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I found a very interesting document from the National Agency for Sanitary Security regarding the importation of the doucs. For the french law there is a problem of sanitary security for the import so the Zoo asked for a derogation and another protocol. Unfortunately, it's all in french !
But I can say that the Zoo wants to import 1.4 doucs all born in Dusit Zoo and now kept for a year in Khao Kheow Open Zoo.
Date of births for each douc :
- male born 2014/26/12
- female born 2008/22/06
- female born 2015/24/12
- female born 2009/18/06
- female born 2015/09/05
Other info is that the Zoo has signed with the Thai Government a Memorantum of Understanding in 2018 for the conservation of the species.

Hope the propose process will be ok for sanitary security !

https://www.anses.fr/fr/system/files/SABA2020SA0004.pdf
 
Antoine said:
I found a very interesting document from the National Agency for Sanitary Security regarding the importation of the doucs. For the french law there is a problem of sanitary security for the import so the Zoo asked for a derogation and another protocol. Unfortunately, it's all in french !
But I can say that the Zoo wants to import 1.4 doucs all born in Dusit Zoo and now kept for a year in Khao Kheow Open Zoo.
Date of births for each douc :
- male born 2014/26/12
- female born 2008/22/06
- female born 2015/24/12
- female born 2009/18/06
- female born 2015/09/05
Other info is that the Zoo has signed with the Thai Government a Memorantum of Understanding in 2018 for the conservation of the species.

Hope the propose process will be ok for sanitary security !

https://www.anses.fr/fr/system/files/SABA2020SA0004.pdf
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Thank you for finding this document! It is very enlightening, although the tone of the document is formal enough to cloud exactly what the situation is. Having read the whole thing, I still don't understand whether Anses is the only agency that is blocking (or delaying, if one is more optimistic) the import of the doucs or whether other agencies have taken an opposing stance to it.

Are we just waiting for Anses to make their minds up or is it more complicated?
 
@amur leopard The Agency is not the problem. The problem is the law. Thailand is a country with some particular tropical illnesses and when you want to import animals in France you have to be sure to respect the conditions put in the law. Here it can't be done so the zoo try to find a way to unsure there will be no problem with the import and to prevent the arrival of illnesses. To do so, they must have the agreement of the National Agency.
 
Antoine said:
@amur leopard The Agency is not the problem. The problem is the law. Thailand is a country with some particular tropical illnesses and when you want to import animals in France you have to be sure to respect the conditions put in the law. Here it can't be done so the zoo try to find a way to unsure there will be no problem with the import and to prevent the arrival of illnesses. To do so, they must have the agreement of the National Agency.
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I understand that, I am just asking if the disease control is the only thing stopping the doucs and not some other diplomatic relationship issue or Covid-related problem. And surely there is a way to get around the disease control? Perhaps vaccinations for the langurs are the way forward?
 
No, the only problem is the respect of the law.
Regarding vaccinations, if it was a possibility they would have done them.
But don't worry @amur leopard the document prove that the doucs are on the way !
 
Young dwarf crocodiles have been transfered from Doué to Beauval. I suppose they will be presented in the past albino alligators' enclosure in the gorillas tropical house (near the past manatees pool).
A new species for the zoo.
 
Antoine said:
Young dwarf crocodiles have been transfered from Doué to Beauval. I suppose they will be presented in the past albino alligators' enclosure in the gorillas tropical house (near the past manatees pool).
A new species for the zoo.
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Weren't the gators in the orangutan and chimpanzee greenhouse? In the reptile area? At least I think I saw them there.
 
SivatheriumGuy said:
Weren't the gators in the orangutan and chimpanzee greenhouse? In the reptile area? At least I think I saw them there.
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No, because we are talking about albino alligators here. They were in the gorilla greenhouse above the manatee pool.

The other alligators are in the vivarium of the great apes greenhouse.

Thank you Antoine for the info.
I thought he would take advantage of the departure of the manatees to restructure the entire bottom of the greenhouse but obviously not just the basin.
 
@Valentin, Yes I think it's a shame not to have completely reviewed this part of the greenhouse. But of course, I am happy to see a more interesting species than alligators !
 
Does anyone know why Beauval are not making developments in North or South American fauna? In my opinion, that is their main 'weakness'. Especially North American now that we have the dome.
 
@Valentin, Yes I think it's a shame not to have completely reviewed this part of the greenhouse. But of course, I am happy to see a more interesting species than alligators !
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Yes, of course compared to albino alligators ...
The collection of crocodilians is developing well and will continue, I think, knowing that we talked about marine crocodiles a few years ago.

amur leopard said:
Does anyone know why Beauval are not making developments in North or South American fauna? In my opinion, that is their main 'weakness'. Especially North American now that we have the dome.
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You are right for these two areas. The zoo has many species that correspond to these areas but often scattered throughout the zoo so ...

And why ? probably because these species have arrived over the years and therefore placed where there was room. The zoo was not organized in the area before a short time ago. Maybe later for these two areas for now the development is focused on Africa ... So wait and see.
 
Valentin said:
Yes, of course compared to albino alligators ...
The collection of crocodilians is developing well and will continue, I think, knowing that we talked about marine crocodiles a few years ago.



You are right for these two areas. The zoo has many species that correspond to these areas but often scattered throughout the zoo so ...

And why ? probably because these species have arrived over the years and therefore placed where there was room. The zoo was not organized in the area before a short time ago. Maybe later for these two areas for now the development is focused on Africa ... So wait and see.
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But the zoo is already outstanding - one of the best in Europe even - in terms of Africa. It beat Rotterdam in the Zoochat cup, a zoo that has a very developed African area. I do agree with you in that sense - the zoo is heading towards a more orderly collection in which exhibits are sorted geographically and to some extent by ecosystem.
 
Valentin said:
No, because we are talking about albino alligators here. They were in the gorilla greenhouse above the manatee pool.

The other alligators are in the vivarium of the great apes greenhouse.

Thank you Antoine for the info.
I thought he would take advantage of the departure of the manatees to restructure the entire bottom of the greenhouse but obviously not just the basin.
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Albino alligators is definitely a pass-over for us. First: exhibit educational value nil, Second: absolutely zilch conservation ethic Third: a cheap "tool" to attract punters where exhibiting any other impressive crocodile species of conservation value would do wonders (instead of American alligators - albino ..., American crocodile Crocodylus acutus which is a threatened species in the US and Meso-Americas would do just fine).
 
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