Zooman September 2013 European Zoo tour

Chester Zoo

At last a zoo to compete with Nuremburg and Pilsn, in both diversity of collection and exhibit quality.

My first visit to Chester was 29 years ago much has changed! However great to still see so many original buildings, walls barriers and islands. These were built with such quality and expertise that there has a been no need to destroy them.

I did chat with a man who worked at Chester in the 60's (at Zoo Historica, thank you Tim ) he told me that Mr Mottershead believed that a zoo building should actually only last for 10 years as advancement in husbandry was so rapid that they would be out of date in 10 years! What a brilliant concept.

Entrance through main gate, it's a overcast day with light rain, so hopefully not allot of visitors and the animals will be interested in me as l am in them, and my expectations are high!

first exhibit Asian Elephants, a decent size with heaps of enrichment and two young. Then off l go repeatedly getting lost and and discovering great exhibits and active animals.

The giant otter female with two young live in a beautiful large enclosure that was actually the old seal pool. Gotta love Giant Otters.

While touring the zoo l actually met a lovely lady who supplied Chester zoo with here South American animals in the 50's and 60's we toured the zoo together and l heard allot of stories on Chester Zoo it's director and animals it was brilliant!

After looking at pictures of Real Of The Red Ape l was expecting to be disappointed. Totally the opposite the buildings were originally connived to have plants but they never got the chance to establish and the orangs destroyed all.

The large building is separated into several interconnected huge indoor and large outdoor areas, all with an abundance of enrichment. What was very good and seen so rarely in zoos is that there was a abundance of opportunities indoor and outdoor for the primates to swing Iike Tarzan and the 3 times l visited the area l saw them doing this particularly the young it was very good!

Like Brookfield they also provide indoor sprinklers (rain) for enrichment, ironically it was raining outside and inside at one point, maybe it is on a timer?

The two luckiest Jaguars in captivity live in large indoor and outdoor exhibits, they were however both pacing in separate enclosures on all 3 visits. I am now convinced enrichment needs to evolve further.

In the rain l took the river boat tour, a slight difference to Hanover (LOL) it was interesting to me but I think they could do lot more. They do have the monorail (totally unnecessary IMHO) for something more modern, although it looks tired and is a little frustrating as you buy. Ticket and it only takes you 1/2 way, you then have to get off, go around buy another ticket to complete the journey.

A large walk through bat exhibit was a amazing experience, there was only me and the keeper in the exhibit. The exhibit is a huge building maybe 60 ft high with app 500 bats. There is a Walk through tunnel in the exhibit that if you stand there for a moment the bats fly all around you, just like the batman movie scene! Fortunately at that particular time keepers were cleaning out there regular roosting space so they were extra active. Having hundreds of little bats fly around you is an experience not to be missed !

I loved Chester Zoo and it truly deserves its excellent reputation.
 
Zooman in which zoos have you seen wing-clipped macaws? It is considered not done and it has been a loooooong time I have seen any macaws that weren't kept in flying conditions. The only exception is the now closed NOP but those macaws were former pets that were handed over to the park, so they weren't clipped by the park itself.

Hi mate,

On this tour that l can remember Wuppertal and Beekes Bergen Safari, however l have seen it many times all over the world.
 
Longleat

A late addition to my tour, wanted to see the new gorilla enclosure and see how it had changed my last visit was 29 years ago.

Started with the drive through safari and totally enjoyed it! Avoided the primate drive thru (hire car) I could see that cars that entered were definitely used as enrichment ;)!

A pride of 30 lions very impressive, however the male lion was not all that impressive to look at. I would have thought they would have used selectivel breeding and produced stunning male lions as it seems Australian Zoos do some with significant success.

Watching a Siberian Tiger slowly walk by the car was breathtaking they are HUGE!

