooses, horses
Poznan (5): African palm civet, civets, seals, raccoons, camelids
Poznan wins 5-3
Worth noting that you have omitted a raccoon held by Magdeburg (white-nosed coati) so by your rules, the tally should be 4-3.
Also, you have failed to list several species Magdeburg holds in a few other points (which gives an incorrect picture of the species diversity within families) and included one species/family for Poznan (the African Palm Civet) which is entirely offshow - I seem to recall you have previously omitted such species?
Magdeburg and Poznan both have white-nosed coatis, so I didn't include that species, as well as other species held by both zoos.
I have been using the Expert Search in ZTL and I have not omitted species that are currently off show.
CGSwans allows us to choose our own criteria for comparing zoos. I may use different criteria next time.
I have been using the Expert Search in ZTL and I have not omitted species that are currently off show.
CGSwans allows us to choose our own criteria for comparing zoos. I may use different criteria next time.
Having just been to both a matter of months ago (and less than a week apart) I'm going to go with Poznan. I will admit my visit to Magdeburg was mixed to say the least but, while it is a fantastic and rapidly developing collection, I do find it falls short of Poznan in terms of species and exhibitry.
@Dassie rat, I do believe Magdeburg is out of Marsh Mongoose by now as a keeper told us they were leaving imminently in September (and if not they are bts). Poznan exhibits Common Dwarf Mongoose. Additionally Poznan also keeps European Wildcat on-exhibit, not to mention their Caracal are a rare subspecies.
EDIT: Poznan also keeps European Brown Bear.
~Thylo
@Dassie rat, I do believe Magdeburg is out of Marsh Mongoose by now as a keeper told us they were leaving imminently in September (and if not they are bts). Poznan exhibits Common Dwarf Mongoose. Additionally Poznan also keeps European Wildcat on-exhibit, not to mention their Caracal are a rare subspecies.
EDIT: Poznan also keeps European Brown Bear.
~Thylo
Thanks Thylo
You're right about the European brown bear and the European wild cat, according to ZTL. The score should have been 6-3 to Poznan. The marsh mongoose is still listed on ZTL, but I suspect your information is more up to date.
You're right about the European brown bear and the European wild cat, according to ZTL. The score should have been 6-3 to Poznan. The marsh mongoose is still listed on ZTL, but I suspect your information is more up to date.
Latest I have heard is that they are no longer leaving, but are still offshow.