I watched the wolf pack for an extended period of time and l know its very selective to judge a pack of dogs in this short period of time! It does however seem that even given a very large space they can still appear just as bored as they do in a city zoo.... Is breeding, culling and live food the only real solution for bears and dogs in captivity?

longleat caters very well to young people and visitors looking for what Longleat call 'A Animal Experiance'

You can for
1? =feed seals from the boat
2? = feed two little fish to penguins ( I will post a pic it was a first for me to see)
1? = feed the very hungry lorikeets

Free
Hold a tarantula or boa constrictor
Pat assorted rabbits and guinea pigs ( this is done at a very structured booth with the animals rotated frequently.)
Walk through
meerkat exhibit
Penguin exhibit
Tamarin

All of the above except for seals was done in a relatively small area that must be chaos on a busy day!

The gorilla exhibit was a great size with allot of mature trees providing a canopy, none of the trees are hot wired and on two you can see significant damage. On the 4 boat trips l went on each time they were all actively looking for browse. Only the related animals on show the fourth is still not getting along with the others and is separated, it's been 1 year now, how much longer they will try l wonder as it must be very stressful for the solitary gorilla.

Why do they call it the Gorilla Colony, l am sure the term is Troop, just googled it and also get band but definitely not Colony!

The old boy on the island looks very well, his grey coat is partially attractive, l have never seen such a distinctive coloration has the weather contributed to this?

Went through the mansion very impressive !

I will probably never return to Longleat but l did enjoy my day. I bet they end up with a family troop of gorillas and l would then return! LOL
 
Only the related animals on show the fourth is still not getting along with the others and is separated, it's been 1 year now, how much longer they will try l wonder as it must be very stressful for the solitary gorilla.

Why do they call it the Gorilla Colony, l am sure the term is Troop, just googled it and also get band but definitely not Colony!

The old boy on the island looks very well, his grey coat is partially attractive, l have never seen such a distinctive coloration has the weather contributed to this?

In that case I imagine they will never get 'Boulas'(the solitary male who came from Twycross) in with the other three now. I can foresee a situation where when the old male 'Nico' on the island dies (as he will surely eventually), Boulas could end up taking his place on there.

'Colony'- I think Longleat used that word when they had chimps a very long time ago and its been used for the Gorillas now. To me a 'colony' means a breeding/selfsustaining and multi-generational group of animals- Longleat gorillas aren't any of those so it isn't the right word.. Three animals together aren't really a troop or a band either (for Gorillas I still prefer the word 'group' which satisfactorily embraces any animals over two in number) but of course its all about what sounds best for the marketing.;)

'Nico'- its not the weather, he has always been rather silver-coloured and has become that very distinctive almost white colour with his advanced age. You realise you were looking at the oldest male in Europe now?

Regarding a 'family group of Gorillas'. I believe they plan to in future (do they say this on the boat trip?) They would need to build more accomodation first- unless they got rid of the males- and IMO they are better off just housing males as they do now. But it may happen somewhere down the line.
 
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the buildings were originally connived to have plants but they never got the chance to establish and the orangs destroyed all.

I'm surprised they ever thought they could keep growing plants and Orangutans in the same indoor enclosure- where the animals spend most time.

I saw ROTRA soon after it opened and the indoor Orangutan enclosure looked like a bomb had hit it- uprooted and dying plants everywhere. One enclosure looked as if they had tried again, replanting with (unpalatable) pine trees but I thought then it probably wouldn't work either. I guess they have abandoned the planting idea in the inside areas, entirely now.

The large number of plastic straps('vines') hanging down are its best feature IMO, they really allow the Orangutans to swing properly.:)
 
I think the name 'Gorilla Colony' is just to differentiate from 'Gorilla Island', which now just has the one elderly (but impressive) individual - it's pure marketing, in other words!

Good to see you in Bristol, zooman - hope you had a good night. It was quite a lively evening in the end - very enjoyable!
 
Bristol

I arrived at Bristol Zoo on a wet Friday afternoon, while organising myself at the car before entering, who should l see coming towards me ............., I had to say hello, introduce myself and invite her to zoo historia if she was available, unfortunately not.

We did however stop and chat zoo things for 30 minutes, it was enlightening to chat with a zoo nerd ( a compliment not an insult :)) who was so focused on the animal, not the signage, enclosure, enrichment, zoo guide book etc etc. Not to say these things were not an interest to Anna, it's just that from our relatively brief conversation it was her passion for the animals and there welfare that rally came across also her humility to be guided by highly experienced and respected individuals. I will definitely go to ....... On my next visit to the UK. Attached pic :)))) ( with her consent )

Now Bristol Zoo,

First impression expensive 15 £ and a small collection!

Have to say it was fun walking around and guessing who was coming to zoo historia, from the general public! We do stand out by how we observe and talk! I caught a Zoochatter explaining to a random 7 yo that gorillas are not monkeys after he had said aloud that they monkeys!

The gorilla enclosure outdoor is well furnished and reasonable size typically without canopy.... The Gorilla indoor area needs to be seen to be understood and truly experience.

The public walkway has overhead observation windows so you are looking up at the gorillas. So imagine being able to closely observe a gorilla from underneath, feet, hands, backside and back etc. depending how the gorilla is positioned. The public look up and see all of this. So another explanation without pics would be like a underwater viewing window where you can see the sides and above except its gorillas! This has to be unique?

Firstly obviously this has dramatically reduced privacy for them, although they can sit above and not be seen, most of the above area and all the side areas are transparent. Personally against it as its gimmicky, must be a cleaning nightmare, the mentioned privacy issue and it must have cost a fortune!

The penguin and seal area have walk through viewing tunnels, very effective with the penguins. The pool areas did seem small particularly for the seals. The outdoor areas were however very well themed and it was a pleasure to watch the very active animals.

A variety of primates most with outdoor islands, all with a decent amount of enrichment, the indoor areas were unfortunately on the small side. Chester has done very well with there primate indoor areas reducing the number of species and increasing indoor exhibit space, allowing for large active family groups great to watch. Where Bristol ( and many other zoos )had what seemed like very small groups. A shame really as the general public come to see active animals rather than a diverse range of species of primates in small groups.

The walk through ring tailed lemur exhibit was a decent size and l thought nicely laid out.

The animatronic dinasours scattered throughout the zoo, were very well done and l am sure kids would love them, although I do know dinasours are loosing favour with kids. Is it time for giant bugs?

I would return to Bristol Zoo as l would like to experience it on a sunny day, although l am convinced it is overpriced and definitely on the small size both with exhibits and acreage for its asking price.

I wonder if the zoo is priced so high, as to discourage lower socially economic groups and there stereotypically disruptive and destructive behaviours and also to keep visitor numbers down as the zoo could very easily become very crowded. FYI The Zoo is located in a seriously wealthy area, surrounded by beautifull multi million pound homes!
 

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I think the name 'Gorilla Colony' is just to differentiate from 'Gorilla Island', which now just has the one elderly (but impressive) individual - it's pure marketing, in other words!

Good to see you in Bristol, zooman - hope you had a good night. It was quite a lively evening in the end - very enjoyable!


Hi mate,

Just arrived home left Paris 42 hours ago.

It was brilliant to meet all of you!
 
I'm surprised that you consider Bristol expensive at £15, whilst Longleat at £30(when i went last year) i would consider far worse value for money.
It's interesting though that you state you will return to Bristol but not Longleat .
I doubt i will return there either, as i found the collection contained nothing i couldn't see elsewhere and the walk around area resembled a kids theme park.
 
Bristol

I arrived at Bristol Zoo on a wet Friday afternoon, while organising myself at the car before entering, who should l see coming towards me ............., I had to say hello, introduce myself and invite her to zoo historia if she was available, unfortunately not.

We did however stop and chat zoo things for 30 minutes, it was enlightening to chat with a zoo nerd ( a compliment not an insult :)) who was so focused on the animal, not the signage, enclosure, enrichment, zoo guide book etc etc. Not to say these things were not an interest to Anna, it's just that from our relatively brief conversation it was her passion for the animals and there welfare that rally came across also her humility to be guided by highly experienced and respected individuals. I will definitely go to ....... On my next visit to the UK. Attached pic :)))) ( with her consent )

Now Bristol Zoo,

First impression expensive 15 £ and a small collection!

Have to say it was fun walking around and guessing who was coming to zoo historia, from the general public! We do stand out by how we observe and talk! I caught a Zoochatter explaining to a random 7 yo that gorillas are not monkeys after he had said aloud that they monkeys!

The gorilla enclosure outdoor is well furnished and reasonable size typically without canopy.... The Gorilla indoor area needs to be seen to be understood and truly experience.

The public walkway has overhead observation windows so you are looking up at the gorillas. So imagine being able to closely observe a gorilla from underneath, feet, hands, backside and back etc. depending how the gorilla is positioned. The public look up and see all of this. So another explanation without pics would be like a underwater viewing window where you can see the sides and above except its gorillas! This has to be unique?

Firstly obviously this has dramatically reduced privacy for them, although they can sit above and not be seen, most of the above area and all the side areas are transparent. Personally against it as its gimmicky, must be a cleaning nightmare, the mentioned privacy issue and it must have cost a fortune!

The penguin and seal area have walk through viewing tunnels, very effective with the penguins. The pool areas did seem small particularly for the seals. The outdoor areas were however very well themed and it was a pleasure to watch the very active animals.

A variety of primates most with outdoor islands, all with a decent amount of enrichment, the indoor areas were unfortunately on the small side. Chester has done very well with there primate indoor areas reducing the number of species and increasing indoor exhibit space, allowing for large active family groups great to watch. Where Bristol ( and many other zoos )had what seemed like very small groups. A shame really as the general public come to see active animals rather than a diverse range of species of primates in small groups.

The walk through ring tailed lemur exhibit was a decent size and l thought nicely laid out.

The animatronic dinasours scattered throughout the zoo, were very well done and l am sure kids would love them, although I do know dinasours are loosing favour with kids. Is it time for giant bugs?

I would return to Bristol Zoo as l would like to experience it on a sunny day, although l am convinced it is overpriced and definitely on the small size both with exhibits and acreage for its asking price.

I wonder if the zoo is priced so high, as to discourage lower socially economic groups and there stereotypically disruptive and destructive behaviours and also to keep visitor numbers down as the zoo could very easily become very crowded. FYI The Zoo is located in a seriously wealthy area, surrounded by beautifull multi million pound homes!

Can't wait to see your report on Annas zoo, if you think Bristol is "expensive" and a "small collection".
 
28 Days, ( spent the last 5 days in Paris with my partner and the kids)
6,400 km
21 zoos, (and various pet shops)

Zoos visited

Germany
Zoom Gelsenkirchen
Duisburg
Krefeld
Wuppertal
Frankfurt
Nuremberg
Leipzig
Berlin Zoo
Berlin Tierpark,
Hamburg
Hanover

Czech Republic
Prague
Plzen

Austria
Vienna

Netherlands
Apeldoorn
Beekes Safari

Belgium
Paira Daiza

UK
Longleat
Port Lympne
Howletts
Chester

Highlights,

Nuremburgh and Plzen, both great zoos with way above average exhibits.

Zoo Histora, meeting a great bunch of like minded people!

Meeting zoochatters at there local zoo and getting a tour, thx Vogelcomando, apologies animal sory to have missed you.

Several behind the scenes encounters, particularly Apeldoorn.

A big thank you to the 4 zoochatters that assisted with the itinary of this trip.

Now back to work, gotta get that zoo!

Hoping for Madagascar next year, as last months river safari in Borneo has defiantly wet my appetite for wild encounters.
 
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